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help with translation of document

Hello everyone, 

I'm hoping someone can help me translate what this document says. It's about Francisco de Covarrubias married to Isabel de Rodas. I can figure out a couple of things but was hoping someone with more experience could help me figure out what some of the words say. I attached the document. thank you!

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Here you go: 

Francisco de Cobarrubias vecino destas minas parezco ante vuestra merced y digo que por informaciones y recaudos bastantes que en mi poder tengo tengo probado y averiguado ser como en efecto soy natural de la villa de cobarrubias en los Reinos de españa que es en la diocesis y obispado de burgos y hijo legitimo de martin de navarrete y de ysabel hernandez de logroño su legitima muger mis padres y de como fueron casados legitimamente segun orden de la santa madre yglesia de Roma y que durante este matrimonio ubieron por sus hijos legitimos a mi el dho francisco de cobarrubias y a pedro navarrete mi hermano

I, Francisco de Covarrubias, a resident of these mines, appear before your grace and I say that by sufficient information and records that I have in my possession, I have proven and ascertained that I am, as a matter of fact, a native of the town of Covarrubias in the Kingdoms of Spain, which is in the diocese and bishopric of Burgos, and the legitimate son of Martin de

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He says that he is from the town of Covarrubias in the kingdoms of Spain, that’s in the diocese and bishopric of Burgos; he is the legitimate son of Martin de Navarrete and of Isabel Hernandez de Logroño, who, during their marriage, gave birth to him and to his brother, Pedro Navarrete. In the second image, he says he’s married to Isabel de Rodas, daughter of Francisco Solano Calderon and Francisca Jimenez Altamirano, residents of Garciaz, tierra de Trujillo, in the kingdoms of Castilla (Garciaz, Caceres, Extremadura).

 

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Thank you, Manny. I'm trying to get the actual spanish words of the document. For example, I see that it starts with "El señor Francisco de Covarrubias de estas minas" and then I don't know what it says after until it gets to "natural de la villa de Covarrubias" and then I don't know what it says again until it gets to "hijo legitimo de Martin de Navarrete y de Isabel Hernandez de Logroño su legitima mujer mis padres y de como fueron casados ligitimamente de la madre iglesia".thanks again for the help !

Esparza research update?

I posted a comment on the previous topic "Lope Ruiz de Esparza 'el menor' is the 3rd cousin to St. Francisco Javier de Jasso," but since it was from 2016, I'm creating a new topic. I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos with hopes of finding more about the Esparza family that originated in Pamplona, Spain, among other challenges. I ran into Nuestros Ranchos while searching for documentation that verifies what is posted on Family Search. Does someone know whether the book mentioned by Rick A. Ricci in the previous topic has been published. If nothing else, the posts here have given me new resources to investigate. I'm happy to share anything new that I might discover, but there's so much here, I don't know whether I'll find more than what's already been shared.  

My tree created using Family Search is in my folder is at  https://nuestrosranchos.org/lambchop48, but the names and dates, especially in the Esparza branch, change each time I look because of updates and merges completed, often

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Thanks Rick. I wish your book was published, so I'd have a more accurate understanding of the Ruiz De Esparza generations. I must have a duplicate Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici) attached to my tree. I need to locate the correct one! It would be helpful if you could give me the Family Search ID number of that record. Having that might, also, answer other questions. I'm thinking that there may be an extra generation of Lope Ruíz De Esparza on my tree, as it stands.

I read on a post from Nuestros Ranchos that Lope Ruíz De Esparza was NOT married to Ana Maria Diaz de Equino, although they did have a natural son who was the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593. Was he also married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat, or is Family Search correct that the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was the father of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593 was the son of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat? From references I read, it seems he's

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The men in Lope Ruiz de Esparza were much older for many generations and that is why it seems that someone is missing in the lines, but that isn’t so.  The proof is in the legal documents that were left regarding inheritances and transfers of property.    What I put in my post is accurate except for the part about the captain Andres being his brother.  Capitan Andres was not a brother, not even a first cousin.   He was a relative from another town not too far. 

I repeat that there is not an extra generation!

The lineage that I provide is based on research and not made up.   The mistake is in the familysearch line where they don’t have the mother as Maria Espinoza.  

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you, Rick, for confirming my suspicion that there was NOT an extra generation of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. I'm gathering the documentation to support the merge and changes I need to do in Family Search in order to correct this error and, if it's not too much trouble, have a few additional questions.

  1. You mentioned that Family Search had posted Martin's third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Either that has been corrected, or the Martin Ruiz De Esparza Huichi LRS8-DZ4 that I have on my family tree is a different record. This record shows Martin's two wives; Augustina Landeros GQ7N-XSW and  Maria Espinoza G36H-DWH b. 1490. Lope Ruiz de Esparza Espinoza GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 is the son of Martin and Maria Espinoza. Other children include Isabel, Pedro and Maria. Is this correct?
     
  2. Am I correct that Lope Ruiz Esparza (Espinosa) GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 had two wives; Maria de Caparroso Cruzat GBCP-4HH b.1533 & Isabel De Azcarraga y Leache GBZ9-XKX and a relationship with Ana Maria Diaz de
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Hello Dana and welcome to nuestrosranchos,


The answer is that my book isn’t published yet.  And the answer to your other question about the Ruiz de Esparza ancestry on familysearch is that most of what they put is straight out of what I wrote here.  But they have a big mistake as they put a wrong wife in The lineage.   The wifes are the ones that I have posted here on nuestrosranchos.

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

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3). Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici), señor del palacio de Esparza (Galar), vecino de Pamplona and Maria de Espinosa (Spinosa) are the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza.   On familysearch I see that they wrongly post Martins third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza  Sr.  The mistake that I had put in my previous post was when I added Mariano Gonzalez Leal’s mistake that Capitan Andres Ruiz de Esparza (b.1542) was a brother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Jr.   He is related but  not a brother. 

Rick A. Ricci

New Member - Rubalcava, Esparza

Hello! My name is Dana and I’m looking forward to learning more, and helping others to learn more about their ancestors. Back in the 1980s I learned how to create a genealogy chart when I took a Cultural Anthropology course in college. That started me on my genealogy research journey. The first step was adding extended family. There was no Internet, or simple way to gather the information, so I started the old- fashioned way by writing for copies of vital records, like birth, death and marriage and contacting family members. I especially focused on the older generations who I knew may not be with us for long. They shared treasured stories and photos.

Over the years I expanded my family tree, but I wanted to know more than just the names and dates. My goal was, and is, to understand the historical context of the locations and gain insight into the culture and migration of my ancestors from Spain, to Mexico, Arizona and Southern California where I was born. Internet opened the realm of

Help with XIX century mystery Jalisco

According to the informacion matrimonial of my ancestor Emeterio Ramirez who got married in Michoacan in 1858 he was 38 during that time and was from Teocaltiche Jalisco. It also says his parents were Santiago Ramirez and Rafaela Ponce but after reading other documents I think his father was actually called Santos Ramirez. 

Most of the files from that era and place including surrounding areas in Jalisco are indexed but I actually checked them anyway and found nothing. Apparently the family moved to Michoacan at some point but the only one who returned or remained there was his sister Josefa Ramirez who married Juan Gomez in 1847 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco. 

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong in my research, I dont have experience with this region so I would like to read other opinions on this brickwall. 

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https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8BQ-DY4

I looked around saw this...  

I suspect that "Santos" and "Santiago" are the same person.  You will note that many Mexican documents use alterations and nicknames for the original name.  Preponderance of information indicates that for the children being born and married that mention these names is the he is one and the same. 

JALOSTOTITLÁN PADRONES

Hola a todos,

Perhaps some of you already know of this, in which case it’s old news, but for some time, FamilySearch has made available access to the padrones of Jalostotitlán, beginning in 1650 (of which those of the 17th century are handily transcribed and published in a series of books by Sergio Gutiérrez, which I highly recommend):

1650-1837 Jalostotitlán padrones: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-WSZH?i=0&cat=2302…

And I just noticed the other day that they have finally uploaded the padrones of 1649 and 1689:

1649 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-27CL-ZCFL?view=explore…

1689 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-57C2-XSQP-H?view=explo…

While the rest of these padrones have been available, the 1689 padrón is new to me. This has helped bridge that gap between 1679 and the 1700s - an entire generation!

I hope you find these

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Thanks, Glenn. Actually, there are several more padrones that are newly uploaded, filling in the gaps throughout the 18th & 19th centuries. Hopefully this search results will work here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/records/images/search-results?startDateAvailable=2025-02-15&place=218&page=1

I'm finding more descendants for some of my families in Juan de los Lagos - even another probable daughter of Don Diego Magdaleno cc Mariana de Aguirre: Rosa Maria de Ovalle y Aguirre, who was married to Salvador Ramires, appears living on Puesto de los Aguirres in 1731: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-17C2-KSN7?view=explore…

In the 1689 Padron, living in Don Diego's household was a Rosa Magdaleno-doncella: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-P7C2-Q387-W?view=explo…

Saludos!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Manny,

Thank you for sharing!

The 1649 padrón also contains assorted maps on the last few images. My guess is that they are from the 1980s.

  • Imagen 26 - Mapa del Sistema La Zurda-Calderón, un proyecto de abastecimiento de agua para la Zona Metropolitana de Guadalajara (después de 1980)
  • Imagen 27 - Mapa de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco (sin fecha)
  • Imagen 28 - Índice del mapa de Jalostotitlán (sin fecha)
  • Imagen 29 - Mapa del municipio de San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco (sin fecha)
  • Imagen 30 - Mapa de Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, (sin fecha)
  • Imagen 31- Mapa de San Miguel el Alto (sin fecha)

Padrones adicionales de Jalostotitlán:

Rosas last name

Hi Community and thank you very much for accepting me, I've been investigating several years regarding the last name Rosas which is a very common last name in San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco.

 

I was able to track my Ancestor Domingo de Roxas which was married to Joana Berrinches and had a son called Domingo Gregorio de Rosas which is also my direct ancestor, Domingo Gregorio was born 1728 in "Cañada de Botas" in Cocula, what I'm trying to know if is the Ancestor Domingo de Roxas was the same that was born in Guadalajara son of Nicolas de Rosas Gonzalez Romero and Ysabel Guzman Paz, since I have not found any marriage certificate from Domingo de Roxas and Joana Berrinches in Cocula, and I reviewed a lot of documents.

If you have something regarding this or if you could point me in the right direction I'll appreciate, or if you are also investigating Rosas I could add to your research

Thanks in advance!

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I’ve been researching the Rosas of Valladolid>Guadalajara for about a dozen years. I descend from Nicolas de Rosas & Isabel de Guzman, through their son Carlos de Rosas. And while Nicolas and Isabel did baptize a son named Domingo in 1668, I’ve been unable to determine whether he is the same who married Juana Berrinches Ramirez. The last record I have of Domingo de Rosas Guzman is when he and his sister Isabel were godparents for a cousin’s child on 9 Apr 1697 in Ocotlan. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5R4-3?i=417&wc=3J6F-7…

He is probably the same person - if not, then your Domingo de Rosas might be the son of Nicolas’ brother, Juan de Rosas, who married Juana de la Mora Zamora on 27 Aug 1656 in Ocotlan: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G55W-J?i=151&wc=3J6F-7…
Though I have no record of them having a son named Domingo, it’s possible.

Good luck, let us know if you find anything.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Introduction / help with Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco

Introduction / Any help with  Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco. is appreciated!

Hi. I am Miguel and am honored to be able to participate in this amazing community.  Thank you Joseph! and Primos.

I’ve been working on a project for my wife for 8 months now on building her family three, but I’ve halted for 3 months on María Merced González (de Hermosillo Perez-Franco) / María (de la) Merced (Cleofás Micaela del Sacramento) González (Pérez)

She is reported on “Familias novohispanas. Un sistema de redes” and ancestry.com as Daughter to Rafael González de Hermosillo Zermeño and Mariana Josefa Pérez-Franco Prido  

However, I’ve not been able to match Rafael/Josefa

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Miguel,

I also noticed you were looking for info out of the book: Los Torres de Jaén en México:
raíces, tronco y ramas de una estirpe milenaria
Gonzalo Torres Martínez
Editorial Jus, 1975 - Jaén (Spain) - 764 pages

Welcome to the club. I am also interested in the sources that this book may list.

The closest hard copy of the book for me is in the large LDS genealogy library in Salt Lake
City, Utah. There may be another library closer to you, as I live in Arizona.

I too am interested in this book, as it is my only source reference to the marriage date of
Bernabe Felipe de Torres and Ana "Anna" Zermeno. The book states they were married on 1 May
1739 in Lagos de Moreno.  I have yet to find this in typical online Lagos and surrounding
parish records. I do believe the date of the marriage is correct, because I do have the 1739
marriage informacion record via the Arquidiocesis de Morelia at the following link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-BKYL-M?cc=1883388

I am currently using the 1 May

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Hi Miguel,
Welcome to the Nuestros Ranchos site!.  I am one of 6 co-admins for the site, helping maintain the site "behind the scenes". This allows the great
folks that have ran this site for the last 20 years to operate the site. I really have not posted much on this site, since most of the relations of the
family of my wife are North of Jalisco, with the exception of some older Renteria and Reynoso families who I have researched over the years.
Several years ago my grand-son married into the Zermeno family, and hence my interest in this thread with your Merced Gonzales and Blas
Soto (mayor). The connection is distant, with the common ancestor being Antonio Tadeo Zermeno, baptized 25 Novemeber 1722 in Lagos. 
Ysidro Gonzales de Hermosillo married Maria Gertrudis Zermeno on 13 January 1766 in Lagos.  I have not researched this portion the family
much at all, since the connection is very distant, but Jose Rafael Gonzales de Hermosillo was one of their children, baptized in Lagos on
24 Sep 1776

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Dear Lee, 

After a week of traveling, last night I logged on and took a peek at the documment and my heart went over the moon. I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude. Your support and kindness have made a significant difference, and I truly appreciate it Thank you. 

Miguel

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Hi Miguel,

I took a look and if I understand right the issue is you know Maria Merced Gonzalez and Blas Soto are your ancestors but you cannot determine with certainty who Maria Merced's parents are.

If that's the case, I see the tough spot. She died in 1860, prior to civil registration, and the death record does not list her parents.

I would try to locate her marriage record. Have you collected baptismal records for the couples children? 

Alex

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Thank you Alex. Correct. 

I have baptismal records for the couples' children (Vidala, Pedro and Agueda). All of them only cite one last name (gonzalez), reduce the last name (sotomayor to soto) and do not include grandparents! 

I have not been able to locate the marriage record. I would have happened between 1808 and 1821 (originally from los lagos but seem to have emigrated nearby to piedra gorda). It seems the family took a toll in those years when the gonzalez hermosillo was about fighting. 

Thank you!

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I found the baptismal records and see there are no grandparents. Why do you place latest time for marriage as 1821? Vidala was baptized in Leon in Sept 1840, so latest for marriage was likely Jan 1840. Since the marriage isnt found in Lagos, I suspect it was in Leon late 1830s. Unfortunately the marriage and IM records for this period are not available. When I'm in this situation, I scour all dispensas with relevant last names (so Soto, Sotomayor etc) for hints. They would be available hopefully at some point on https://www.valladoliddispensas.com/ but they aren't into this era yet. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Ongoing search for ORNELAS Orgin.

Hello all.
Been a few years since I last posted here, and glad to see the site is still strong.
Some kind person, whose name I stupidly forgot helped me trace my ancestry a ways back and now I suspect that our origin may have been José "Jusepe" de Ornelas,  In San Juan De Los Lagos, and that his father or grandfather may have been Álvaro de Ornelas y Perestrello, born 1561, in Caniço, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal,  and that his father was João Alvaro De Ornelas E Vasconcelos, born 1538, and that our entire family line begins in Santa María de los Lagos, Intendencia de Guadalajara, Reino de Nueva Galicia, New Spain.
Anyone with better information or who can help  figure out where our name Came from originally  (I believe it cams from Santa Comba De Fornelas, Puebla del Brollón, provincia de Lugo, Galicia, (Spain)  or its  etymology, (I have three separate theories) please feel free to contact me!
Thanks!
Piero Ornelas. Hijo De Raphael. 

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If you follow that tree backward you find yourself here:

ferando eanes de ornelas nacido en ~1200.... looks like these folks were from Amares, Braga, Portugal..... that is if it is the correct individual but there is already a tree created.

IF that is correct then it just may have been created as a name for the place he was from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornelas_(Amares)

https://gw.geneanet.org/serch1992?lang=es&n=de+ornelas&p=fernando+eanes

 

 

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Do you have this info?  I think these are the folks you are asking about.   If not you can find it here:  https://es.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=de+Ornelas+y+Perestre…Álvaro+&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10

Image removed.  Alvaro de Ornelas Y Perestrello

  • Nacido en 1561 - Canico, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal
  • Fallecido en 1614 - Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México, a la edad de 53 años

 Padres

 Casamiento(s) y/e  hijo(s)

 Hermanos

The mtDNA of Josefa Diaz marrried with Miguel Diaz Montañez

Hey all,  

It has been some time since I have posted. I recently asked a granddaughter of my great-great grandfather Antonio Lopez’s sister who is direct living female descendant of Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez (son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diez).  

A bit of background, according to a tree online, Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez wed on April 7, 1641, en Pinos, Zac, Reino de Nueva Galicia. I do not think I have their marriage document. Perhaps her parents are shown on their marriage doc? 

Josefa Diaz is of significant importance to me because not only do I descend from her on this line, but I am also a descendant of her on eleven other lines.  

To this day I have not found a primary source that shows who her parents are. Armando Antunano, Sanchiz Family Tree and Family Search Tree has her as daughter of Juan Diaz de la Huerta and Isabel Martin de Sotomayor. This would make Josefa Diaz granddaughter of Maria de las Ruelas. I am wondering how this was concluded. Or if

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Hola Roberto,

I already shared this information with you via texting, but I thought I’d also share it with the group.

The marriage and veiling records of Miguel Díaz Montanés and Josefa Díaz do not name their parents, though both ceremonies took place on Juan Montanés’ paraje de Los Ojuelos, and he was named as a witness of the veiling.

There are two dispensas that reveal that Josefa Díaz was the daughter of Isabel Marín de las Ruelas:

1. Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y Mayorga cc Juana Cayetana de Villalobos:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SD-QN?i=338&cc=18745…

They were at 4º con 3º grado consanguinidad, the relationship looking like this:

Tronco: Andrés Martín Barriga cc María de las Ruelas
Isabel Marín-1-Andrés Martín Camacho
Josefa Díaz-2-Andrés Martín
Ángela Díaz-3-Andrés Martín
Juana Cayetana Villalobos-4-

2. Nicolás Gómez García cc Catalina de Rubalcava: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X4NK-N?cc=1874591&wc=3…

They were at 3º con 4º grado