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Linda,
 
I too have a Valencia ancestor on my mother's side.  Also I too am one
of that last generation of our culture that can understand Spanish although I am
not fluent in it.  I never had any children, but if I had, I guess they
would have married out of the culture as have just about all my nieces and
nephews, and so have lost their ethnicity and don't share our feelings for
things Mexican.  Maybe our ancestors feel this loss and are anxious for us
to get the history down and pass it on to those we leave behind.
 
Emilie Garcia
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Subject: [ranchos] Unsolved mystery

Thank you Emilie for talking about this subject. I find it

heartwarming that so many group members are willing to share
their
'extra' help in finding the records for our ancestors.  People
who
don't do genealogy find our passion for
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Weeweechu

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   I WISH YOU AND ALL THE GROUP A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! 



HOPE TO MEET YOU'ALL EITHER IN CALIFORNIA OR SALT LAKE CITY.



MICKEY GARCIA

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An Unsolved Mystery.

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Jos¨¦,

I admire your attitude and willingness to learn another language.  It's not easy and you are doing an excellent job.  I have not had a problem understanding your messages.  What comes across to me is that you are an educated person and have a lot to contribute.  The focus of this group is the exchange of genealogical data. With that thought in mind the important thing is to keep contributing in either language.  If you want to expand your knowledge of the English language in the process, then by all means continue to do so.  There are enough of us here who can help you with translations whenever you want.

Saludos desde California,

Maria Cortez


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> 
> Jos§Û Rom§Òn,
> 
> I agree your english is not perfect (neither is mine ask Marge 
> Vallazza), but I VERY VERY much agree that it takes tremedous courage to 
> jump into the middle of a primarily english speaking group and making an 
> effort like you are
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definition of "Rancho"

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thanks John,



I haven't heard anything from that website that I was hoping would put
us in contact with el señor Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez. I will
try to find someone that knows how to contact him. I wonder what
University he was associated with.



thanks again,



joseph



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Subject: Rancho
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:58:32 -0800
From: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...>
To: Joseph Puentes




Guess what? 
 I found the definition of "Rancho",
 kind of late, but I just thought you might find them intersting.
 
1.- This definition is by Francois
Cheavalier, who in 1976 wrote the book:  "La Formacion de Los Grandes
Latifundios en Mexico."
 
"Rancho designa una cabaña, un
abrigo mas o menos provisional, es el jacal o la majada que hacian los
pastores, a menudo trashumantes.  De este sentido primitivo,  el
término
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JGRL,
 
First, allow me to apologize for my Spanish as I try to communicate
this:
 
Aunque se como leer un poquito el espanol, no porque lo estudie, si no
porque siempre tuve interes en el idioma de mis anticedentes, se que hablo e
escribo/hablo como una persona no muy educada...
 
Even though I know how to read and write Spanish a
little bit, not because I studied it, but because I have always had an interest
in the language of my ancestors, I know that I don't write/speak as if I was
well educated.
 
En realidad, la mayoria de nosotros nos encontramos en Estados Unidos
porque nuestros padres tenian que venir por razones economicos.  Somos de
gente humilde.  Nuestros padres, aunque siempre hablaban espanol, no lo
hablaban con "educacion" de libros o de universidad.  Cuando leo lo que
escribes y como lo escribes, quisiera tener el mismo poder que tienes sobre el
idioma espanol. 
 
The reality is that the majority of us who are in the
United States are here because our
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Does anyone have any good Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes
Christmas stories? Please keep the discussion on topic and something to
do with "us." Just like this very on topic "chiste":



>>Subject:
FW: "Weeweechu"

>> 

>>One
beautiful December evening a Zacateano named Pedro and his girlfriend
Rosita were

>>sitting
by the side of the Pacific ocean. It was a romantic full moon, when

>>Pedro
said, "Hey, mamacita, let's play Weeweechu."

>> 

>>"Oh
no, not now, lets look at the moon" said Rosita.

>> 

>>"Oh,
c'mon baby, let's you and I play Weeweechu.

>>I
love you and it's the perfect time," Pedro begged.

>> 

>>"But
I wanna just hold your hand and watch the moon."

>> 

>>"Please,
corazoncito, just once, play Weeweechu with me."

>> 

>>Rosita
looked at Pedro and said, "OK, one time, we'll play Weeweechu."

>>Pedro
grabbed his guitar and they both sang.....

>> 

>> 
"Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, Weeweechu a Merry Christmas,

>>
(we wish you)                 (we wish
you)

>>  
"Weeweechu a
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Para ilustrar un punto, si ves la primera misiva que
escribí abajo en inglés, notaras una cantidad de errores en el párrafo. 
 
Hace añales que no escribo en español.  A pesar de
que hablo mas de una lengua muy a menudo "se me van las cuatro".  El inglés
no es mi idioma nativo pero es uno de los que "mascullo"  mas mal que
bién.  El bardo y yo nunca nos hemos llevado muy bién por cuestión de que
su lenguaje y el mio no concuerdan (ni siquiera me ha ayudado el hecho de que mi
esposo es de por alla de sus lares).
 
Ahhh, Will y yo siempre andamos "de la greña"  con
eso del habla. 
 
De cualquier manera, no estamos aqui para corregir el
lenguaje de nadie ni para criticar a nadie. Simplemente estamos aqui para
ayudarnos mutuamente a continuar nuestra genealogía.
 
Disculpa la disonancia de ésta pero aun no he tomado mi
café (trabajé hasta esta mañana y el engranaje cerebral aun no está lo
suficientemente lubricado como para comenzar el dia, mucho menos para ejercitar
el
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I have not checked my email in a very long time, but this email caught my
eye right away.  Lorenzo de Miramontes is my ancestor so I am interested if
it mentions any of his immediate family, as well as the family of his
brothers, sisters, and/or his parents and other children.  

How would you send such a document?  Would it be a computer file or the
actual copy of the original manuscript?  I will pay you good moneyyou?re
your trouble.  Please send it to my email address:

PacoHernandez73@...

I now use this address way more than my aol.com account.  Today when I
logged on I had 427 email messages. I'm not kidding.

If you require my snail mail address then I will make that available to you
if necessary.  I am very interested.

Sincerely, 
Steven F. Hernández



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Arturo Ramos
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tlaltenango Census

If
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Here is the translation of your "chiste" Jose.

The father of a wealthy family sends one of his older sons to the 
U.S. so that he could learn English.  The son went to one of the best 
schools in the country and after a while the father calls him and 
asks him, "So how is it going with your English?"  The son 
responds, "Gosh, Dad, I can't seem to learn English and I am 
forgetting my Spanish."  Then the Dad tells him anxiously, "Well you 
had better come back then son, lest you become a mute."

Agradecemos mucho que hagas el esfuerzo de escibirnos en ingles.  A 
mi me cuesta bastante escribir en espanol tambien, pero sigamos 
haciendolo como podamos y asi vamos mejorando, no...

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> To the great fellow Joseph:
>    
>   Thanks for your message.
>    
>   I hope not to say in my e-Mail messages an incorrect expression, 
but I know that my English is very bad. Any way I don't like offend 
to anybody, I don
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Hola Jose:

 

Me podrias mandar,  por favor, el
domicilio de tu correo electronico?

Gracias.

 



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José Román
González López


Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:10
AM

Subject: [ranchos] My bad usage of the
English language (I believe that Shakespeare reproved me).



Hola John:

 

Gracias por tu mensaje. De ninguna manera me siento mal por tus
correcciones,

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Jose Roman,
 
Por favor no dejes de comunicarte con el grupo, sea en ingles o en español. Creo que cada uno de nosotros tiene algo muy rico que ofrecer al grupo y a lo mejor yo soy una de esas personas que se pudiese quedar muda por tener mal ortografia en ambas lenguas. El objetivo no es escribir a la perfecion, sino el poder comunicarse uno acerca del tema del dia, sea el que sea.
 
Como te habia dicho antes, tienes buenos sentimientos y buenas opiniones de valor a lo del grupo y me agrada leer tus comentarios.
 
Sin mas una participante que corre el peligro de quedar muda porque a veces no sabe si va o viene...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
 
José Román González López wrote:
To the great fellow
Joseph:
 
Thanks for your message.
 
I hope not to say in my e-Mail messages an incorrect _expression_, but I know that my English is very bad. Any way I don't like offend to anybody, I don't use "offensive words", and my intention is other. In my house
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To the great fellow Joseph:
 
Thanks for your message.
 
I hope not to say in my e-Mail messages an incorrect _expression_, but I know that my English is very bad. Any way I don't like offend to anybody, I don't use "offensive words", and my intention is other. In my house, may mother did say me "te voy a quemar la boca" or "lavate esa bocota con jabón" when I, or my brothers and sisters said any bad word (maldiciones o groserías).
 
I understand the John message in the correct way, his comment benefit me, because is for my future corrections. I will effort more to write correct English, I promise you.
 
That you say of your experience learning English is very interesting. I relate you a funny account "chiste", I hope you can translate to the rest of the ranchos group:
 
En una familia adinerada, el padre envió a uno de sus hijos mayores
a Estados Unidos para que aprendiera bien el inglés, el hijo se fue a una de las mejores escuelas de allá, al poco tiempo el padre le habla
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Dear Elvira:
 
Thanks for your comprehension. I believe that I do the better that I can do, but I also believe that I should do a major effort. I use aN orthographic correction for my bad text in English language, but I know that its develop not is the best, the word processor don't do miracles.
 
I appreciate any comments of the rest of members of this EXCELLENT group, the ranchos group should write with BOLD and CAPITALS letters: RANCHOS GROUP.
 
My best regards for you.
 
JRGL.
Mexico City.

Elvira wrote:
The translations below - because of the way they are written and the way they sound, seem to
come from a web translator.  My translator translates that way.  of course I do better but what's below gets the meaning across.  I had no problem understanding it.  I rather admire the principal fact that JRGL is brave enough and puts out  the effort to communicate with us any way he can. 
 
Elvira
 
Do You Yahoo!?
La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo
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Hola John:
 
Gracias por tu mensaje. De ninguna manera me siento mal por tus correcciones, de hecho creo que es una de las formas que tengo de corregir mis errores (¿horrores?) por mi mismo. ¡Crecemos al corregir nuestros errores!
 
Casi siempre introduzco el texto primero con mi escaso conocimiento del idioma Inglés, luego le hago una rápida revisión yo mismo, al final antes de enviarlo, hago una corrección ortográfica por medio de un procesador de textos. Desafortunadamente en el lugar desde el cual envié el último "mssg" no hice lo anterior, por la premura del tiempo. Te prometo que en los mensajes siguientes pondré mayor cuidado.
 
Te deseo ¡éxito! en tus actividades cotidianas.
 
Atte:
 
JRGL.
Ciudad de México.
 
 
Hello
John:
 
Thanks for your message. Any way I don't feel bad for your corrections, in fact I believe that is a way of correct my errors (horrors?) for myself. We grow because we correct our errors.
 
Almost times I first typed the text with my very
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José Román,



I agree your english is not perfect (neither is mine ask Marge
Vallazza), but I VERY VERY much agree that it takes tremedous courage
to jump into the middle of a primarily english speaking group and
making an effort like you are doing. I don't make that effort in the
Spanish only groups that are available. I should but don't. My thanks
and encouragement go to you and I hope you continue to communicate with
the group. John Gonzalez is a great member of the group and has helped
me when I needed translation work. The message I send out when people
are applying for group membership was fine tuned and polished by John.
I said all that so you receive his commentary on your english in the
way I know he meant it. . .with the heart of a person that wants to
help.



I would like to help in anyway I can but my Spanish writing is worst
than my spoken Spanish and that means it's pretty bad. Hey you can ask
Marge Vallazza she knows that even my written English is bad as well. I
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Subject: Rancho
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:01:19 -0500 (EST)
From: MMG8938@...
To: makas@...






family="SANSSERIF" face="Arial" lang="0">Hello Group!



I looked at the pictures and they are great!  I wish I had been there!



Maybe next time!



Mickey Garcia


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The Salt Lake City Hispanic Conference will be on Saturday,
Oct 14, 2006.  So far I have 11 people who have expressed an interest in
going.  Mickey Garcia and I are planning to arrive in SLC on Sunday, Oct
8th and stay until the following Sunday, Oct 15th.....anyone who wants to go can
stay as long or as little as they want.....the room rate remains the same for
however number of days you stay. 
 
I wish
I could attend your next meeting in March 2006 but I have to be in Switzerland
for the arrival of my newest grandchild in April.  Mickey and I have
discussed going to one of your gatherings.......one thing about us....we are
always ready to go when it concerns genealogy!  :-)
 
I will
keep everyone posted on any information I receive on the SLC
trip.
 
Josie
in San Antonio
 
 

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Puentes
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The translations below - because of the way they are
written and the way they sound, seem to come from a web translator.  My
translator translates that way.  of course I do better but what's below
gets the meaning across.  I had no problem understanding it.  I rather
admire the principal fact that JRGL is brave
enough and puts out  the effort to communicate with us any way he
can. 
 
Elvira
 
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Mystery.

Estimado Jose:
 
Con todo respeto y admiracion lo felicíto
y  admiro su gran esfuerzo al tratar de
comunicarse con el grupo Ranchos en Inglés, pero lamentable y aparentemente,
comete varios errores.  Permitame que le traduzca al Español lo que usted
escribió en Inglés en su mensaje dirigido a Emilie.  Estoy seguro que al leer las correcciones, va a estar de
acuerdo en que  "eso no
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Estimado Jose:
 
Con todo respeto y admiracion lo felicíto y 
admiro su gran esfuerzo al tratar de
comunicarse con el grupo Ranchos en Inglés, pero lamentable y aparentemente,
comete varios errores.  Permitame que le traduzca al Español lo que usted
escribió en Inglés en su mensaje dirigido a Emilie.  Estoy seguro que al leer las correcciones, va a estar de
acuerdo en que  "eso no era lo que yo quería
decir" .
 
Dentro del grupo hay varios miembros que saben
leer en Español con diferente  grados de experiencia, pero tambien hay
muchos que no saben ni leer ni escribirlo, se comunican unicamente en
Inglés.
Por favor no valla a tomar éste comentario a mal,
es solo un comentario.  No deje de seguir practicando el Inglés, es muy
importante, lo que si le recomiendo es que haga un pequeño esfuerzo para
aprenderlo un poquito mejor.
 
Sinceramente, su amigo y compañero en la
Genealogia:
 
John Gonzalez (El Metiche)
Wildomar, California.
 
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Several members of the LDS church have shared some of the
same experiences with me while I'm at the FHC doing my own research.  They
believe that it is their job to bring their ancestors to their church. 
Maybe this influences their visions, dreams...
I do not dream about ancestors that I have not met,
nor do they contact me.  Being a chicken, I'm thankful. 
My passion for finding out about my ancestors I
believe comes from my parents and relatives talking about their ancestors:
 funny stories, exploits, etc.  
  My abuelito would also tell my older primo
Felipe to grab a pen and a notebook and jot down info. about his parents,
grandparents, etc.,  Felipe whom I haven't been in touch with for over
15 yrs., just put together a little velobound booklet on his parent's
ancestors.  Maybe he's working on both of us in a very subtle
way...
I would sit on my abuelito's lap too like Joseph, but I
would bite my lito's nose.  :)  This was
something only I got away with it too.  My
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readysetgo95814 wrote:



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes wrote:

> here is a picture of the Sacramento Ranchos Meet up. Not everyone
in the

> picture is a Ranchos Member but there were 8 members present:

> if any others of those attending want to do a write up of the
event

> would be great.

I drafted an agenda for our next meeting in
March 2006.  I can e-mail you that and if you think others would be
interested you can post it to the group.  Overall, I think it turned
out very well.  We had a good turnout and the group may grow.  I've had
others express an interest in attending the next meeting.

absolutely great. . .I only wish I could be close by so I could attend.
Please do get as many as possible to attend. Maybe you all could have
one later just a little further South so that more members could
attend. Or maybe the S. Cal members could get their own meet up going.



how many are going to SLC in 2006? what were the dates again?



thanks
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this is great and a great thread.



although I don't have dreams [well let me back off and say i don't have
dreams i remember, because I don't remember dreams very often] although
i don't have dreams i share the idea that "our relatives" are somehow
helping us. I guess that sounds funny to me as I say it since some part
of me wants to disagree and say I'm being foolish, but another part
believes it. Its almost like a game. With us finding the information
that is freely available and it seems that our relatives are giving us
ear to ear "sonrizas." and then at other times we are discovering the
families "dirty laundry" . . .secrets that had might have stayed hidden
for 200 years only to have us come along and air that laundry out in
Public. At times I feel more comfortable with my genealogy family than
I do with my live family. I gain comfort thinking of the times when I
was 5 and used to sit on my Abuelito Julio's lap and pull his mustache
(I was the only one he let do that). As I
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Thank you Emilie for talking about this subject. I find it 
heartwarming that so many group members are willing to share 
their 'extra' help in finding the records for our ancestors.  People 
who don't do genealogy find our passion for finding ancestors 
strange.  My sister said I am a genealogy addict, I told her I was 
just passionate about finding all those who got me here in this day 
and time.  There are times when I don't get much sleep because of 
dreams that ultimately open doors to more lines or names.

In doing records I find it's much easier to find the Spanish 
ancestors than the Indio or Mulato lines due to a lack of last names 
sometimes.  I found that my Espanol ancestor Guadalupe Mendez 
married a Mulato woman, Francisca Valencia in 1833.  Francisca 
haunted my dreams until I decided to pursue her lines. I took her 
Rolon ancestor back to about 1660 and found them in and out of 
slavery. I was proud when they were free in 1680 and inslaved again 
in 1715 with my "love
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Hi Emilie:
 
You are a good question.
 
The answer to your question is a mystery for to much, but must there is a correct respond. Who have the accurate answer?
 
The human knowledge is very short to respond some of our question. The live end when we dead?, or the life continue in other way no known for us? Is very interesting that the body of the men not is your life, because any man has a spirit, not is the life of that spirit indestructible? as the spirit of the men not dead, is possible that this spirit in the other world where still alive, need some of us?
 
You decide what is the accurate answer to your question?
 
Have a good day.
 
JRGL.
Mexico City.
 

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Several years ago, when I first started doing research on
my family, I was at the FHC library and a member of the LDS Church was helping
me get started.  I had already made several attempts at research by
myself  but could never get good results.....needless to say, I was getting
VERY frustrated!  In fact, I was ready to give up!   Then I
started having dreams about my ancestors and I did not even know them~~!! 
You can imagine how that felt!   When I told my friend at the FHC
library about my dreams she looked at me in (what I thought) was a strange
way......I asked her what was wrong and she said "nothing"...... Later, as I was
preparing to leave, she took me aside and explained to me that "she did not know
if I would understand what she was going to tell me, but that she would tell me
anyway."  This statement must have come because I told her that my dreams
sometimes scared me and I did not understand why I was dreaming about
people I did not even know......and this
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