software

Carol,

I use PAF 5, which I downloaded from the Familysearch (the LDS 
website).  The product is free. You can't beat that!  This version 
follows the Microsoft standard interface.  So, if you are familiar 
with the use of Microsoft products, you will not have too hard of a 
time learning to use this product.  People become accustomed to the 
product they learn to use first, so each person will have a 
preference for one product over the other.  I reccomend this one 
because it is free, and I've been able to produce every kind of 
report I've ever had a need for.

All the files I have uploaded to this website have been produced 
using PAF 5.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "citicarol"  wrote:
> I just started researching my ancestors and would like some 
> recommendations on a software program that can help manage the 
names 
> and information.  I thought I would just start with my maternal 
> grandmother's side of the family from Ciudad Guzman in Jalisco but

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software

Hi Carol,

I had previously used a program called Generations.  I
have since switched to a free program which you can
download off of Ancestry.com . I have actually found
this program to be easier to utilize.  It has the
ability to create charts and a variety of other
reports.  Pretty awesome for being free!!  In my
opinion it would be the perfect program for the
beginnings of your genealogy.  

Good luck!!

Sincerely,

     -Esther Valencia

--- citicarol  wrote:
> I just started researching my ancestors and would
> like some 
> recommendations on a software program that can help
> manage the names 
> and information.  I thought I would just start with
> my maternal 
> grandmother's side of the family from Ciudad Guzman
> in Jalisco but 
> it is now turning into a bigger tree than I
> originally thought.  A 
> program that can be uploaded to this site would be
> helpful so that I 
> can publish the data.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carol Ramirez
> 
> 


__________________________

software

As for myself, I have always used Family Tree Maker, by Brøderbund.  While I cannot say anything about RootsMagic, I am quite familiar with Personal Ancestral File.  I have always found PAF cumbersome and awfully hard to manipulate in.  Even doing the simplest of commands is a mindboggling undertaking.  Sorry to any PAF fans out there, but I give it two thumbs down.   :(

 

I would like to familiarize myself with RootsMagic.  Sounds good.  While Family Tree Maker is great if you want to create custom made reports, single person descendancy charts, pedigree charts, family group sheets, and many other things, I do not have much freedom to arrange the items in a family group sheets in the precise order that I want.

 

Family Tree Maker also makes really nice picture pedigree charts.  I have been doing this for a while now, and it's really not hard to do at all.

 

Regards,

Steven H.

software

I use Personal Ancestral File.  I got it because it was only $6.  It 
gets the job done, so I haven't looked into any of the other programs.



software

I switched from Family Tree Maker to RootsMagic.  I prefer the 
charts available especially the Pedigree and Photo charts.

Gloria

Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia and Irma's San J uan de los La gos lines

    Irma -- Did we settle on a date to regroup for our
family tree meeting?
    Let me know!
 
    Deborah
-----Original Message-----
From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:19
PM
To: 'ranchos@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [ranchos]
Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia and Irma's San Juan de los La gos
lines

Yes,
I agree that this is an excellent vol. set.  Hopefully Stephen will
continue to keep us up to date as to when the newer ed. will become available
since he knows Dn. Mariano Gonzales-Leal.  I was able to fortunately
access (via Interlibrary Loan) both vols. 1 & 2 of the first ed., and the
information is incredible.  
Vol.
2 covers last names from A-Gomez-Portugal. 
 
Maybe Stephen could put in a word for me, and include my (5th Great
Grandfather) ancestor, Vicente-Ferrer Gomez, (Please see the following
VicenteGomez family tree) and not just Agustin, his brother in the newer
edition.  :) 

software

I am using Family Tree Maker.  It is one of the
biggest ones on the market.



--- citicarol  wrote:
> I just started researching my ancestors and would
> like some 
> recommendations on a software program that can help
> manage the names 
> and information.  I thought I would just start with
> my maternal 
> grandmother's side of the family from Ciudad Guzman
> in Jalisco but 
> it is now turning into a bigger tree than I
> originally thought.  A 
> program that can be uploaded to this site would be
> helpful so that I 
> can publish the data.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carol Ramirez
> 
> 


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Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia and Irma's San Juan de los La gos lines

Yes, I
agree that this is an excellent vol. set.  Hopefully Stephen will continue
to keep us up to date as to when the newer ed. will become available since he
knows Dn. Mariano Gonzales-Leal.  I was able to fortunately access (via
Interlibrary Loan) both vols. 1 & 2 of the first ed., and the information is
incredible.  
Vol.
2 covers last names from A-Gomez-Portugal. 
 
Maybe
Stephen could put in a word for me, and include my (5th Great Grandfather)
ancestor, Vicente-Ferrer Gomez, (Please see the following VicenteGomez family
tree) and not just Agustin, his brother in the newer edition. 
:) 
Hey,
Vicente & his wife, Maria-Cayetana Macias(-Valadez) left a large number of
descendants in the Jalostotitlan area. 
 
Okay,
maybe just mention that Agustin had a brother, Vicente-Ferrer Gomez. 
Pg.466, under Segunda Linea of the second volume.  
:)
 
               
To quote my dad, "Nosotros los Gomez, no seriamos de mucho dinero, pero si
de orgullo".     
 
I have

software

I just started researching my ancestors and would like some 
recommendations on a software program that can help manage the names 
and information.  I thought I would just start with my maternal 
grandmother's side of the family from Ciudad Guzman in Jalisco but 
it is now turning into a bigger tree than I originally thought.  A 
program that can be uploaded to this site would be helpful so that I 
can publish the data.

Thanks,

Carol Ramirez


SHHAR Meeting





this was taken from the Somos Primos Online Newsletter
[http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2004/spjan04/spjan04.htm]:



If this is the year you have decided to start your personal family
history,

start the year out right by attending SHHAR's first meeting of the
year.  



No cost to attend and no membership fees.



The Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research

 invites you to learn how to seek out your ancestors on the internet.

Get excited about your history.



January 31st, Saturday,9 am-12 noon

Quarterly Meeting of the

Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research

Orange Family History Center

674 S. Yorba

Orange, California



 9:00 - 10:00:  

              Beginners, Hands on Computer Family History Research

              Regional Small group sharing, come meet your cousins

              

10:00- 10:30:  

              Introductions, announcements, networking break



10:30- 11:15   Judge Fredrick Aguirre

                       How Mendez vs Westminster School

My Nina is an ALTEÑA, and so are my Mamá, Abuelita, y Tías.

In a message dated 12/29/2003 8:09:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, makas@nc.rr.com writes:

I just got off the phone and it turns out that my Nina who married my
Nino, Jose Refugio Puentes, is an Alteño. If anyone comes across any of
these names from San Miguel el Alto please let me know.

Actually the descriptive adjective or term for anything or anyone from Los Altos de Jalisco would be Alteño, if they were male/masculine, and Alteña, if they were female/feminine.  So Joseph, your Nina would be an Alteña, unless she found a way to switch gender.
 
And in response to the question, where is Los Altos and what's so special or different about it, here's a map to show what area we're talking about:
 
 

Digest Number 204

Dear Group--

My husband and I spent 10 days in Jalisco in December.
 We went a few times to the city of Atotonilco el Alto
but spent most of the time with our cousins in the
nearby villages of Margaritas, Santa Elena, San
Joaquin, and Milpillas.  There is another place in
Jalisco called Atotonilco el Bajo so I always make
sure to say the complete name of the first city
mentioned.

My niece and I went two different days to view the
local cemeteries.  The first was the old cemetery in
Atotonilco el Alto.  A few years ago there was a flood
and it destroyed some of the plots.  Where before the
dates could go back hundreds of years, that is not the
case today.  Next trip I will check the new cemetery
of Atotonilco el Alto and see what I can find.

We also went to the cemetery near Margaritas which
among others, serves the people of Margaritas, San
Joaquin and Santa Elena.  It wasn't for me but I was
looking for the name of Borunda for a contact of mine.
 I found lots.  We went on a day of

Teul Zacatecas

Is anyone doing any research of Teul Zacatecas records?  I am 
specifically interested in Antonio Castro, son of José Guadalupe 
Castro and Cenobia Rivera.  Antonio would've been born in the early 
1900's or late 1890's.

Maria


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Batch #'s for San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco

Bautismos

        Batch #         Year Range	 Film #
 	C603291   	1769 - 1794   	0279422  
 	K603292   	1794 - 1805   	0279423
 	J603292   	1794 - 1805   	0279423  
 	C603293   	1805 - 1821   	0279424 
 	C603294   	1821 - 1832   	0279425  
 	C603295   	1832 - 1838   	0279426  
 	C603296   	1838 - 1855   	0279427  
 	C603297   	1855 - 1862   	0279428  
 	J603298   	1862 - 1870   	0279429  
 	K603298   	1862 - 1870   	0279429 
 	C603299   	1870 - 1875   	0279430  

 	C603301   	1845 - 1875   	0279449 [hijos naturales]

Matrimonios

        Batch #         Year Range	 Film #
 	M603302   	1788 - 1798   	0279452
	[gap]
	M603302  	1832 - 1852  	0279452  
 	M603303   	1852 - 1870   	0279453  
 	M603304   	1870 - 1885   	0279454 


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My Nina is an Alteño


I just got off the phone and it turns out that my Nina who married my
Nino, Jose Refugio Puentes, is an Alteño. If anyone comes across any of
these names from San Miguel el Alto please let me know.


Estanislao Marquez (dob: 1857) married Teodora Jimenez and had a Mateo
Marquez who later married a Juana Peragon who was born in Spain.


Yes I realize this is not much to go on but if it rings a bell let me know.

Joseph

ps: she mentioned misc. stuff like another cousin of mine who is from
San Juan de los Lagos was a De Anda.


pps: Is San Miguel el Alto the only Pueblo/Rancho in Los Altos area that
has "el Alto" in its name? My Nina said, "my grandparents were from 'el
Alto' and it seems that i remember 'San Miguel el Alto' " but then she
was talking about San Juan de los Lagos so I didn't get a 100%
confirmation on San Miguel el Alto only a "pretty sure." She did go on
to say that when her grandmother died that her grandfather went to San
Juan de los Lagos and 6 months

Los Altos De Jalisco: Message Search

do a message search on the name Steven Hernandez. One of his early
messages explained this geographical area of Jalisco well.



happy new year.



joseph



nvmesparz wrote:

what is Los Altos de Jalisco about?



ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

There
are 5 messages in this issue.



Topics in this digest:



1. New File downloaded on 11-30-03

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

2. Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

3. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Ortiz, Deborah"

4. Re: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Maria/Mark Uhlenburg"

5. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Ortiz, Deborah"





________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________



Message: 1

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:39:32 -0000

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

Subject: New File d! ownloaded on 11-30-03



Please see the new file

Digest Number 199

what is Los Altos de Jalisco about?

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New File downloaded on 11-30-03
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
2. Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
3. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Ortiz, Deborah"
4. Re: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Maria/Mark Uhlenburg"
5. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Ortiz, Deborah"


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:39:32 -0000
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
Subject: New File downloaded
on 11-30-03

Please see the new file Steven has sent me dated 11-30-03.

Working together is definately the key to unlocking more knowledge.
As, some of us have more years of knowledge regarding "Genealogy
Research" it is great to share our resources.

Steven, has been

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Familia Garnica de Arandas, Jalisco

Merry Christmas everyone,
 
I had sent Joseph the cover and table of contents of Mariano González Leal's book "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" a long while back.  The scanned cover and info should be in a special section of the Ranchos newsgroup webpage.
 
Also, in regard to a message someone posted yesterday about the Garnica surname of Arandas, Jalisco, anyone out there who also has the same branch should be quite happy to know that I also have that same line.  As I have mentioned on more than one occasion, I have done more Arandas (and Ayo el Chico) research than any other town in Los Altos put together.  My Garnica line can be seen in the 4th pedigree chart I submitted of my ancestry. 
 
Since I discovered my Garnica connection when reached this point of my research several years back, I have been investigating them tenaciously.  Many years ago I discovered the marriage of don Nicolás Antonio de Castro y Garnica with María Antonia Rizo, dated 29 February 1756, in the