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Hi all!  I just thought I'd write to ask who may be interested in a 
Southern California or maybe even a Central California meeting.  
Since I was so impressed with the Sacramento meeting, I would like 
to arrange something similar, since I'm sure there are many members 
who would like to meet in the Southern California region.

Please tell me the following:

1.  Do you prefer a meeting in the Los Angeles area or Central 
California, as someone suggested in a previous message, so that 
members in Northern California could meet us?

2.  Is January or February the best month for you?


If I can get ideas as to timing and interest, I can then offer 
choices.  

Thanks!

Rosalinda

I'm interested but I want to know how much it will cost. Marge:)



On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I don't know. . .i would say it depends on how the book is formatted. If its 6 volumes all bound together probably not but if its 6 separate maybe so. I'm sure more info will be come soon.



maybe direct your email to Francisco since he is in direct communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal



thanks,



joseph





John Gonzalez wrote:

Joseph:

 

I have just read the second mesage where I found out that the next edition of "Retoños"  will consist of six volumes.  I am wondering if it is going to be possible to purchase just the volume that covers the area, or family of interest,  without having to buy the other five?  Is it going to be a requirement to purchase the complete set?

 

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@...

We're planning on going to Los Altos in June or July
2006, and if the tour is for that time frame, I'm
interested.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

> Hi to all!
>  
> I am back home for a few days and am trying to catch
> up before I leave
> again!  I had written to a good friend of mine who
> is with the Coahuila
> archives.  Miguel Angel is the person who introduced
> me to Leonardo de la
> Torre Berumen in Jerez a couple of years ago.  I had
> written to Miguel Angel
> to ask him more about Sr. Leonardo and here is his
> response: ( My quick
> translation to English would be:)
>  
>  Berumen is in charge of the Archivo Municipal of
> Jerez and is a respectable
> person.  He is far from Los Altos de Jalisco, which
> is next to Zacatecas, he
> has to go on the highway and I do not know if he has
> the time....tell your
> friends (my Ranchos group) that I can get them
> information regarding Los
> Altos.  Here (in the archives) we

Same here.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Susana Leniski  wrote:

> Joseph:
> 
> Do you think the book covers Zacatecas? Or is just
> Jalisco?
> If the book covers parts of Zacatecas. I would like
> a copy. Please let me know how much it would  be.? 
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> susana leniski


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well you know how I am. So when you all have sorted things out a bit
more please give us a brief overview of who is related to who and how.

Shall we get go ahead and reserve the Mariachi's? Where is the
fiesta/baile going to be? You know we should not take it lightly when
various branches of a family have somehow lost each other for 100's of
years and suddenly now when no one remembers anyone in the other branch,
the branches find each other. its time to rejoice and be happy. Its like
finding a needle in a hay stack. . .it took two or more parties doing
very very hard and tedious genealogical research to make a very distant
connection and discover that the same blood the same DNA the same
familia is "common."

is someone going to make capidotada (Emilie)? or do we have to wait
until lent? how about some menudo. . .its almost New Years anyway we
don't only have it for New Years, we've gotten away from that and have
it whenever someone wants to make it. . .which normally

Muchisimas Gracias Francisco,

Voy a preguntar. quien quiere copias del libro. Se hoye que

Joseph,

I would like a copy.  If I can help with anything let me know.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> Francisco has been in communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal and 
has 
> received permission to make copies of the book and send them to one 
> location in the US where they would be distributed to the 
indivduals 
> interested. I'm understanding that he is talking about the current 
> edition and that there is due out an update but I am not sure when.
> 
> If he is talking about the current edition how many of you would be 
> interested in a photocopied copy? Let me know so we can get an idea 
of 
> how much interest there is.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
>

Francisco has been in communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal and has
received permission to make copies of the book and send them to one
location in the US where they would be distributed to the indivduals
interested. I'm understanding that he is talking about the current
edition and that there is due out an update but I am not sure when.

If he is talking about the current edition how many of you would be
interested in a photocopied copy? Let me know so we can get an idea of
how much interest there is.

thanks,

joseph

Susana
Like you, I have found films at FHL in SLC that were 'not what the
description said'.   One case was a film for Lagos de Moreno where the film
was only 'natural births' instead of as described as legitimate.  That was 6
years ago and it is still listed that way.   My sister and I have been
working on another film in Banamichi, Sonora, Mex and just where our
g-grandmother and g-aunt should have been, the film was totally faded, you
could only see slight pen scratches.  After many years of working with this
film, we thought to ask the window to please order another film since this
film was not readable.  They order it and it was in the next day and filed
in the 'overflow' section.  I took the old film back to the window
explaining that a better film was in the overflow section.  The LDS employee
said no problem, just file it in the regular section.  So I took a
post-a-note and attached it inside the box of the old film and noted that
there was a better copy in the overflow section

Francisco,

I'm unclear if you are saying you are authorized to make copies of the old edition or new edition to come. Please clarify. Thanks. Marge Vallazza:)

On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:10 AM, Francisco Martin wrote:

Hola Joseph:

 

Respecto a este libro, ya no esta disponible a la venta, ya que inclusive el mes pasado trate de conseguir unos con Mariano Gonzalez Leal, y me comento que ya ni el tiene. Pero esta por sacar una edicion nueva que consta de 5 tomos en los cuales viene mas amplia la informacion de la genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco.

 

Si gustan, el me autorizo a sacar copias, por si alguien desea, se los puedo volver a pedir y enviar un juego de copias alla y alguien de ustedes proporcionarlas a los demas integrantes del grupo.

 

Saludos

 

      Francisco Martin

 





Joseph Puentes wrote:

not sure where to purchase it and not sure its available via ILL but if you are close to any of these Universites you can see it there. Its also possible that one of the Ranchos

not sure where to purchase it and not sure its available via ILL but if you
are close to any of these Universites you can see it there. Its also possible that one of the Ranchos members owns the book as I've heard it mentioned often. I don't know for sure if anyone owns it but someone might know of purchasing info:


Location     Library     Code
CA    CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO

I would Like to maintain my membership past Jan.
31,2006

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Susana:

In addition to all of the missing films you mention, Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumen, the municipal archivist in Jerez tells me that most of 
the years for confirmations in the mid-1600s are also available and 
while these are not as comprehensive as the baptisms as children that 
die young, etc. were not confirmed, any children that survived and 
later got married and procreated would certainly be in there.

There are also a whole series of "hojas sueltas" from the old 
Franciscan Convent in Colotlan that were never filmed.  These are 
also from marriages, baptisms, burials in the mid-1600s.  Also would 
be great to break through these brick walls.

I am going to try to access the latter when I am down there next 
week.  I will inquire about getting to see the former.  Would be 
worthwhile to have them all filmed (and indexed).  Someone in the 
group mentioned that they had Benito Samuel Sanchez Garcia help them 
arrange filming of previously unfilmed records.

--- In ranchos

here is the link to Leticia Leon's family pictures:

http://mx.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/caleta58/album?.dir=/fb3f&.src=ph&.tok=phQuHFEBOdjJ0MS3

and here it the link to the above link within the Ranchos group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Photos_Members_001118313212/

joseph

ps: other members should consider putting a few choice photos on a site
like this and putting the link to those pictures in this folder in the
"links" area. What do you think?

Susana, thank you so much for posting so much wonderful work with 
documentation.  My 2 Caldera lines are from El Durazno, district of 
Jerez with the records showing some of thier children moving to Boca 
De San Pedro.  I did not have a parent/parents for Nicolas Caldera/ 
Leonor Rodarte in my files, I thank you for that. 
I have only taken my direct Caldera lines of Andres Caldera, abt 1720, 
wife, Catarina Gertrudis De La Cueva, abt 1730 and Joseph Antonio del 
Carmen/Carmel Caldera abt 1735, wife Ana de la Trinidad Garcia abt 
1730. Even though I think they are related I have not been able to 
prove it.. Even though the records all say Espanol for these Caldera's 
I'm always looking for Indio's too.
thank you again, what a wonderful addition you are to the Rancho's 
group.
Linda in Everett

I, too, am interested in hearing more about the Caldera and Carlos families
from Zacatecas. I have an assortment of Calderas from Zacatecas who went to
Durango. I have a grandma named Victoria Zavala-Carlos (H) Onofre
Aguilar-Hernandez who had Maria-del-Refugio "Cuca" Aguilar-Zavala from
Fresnillo. Also a grandma Maria-Anacleta "Cleta" Caldera married to
José-María(1) Garcia from Tepetongo.

I envision a hard time with the Calderas because I understand there were
about a dozen Miguel Calderas living about the same time, of which Don
Miguel Caldera was the only mestizo or Spaniard. All others were Indians who
had taken his name to honor him. All had a large number of children except
don Miguel. Regarding don Miguel: this is the book about him. It has been
translated into Spanish.

Capitán Mestizo: Miguel Caldera y la frontera norteña la pacificación de los
chichimecas (1548-1597) by Philip Wayne Powell
P. 18 mentions who his parents were (his mother was baptized, so