Priciliano Cerro Godina

Yes, Leticia,
 
I also try all the known surnames that a person has been known to
use.  Step-mother or step-father's name, the mother's or the grand-mother's
maiden name, etc.  For example, my husband's great-great grandmother was
"hija natural de Ramona Ornelas".  Her son, Simon Garcia said her surname
was Gonzalez, which I think was her father or step-father, but mostly she used
Ornelas or De Leon in the baptism records for her children or for her marriage
record.  I don't know yet where she got the De Leon.
 
Other times I just use different spellings or leave off the "s" at the end
of a name, or change an "e" to an "I", etc.  When I use the IGI, I just
type in one very simple surname, like Serros or Cerros and do not check off the
"exact spelling", and it gives me all the different versions of that name: 
Del Cerro, Serro, Serros, Cerros, Cerro, so my fingers just fly over the
keyboard and I find myself using the "refine search" to get to the particular
state, then

Researcher for Zacatecas





zendean wrote:

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per month.

who are they contributing to? Are you saying this is a "going rate?"



Arturo says he is going to talk more to el señor Leonardo de La Torre.



Ed Serros was in communication with him before. Ed, how was your
experience?



joseph

 If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and locations then it would be possible for the searcher to do each line and make a good living. Do you agree ?  I wonder if this is a practicable suggestion. Arturo may be on to something and if it works out then a link will have been established that we all can follow. We would need to see the film documentation or it would be valueless.
I would like to hear your take on the matter as I think that this could blossom.

yes there is a good possibility. Let's see what Arturo says after he
talks to him more. We might need to wait

Researcher for Zacatecas

Joseph; With enough interested parties, $100 may not be necessary. I know a family that contributes $25 each to do their family line per month. If there was a coordinated effort to line up all parties/surnames and locations then it would be possible for the searcher to do each line and make a good living. Do you agree ?  I wonder if this is a practicable suggestion. Arturo may be on to something and if it works out then a link will have been established that we all can follow. We would need to see the film documentation or it would be valueless.
I would like to hear your take on the matter as I think that this could blossom.

Jose Luis Macias
decendant of Francisco Macias, of Jerez, Zacatecas

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Dec 4, 2005 11:46 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arturo Ramos 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo what do you suppose a figure would be for this monthly stipend? 
Are you thinking that

Priciliano Cerro Godina

You are correct.  Iam thinking,
California.  It is very unlikely that the local weatherman would mention
the Sierra Madre Oriental or Sierra Madre Occidental in Mexico.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:09
AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Priciliano Cerro
Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John
Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>

> I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo.

Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña
y
sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as the tool
the
carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the mountain
chain
because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one
Sierra
Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe
when I
hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit
the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that

Digest Number 685

Hi Maria,

Thank you for your interest.

I have a letter written by my mother in 1941-42 on La Sultana
letterhead. She and my dad, Ramon Romero, spent several months with
my dad's relatives in and around Guadalajara after their marriage in
Oct., 1941 and returning to the USA before May, 1942. They mainly
stayed on one or another of Adolfo's ranches. I've been told the
family (de la Torre) owned this chocolateria (or chocolate factory as
my mother called it). My mother wrote to her aunt in Minnesota on
this letterhead.


I am searching any clues I can find to reconnect me with my father's
family. It seems easier to find the dead that any living relatives.
I am hoping to trace the ownership of the chocolateria to someone
living who may remember my dad and have family information for me.


My Spanish is slim to none so my research is slow. I would
appreciate any information your family may have on this place or my
family. My pedigree is posted to ranchos.

Priciliano Cerro Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> 
> I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo. 
Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña y
sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as the tool the
carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the mountain chain
because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one Sierra
Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe when I
hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that there is only
one "Sierra" .

Right, John.  Unless they're referring to México's sierras.  ;-)

http://www.galeon.com/cumbres/Archivos/orografia.htm





Priciliano Cerro Godina

Hi Emilie:
 
Thank you for the information about "del Cerro".  
I always thought my mother's last name was "Cerros"  But it didn't take
long to find out that my grandfather's last name was "Cerro".
 
I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone,
or espinazo.  Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma,
cerro, montaña y sierra, degrees according to size.  Sierra means "saw" as
the tool the carpenters use.  The name  "sierra" was given to the
mountain chain because they resemble the teeth of a  saw. There is only one
Sierra Nevada, it was named for its snow covered peaks.  I just cringe when
I hear statements in the media such as:  "Great week-end to visit the
sierras"  TV people  (professionals?)  Should know that there is
only one "Sierra" .
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro
Godina

Well, John and Helyn

Hacienda de Santiago, Aguascalientes

This is the kind of question that Leonardo de la Torre Berumen could answer. My ancestress, Clara de los Reyes, married Francisco de Chaves Banuelos in Jerez around 1720 or 25. I have no other info on her at all. I wonder if she's related to Maria Josefa? Marge:)



On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:


Has anyone ever heard of this Hacienda de Santiago in Aguascalientes?   My husband's ggggg-grandmother, Maria Josefa de los Reyes Roman was born there in 1755.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---



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Ancestors in Jalisco, Aguascalientes and sacatecas

I am reviewing the information I have gathered on my husband's ancestors in
Jalisco, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.  I have traced mnost of his
ancestors to Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco.  I am wondering if anyone has
knowledge of the following places with the associated surnames:
 
In Jalisco:
 
 
        Canada de Agustin 
(Surnames Aguirre and Marin, Martines [Martin] and Duron)
 
        Ahualulco de Mercado
(Surnames Cervantes, Lopez)
 
        Amacueca   
(Surnames Fajardo, Cervantes)
 
        Teocaltiche and
Jalostotitalan  (Surnames Garcia, Calsada)
 
        Santa
Maria [Encarnacion de Diaz]   (Surnames Garcia, Ornelas, De Leon,
Morones, Gonzales)
 
        Lagos de Moreno  
(Surnames Garsia, Gonzs)
 
In Aguascalientes:
 
        Jesus Maria  
(Surnames Martines, Duron)
 
        Puerto del Magei
[Marquez?]   (surnames Duron Esparza, [de los] Reyes Roman)
 
        Pabellon [Hacienda de] and
San Jose de Garcia [Rincon de Romos]   (Surnames Duron, De Los Reyes,

Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo what do you suppose a figure would be for this monthly stipend?
Are you thinking that several of us that might be interested could
contribute to come up with this monthly stipend? Did you get an idea of
what he was talking about?



I wonder how many hours of research $100 would buy me? Well that is all
I'd be willing to contribute. I have a dead end in Zacatecas, Zacatecas
I need "advice" in knowing how to get around.



let me know if you think this would buy me something and if so I'll
send you 5 scanned records that will give you the information he will
need to do my preliminary investigation.



joseph







Arturo Ramos wrote:

I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will 
be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to Mexico.  He has 
proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly 
stipend.  I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and 
would be willing to "try him out".  His name is Leonardo de La Torre 
Berumen

Captain from Castile

Alicia says I write from the heart.  Well, I am emotional---high
strung, they say. 
 
This morning I awoke to the strains of "Conquest".  Some of you
younger ones know this tune as one played by the USC band at their games. 
Well, we elderly folk remember it from the movie "Captain from Castile", made
many decades ago and starring Cesar Romero as Cortez, and Tyrone Power as the
Captain from Castile. 
 
I followed the sound and found my husband in the den watching TV.  I
asked him if it was the USC band playing, and he said no, it was the
movie.  He always scans the TV schedule. and when he sees that that movie
will be screened, he makes sure to watch the last scenes.  They are very
stirring, since the score is played really loud.  Da-dum, da-da-da-dum-da
dum-da-dum-da da da da DUM! Da Dum!  The last scene shows the little
rag-tag coterie of Cortez once more on the march after they have conquered
the Aztecs.  The voice-over says "---many died, but many returned to Spain

Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo,
 
Oh, how I wish I could go with you to see that researcher.  My father
was related to both the De La Torres and Berumens and collaterally to the
Haros.  Maybe he could help me find records on my father and his
mother.  My husband is related to the De Leons in Jalisco.  Soon I
will be updating and posting my husband's tree, and I will send a link to it on
World Connect.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:06
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Researcher for
Zacatecas

Arturo, el señor De La Torre me parece sincero
porque coincidentemente conoci hace tiempo a una familia De Leon residentes en
Los Angeles, originarios de Huejucar y criados en Colotlan, donde nacieron sus
sobrinos y sobrinas que se dedican al magisterio y tienen buen prestigio en la
ciudad, un hermano y el papa se dedican al oficio de hacer huaraches,
sombreros de

Researcher for Zacatecas

Arturo, el señor De La Torre me parece sincero porque coincidentemente conoci hace tiempo a una familia De Leon residentes en Los Angeles, originarios de Huejucar y criados en Colotlan, donde nacieron sus sobrinos y sobrinas que se dedican al magisterio y tienen buen prestigio en la ciudad, un hermano y el papa se dedican al oficio de hacer huaraches, sombreros de charros, cintos pitillados, etc creo son dueños de una papeleria y un ciber centro. espero te sirva esta informacion, aunque mas bien te estoy refiriendo a los De Leon como personas honestas, aunque hasta la fecha no he encontrado que seamos parientes, hasta luego. Leticia Leon

Arturo Ramos escribió:
I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will
be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to
Mexico.  He has
proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly
stipend.  I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and
would be willing to "try him out".  His

Priciliano Cerro Godina

Emilie: just an idea: sometimes I  (you maybe already did) do the search using the second apelative of the person insted of the first one Leticia Leon

Emilie Garcia escribió:
Well, John and Helyn,
 
My father and his mother continue to elude me, but maybe they are helping me to help others.  Little voices just keep telling me to look in the state death records or in the IGI under different spellings.  I cannot recreate how I do it; it seems to be intuitive.  Now if I could only get that inspiration on my own elusive relatives.  By the way, John, you may be
on your way to finding the Cerros all the way back to Spain.  The original name was Del Cerro over there.  Doesn't "cerro" mean "mountain"?
 
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro Godina

John:
I agree with you about Emilie, she is one of the
Angels.
 
This year

Priciliano Cerro Godina

Well, John and Helyn,
 
My father and his mother continue to elude me, but maybe they are helping
me to help others.  Little voices just keep telling me to look in the state
death records or in the IGI under different spellings.  I cannot recreate
how I do it; it seems to be intuitive.  Now if I could only get that
inspiration on my own elusive relatives.  By the way, John, you may be on
your way to finding the Cerros all the way back to Spain.  The original
name was Del Cerro over there.  Doesn't "cerro" mean "mountain"?
 
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:23
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro
Godina

John:
I agree with you about Emilie, she is one of the
Angels.
 
This year, Emilie, broke through the ole adobe wall,
and cleared the way for my Robles line. I had been attempting to find
this line for about 8 years. Prior to the inception of the

Emilie Garcia and Sacaramento

While I don't tie into any of the family lines to most of these areas, Emilie's postings are some of the most inspirational. Emilie, you have a way of thinking and communicating that is charming and contagious. When you write I feel that you write from the heart and that you truly have a direct connection to the ancestors. I look forward to the day when we can meet face to face, just as we did in Sacramento yesterday.
 
Yesterday's meeting was magical, to come face to face with people who may or may not have common ancestors but have the same love of family, Mexico and it's traditions and the desire to assist others in their research. Traveling with Helyn was wonderful. I first met Helyn on-line via the ranchos group when she invited me to go to the Fremont FHC which is a considerable distance from my home. We have been seeing each other at the Fremont FHC since the spring and had met previously with Rich and Kitty Cortez and we met with Joseph and
his wife last August during their

Researcher for Zacatecas

I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will 
be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to Mexico.  He has 
proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly 
stipend.  I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and 
would be willing to "try him out".  His name is Leonardo de La Torre 
Berumen and he is the municipal archivist in Jerez.

From: leonardo de la torre [mailto:leon_torre@...] 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:21 PM
To: arturo_ramos@...
Subject: RE: Investigaciones Genealogicas

Señor Ramos si gusta nos vemos en Colotlàn, porque a
Zacatecas se hacen como 2 horas y media de distancia,
lo que le pediria si gusta que platiquemos largo y
tendido como decimos los mexicanos puedo quedarme allà
en hotel, no se con comida pasaje y hotel le parecen
unos 800 pesos en moneda mexicana, y ya si le interesa
el trabajo, puedo trabajarle a Usted por mensualidades
de 200 dolares para sacarle todo lo que le interese
sobre familias que

Ranchos Joseph....Man of the year!!!!

Joseph, I nominate you for man of the year for putting this group together. You have been the catalyst for many wonderful connections within the members
 
A few days prior to the meeting, just out of the blue, I sent an e-mail to Robert in Sacramento, asking if he knew the three people I had mentioned, with his same surname. Robert responded that the names were of his grandparents, and his aunt. Needless to say, I got "goose bumps" when I read his message.
 
Roberts grandparents, and my parents had been friends for many years,  but sadly, lost touch after the "war years". The third person in my inquiry, is his aunt, which we have now realized is Godmother to Robert, my sister, and me.
 
We had e-mails transmitting twice a day, then I realized that Roberts father is my sisters Godfather. Robert made arrangements for a second reunion of the day with his family.
Our Nina invited Alicia, and me for a reunion dinner, with her family including Roberts father, his uncle, and aunt

Priciliano Cerro Godina

John:
I agree with you about Emilie, she is one of the Angels.
 
This year, Emilie, broke through the ole adobe wall, and cleared the way for my Robles line. I had been attempting to find this line for about 8 years. Prior to the inception of the Rancho Group, Emilie also made assisted me with my Magallanas line...I second the motion.
Helyn

John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote:
Hi Emilie:
 
You are right!!! The Genealogy Gods are  still
with me and you must be one of their Angels!
If we had a prize or title "Researcher of the Year"  I would certainly nominate you for  it.  The things you do are  nothing short of AMAZING.!!!
 
That IS my grandfather from Pánuco, Zacatecas.  I knew it the instant I saw the last name  "Godina".
 
Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro Godina

 

Francisca Cerros Gonzalez

Hi Emilie:

 

RIGHT AGAIN!!!

 

That is my mother's record.

It looks like whoever gave the information (probably my
younger brother) got the year wrong. My father was born in 1906 and we always
knew that my mother was three years older than he.

 

Thank you.



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href="mailto:auntyemfaustus@...">Emilie Garcia


Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:06
PM

Subject: [ranchos] Francisca Cerros
Gonzalez



John,  could this be your mother?  The birth date is 1906, not
1903.  You could get a copy of this certificate and see who gave the info
to the mortuary.  You may recognize the name of a relative.  Isn't
Lodi in San Joaquin County?


Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

Priciliano Cerro Godina

Hi Emilie:

 

You are right!!! The Genealogy Gods are  still with
me and you must be one of their Angels!

If we had a prize or title "Researcher of the
Year"  I would certainly nominate you for  it.  The things you do
are  nothing short of AMAZING.!!!

 

That IS my grandfather from Pánuco,
Zacatecas.  I knew it the instant I saw the last name 
"Godina".

 

Thank you.



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----- Original Message -----


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href="mailto:auntyemfaustus@...">Emilie Garcia


Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:52
PM

Subject: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro
Godina


 


 

John,

 

Have you seen this entry in the Family Search IGI for a Prisciliano Cerro
Godina born in Panuco?  If this is yours, then the Gods are still with
you.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA
---

1550: Suave!!!

Hi Arturo:
 
 
Thank  you for the very useful
information. I'll be ordering the films in the very near future.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:39
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: 1550:
Suave!!!

There also appears to be films for the civil registry for
that year.

Registros civiles del municipio de Ciudad Garcia
1861-1920 
Authors  Ciudad Garcia (Zacatecas). Registro Civil
(Main Author)

Nacimientos 1903-1904  FHL INTL Film 1081921 


Registros parroquiales, 1648-1961
Authors Iglesia Catolica.
Inmaculada (Jerez, Zacatecas)

Bautismos 1899-1903  FHL INTL Film
439867 
Bautismos 1903-1907  FHL INTL Film 439868 





--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte

wrote:
>
> John:
> I've seen
Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to
> the early 1900s.  I
requested these records
> (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our
local LSD
> library. 

Francisca Cerros Gonzalez


John,  could this be your mother?  The birth date is 1906, not
1903.  You could get a copy of this certificate and see who gave the info
to the mortuary.  You may recognize the name of a relative.  Isn't
Lodi in San Joaquin County?


Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

California Death Index, 1940-1997 Record
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Name: GONZALEZ, FRANCISCA
C
Social Security #: 562789470
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1906
Birthplace: MEXICO
Death Date: 6 Nov 1992
Death Place: SAN JOAQUIN
Mother's Maiden Name: GONZALEZ
Father's Surname: CERROS