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Actually, you never lose any of your ancestor's
traits.  You are a composite of everyone that came
before you.  Yes, some traits are more predominate
than others.  I'm no exception; my brother's kids all
came out with blond hair and blue eyes while mine came
out with dark eyes and dark hair.  My brother is fair
and I'm dark (just like my grandmother).  In fact,
people use to ask if we were related.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California  

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> I really did not mean to spark anything, and Santo
> Toribio is my only
> claim to fame.  We genealogists are usually joked
> about always being
> related to someone famous.  He's about it so far,
> and my dad looks
> nothing like him.  When my parents visited Europe a
> few decades ago.
> They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his
> dark, curly hair
> and olive complexion.  It was a real shocker when I
> discovered that one
> of his grandmothers was even a Romo.  The
>

Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
of dark skin, just like in this country.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
 
--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Irma--
> 
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family

I agree with you Alicia...

My fathers' cousin Angel Ramirez, and his wife Katy,
gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny Ramirez.
The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5",
brown eyes, and long beautiful black hair. Her twin
brother growth was cut shot, just under 4 feet, green
eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took a
while to figure that one. No one thought they were
siblings. I believe many people do not understand what
they are really asking, assuming that it is just a
matter of people having similar physical appearance.
However, since physical appearance is influenced by
environmental factors, and not just genetics, people
can actually look very differently.

Jose Munoz

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son

I agree with you Alicia;

My father's cousin, and his wife, had a set of you
can't always tell by looking fraternal twins. The girl
grew up normal, tall, slim, brown eyes with long black
beatiful hair. The boy growth however was cut short,
height under four feet, green eyes, and  bright red
"carrot top" hair. They couldn't figure that one.

I feel some people do not understand what they are
really asking, assuming that it is just a matter of
having similar physical appearance. Sometimes physical
appearance is influenced by environmental factors and
not just genetics.



Jose Munoz


--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son who is very dark
> and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a daughter
> that is not so dark and has beautiful brown

You're welcome, Alicia...and I don't know about the ancestors of the couple I mentioned.  I simply wondered whether or not you know them.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo 
Sent: Nov 28, 2005 6:47 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

David,
 
Thanks for that information regarding the ''Ranchos Los Cuervos.'' That gives me something to go on until this Wednesday when I review the films that have just arrived at my Fremont FHC for the marriage of Prudencio de Olmos and Juana de Jauregui in Nochistlan Zac in the year 1857.
 
Unfortunately I don't know Bernie or Esther Olmos, do you know where their descendants came from?
 
Alicia Carrillo de San Jose Ca

"David P. Delgado"  wrote:
Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo

I don't see why not as the Cathedral is very close to where the 
meeting will be.  I'm just not sure how long the relics will be 
there.  I guess we can call the Cathedral prior to going.

Maria Uhlenburg

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> This coming Saturday is the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento, would 
it be possible to visit the church on Saturday? That would be sooo 
cool!
>  
> Alicia
> 
> "Maria E. Uhlenburg"  wrote:
> Irma,
> The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished 
and 
> from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested 
> some relics from Guadalajara.
> 
> This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess 
> there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested 
that 
> one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I 
guess 
> they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past 
> Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old

Irma--

 

No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have traced some of the Garcias who married into the Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My husband's gggg-grandfather

Irma,
The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and
from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested
some relics from Guadalajara.

This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess
there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that
one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I guess
they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past
Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.

Nena

Irma,
The Cathedral in down town Sacramento has just been refurbished and 
from what I understand some of Toribio Romo's ancestor's requested 
some relics from Guadalajara.

This is what my sister and aunt told me at Thanksgiving.  I guess 
there are a lot of Romo's here in Sacramento and they requested that 
one of his bones be sent from Guadalajara to  the Cathedral.  I guess 
they were supposed to have a mass for Santo Toribio Romo this past 
Sunday at the Cathedral and display some old relics.

Nena

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo 
Sent: Nov 27, 2005 8:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in

Don't assume anything.

Approximately, 14 years ago when I started my
genealogy research, I got a long list of all those
with the last name of Duarte from our local LDS
library, that dated back to 1496, from the state of
Zacatecas.  I assumed that I was not related to those
Duartes that were not from Jerez (that's where my
grandfather was born).  After about 10 years of
researching, I proved myself wrong, dead wrong---I
found out that I was related to over half of the early
Duartes from Zacatecas, and many of them were from
various different towns and ranches, other than Jerez!


This was not the first time that I assumed the I was
not related to an individual with the same last name
(Prieto), but later again, I proved myself wrong.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.


--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
> commonly seen in Romos
> even of today.  My aunt married a Romo, and many of
> my cousins have a
> striking ressemblance (mostly