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I do not think there was a requirement to baptize within a certain number of days, but rather an expectation or custom. A consideration was that many babies did not survive, so if born alive, it was rather important for them to be baptized soon. Typically, baptism was within a few days of the birth. In some places and some periods, 2-3 weeks was customary; but the shorter time period was much more common. However, I have seen baptisms a month or more after the birth, as well as on the day the baby was born.

In today's Church, a person typically needs permission of the priest of the parish they reside in for sacraments to be performed in another parish. Formerly, the costs associated with the sacraments were part of the priest's income. Historically, this was part of the reasons for Benito's Juarez's reforms in the late 1850s.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Is there a place where familysearch has done the same thing with the Guadalajara dispensas for the area of Michoacan?

This is amazing, over the weekend I had a major break finding a connection to my Great Grandmother Socorro Riojas family. And then today discovered wonderful information while searching further, thanks to your hard work of entering the Marriage Dispensas I was able to locate information on my 6th Great-Grandfather Juan Ygnacio de Castilla y Riojas B: 1707 Aracena, Spain; married to Antonia Cortinas of Monclova Cahuilla, Mexico. I am not very fluent in Spanish and I am requesting help in the translation of their marriage information.
1727-1734 FHL Source Film 168054 #576.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16458-22?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Judy Rodriguez de Jauregui

La diocesis de San Luis Potosi fue erigida en 1854, asi que las dispensas estarian entre los documentos de la diocesis en San Luis Potosi para el año 1866. Desafortunadamente, los registros de la Iglesia Catolica del estado de San Luis Potosi aun no han sido digitalizados ni puesto al acceso publico en linea.

Me imagino que podria ordenar los microfilmes como en tiempos antiguos... las dispensas suelen aparecer entre las informaciones matrimoniales de la parroquia donde se pidio la dispensa.

Ademas, debe haber registros de la dispensa al nivel de la diocesis, es decir en la ciudad de San Luis Potosi.

Yes, there is problem with FamilySearch. I have had problems in doing searches. And I just saw a message that was sent to the Admins of the Facebook pages for FamilySearch. Which said the following:

"Heads up-- there is a problem with FamilySearch today- a search is not possible in the collections after a big change was made in the collections- be patient is the answer- they will be up again soon the engineers are aware"

Jonathan

my problem is I can't get more than 10 pages and then the link breaks and it tell me to try again later.. I have to admit this has been a problem since I started using the feature but it still beats going to a history center, ordering film and waiting for it..
Linda in Everett

________________________________
From: "gpf13@aol.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:33 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problems with Family Search

Is anyone having problems with the search feature of Family Search? Some changes appear to have been made between yesterday and today, and searches that produced many records yesterday provide nothing today.

I wonder if we are in the midst of an uncompleted upgrade?

George Fulton

By problems, do you mean that everything you search for comes out zilch? That is what I am getting this evening.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:33:18 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problems with Family Search
>
> Is anyone having problems with the search feature of Family Search? Some changes appear to have been made between yesterday and today, and searches that produced many records yesterday provide nothing today.
>
> I wonder if we are in the midst of an uncompleted upgrade?
>
> George Fulton

Hola Verónica, yo también desciendo de Nicolás Barajas y Catalina Galindo, su hijo Cristóbal es mi ancestro. Pero al igual que tu solo tengo esos datos y nada mas atrás lamentablemente. Cualquier dato que encuentre en el futuro estaré al pendiente para enviarte los datos.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Yo uso www.myheritage.com espero te sirva

2012/1/21

> SALUDOS A TODOS
>
> CUAL SERIA EL MEJOR PROGRAMA PARA GUARDAR NUESTRA BASE DE DATOS DE
> NUESTROS ARBOLES, YA QUE YO TENGO COMO TRES AÑOS UTILIZANDO EL PROGRAMA DEL
> PAF DEL FAMILY, Y CON ESTO DE LA DISCUSION DE LA PIRATERIA NO SE SI ES
> CONFIABLE.
>
> VICTOR MANUEL GOMEZ

Hola Víctor:

Yo llevo un tiempo utilizando Legacy, y me ha resultado muy bueno. Tengo la versión gratuita por lo que algunas aplicaciones no vienen incluidas pero puedes utilizar las básicas. Es a color a diferencia del PAF, lo que antes volvía mi trabajo a veces aburrido, el ver aquella pantalla toda gris. También te viene un programa adjunto para crear árboles genealógicos impresos, aunque si quieres que te queden a la perfección tienes que pagar por ellos. La transición de tus datos del PAF al Legacy es sumamente fácil, ya que ambos son de Familysearch.

Espero pueda serte útil este programa, te lo recomiendo mucho.

Enrique Agraz

Some brief information about Joel Poinsett (from Wikipedia):

First Minister to Mexico
Statue of Poinsett in Greenville, South Carolina in 2010.

He simultaneously served as a special envoy to Mexico from 1822 to 1823 and was appointed the first American minister to Mexico in 1825, and became embroiled in the country’s political turmoil until his recall in 1830. It was during this time that he visited the area of south of Mexico City around Taxco del Alarcon where he found what was later to become known in the United States as the poinsettia, in Mexico is called "Flor de Noche Buena" (Christmas Eve flower). (The Aztecs referred to the winter-blooming plant as cuetlaxochitl; its Latin name is Euphorbia pulcherrima or "the most beautiful Euphorbia.") Poinsett, an avid amateur botanist, sent samples of the plant home to the States and by 1836 the plant was most widely known as the "poinsettia."

From other sources: Because of his meddling in internal affairs in Mexico, the Mexican

I found a variation of Maria de *Yslaba* vs. Ysalba. Also Joseph Feliz de *
Arravide* aka *Arravide married to Maria de Yslaba with the marriage date
of 20 Feb 1724*. These two children are listed: Maria Josepha Eusebia
Arravide Yslaba b. 5 Nov 1722, ch. 15 Nov 1722, Asuncion, Sagrario
Metropolitano, Centro, Mexico, Distrito Federal,, C04128-5, Mexico-EASy
35179; and Polonia Josepha Ygnacia de Arranvide de Yslaba, b. 8 Feb. 1725,
ch. 16 Feb 1725, C61959-4, Mex.-VR 35180

-Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Dear Group,
> Since there appears to be members with the surname of de Alba, I thought
> I'd pose the question again.
> Has anyone seen these surnames used interchangably in their research? Or
> are they distinctly different?
> Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Alice
>
> --- On Mon, 1/23/12, Alice Blake wrote:
>
>
> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Ysalba
> To: research@nuestrosranchos

The Antonio SANTANA found by Marta Haro as baptized 24 May 1723 (I couldn't find this record in the entries for March or May 1723) must be from another year, or possibly from another family. Antonio SANTANA and Feliciana GOMES-GARSIA's son, Cayetano, was baptized 21 Sep 1723 (Tecolotlan, Image 388); this would leave only four months between these two birth dates. Cayetano later married Juana URIVE Ramires on 27 May 1750 (info from IGI).

There is an older brother, Antonio SANTANA Gomes-Garsia, who married Mariana DE LA PENA Castillo on 11 Feb 1730 in Tecolotlan, so this first Antonio would have to be born at least by 1710 or 1712. I made a unsuccessful quick search through Tecolotlan marriages to locate these records, but they are badly out of order.

Gloria Delgado

Hello Deedra:

All of Antonio de Santa Ana and Feliciana Gómez were born in the Ranch "San José de los Guajes", that was of their property, it's know located in the municipality of Juchitlán.
It's correct Antonio's baptism date and they had another son named Miguel, he was born aprox. in 1708 but he's baptismal record wasn't in the church according to my uncle Gabriel. Miguel married twice, the first with Juana García de Alba and the second with Agustina del Castillo.

Enrique

Have you searched the Información Matrimonial volume in Jalos for the same
time period?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-3102-9?cc=1874591&wc=1…
Have you looked at all of the dispensas that have been posted by Claudia at
www.guadalajaradispensas.com that involve surnames of children,
grandchildren, and great grand children of Melchor Reynoso and María de San
Juan Gonsales Rubio?

The following won't provide proof but can provide evidence of the
connection that has been assumed. These are things that are normally
associated with close family members. What are the names of the padrinos of
the baptisms and marriages? Are the children of Melchor born in the same
ranch or hacienda as Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca
Ramires de Hermosillo? Is Melchor mentioned in the baptisms of
grandchildren of Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca Ramires
de Hermosillo? This could mean he is an uncle or a cousin.

Regards
Armando

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10

Based on your description of your research you may have done this already, but if not ...

Sometimes the matrimonial investigations will exist for a couple that you know were married, because all their children are "hijos legitimos", but for which you cannot find the marriage record. A check the matrimonial investigations will sometimes be successful. I have seen this in Aguascalientes.

Good luck!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Emily,

I learned something from your post too because I don't use Ancestry. I
wasn't aware of the trolling robots used there. The only place I've posted
any of my work is on NR. I did so because I want to collaborate with others
who are researching the same families I am. The person who took the liberty
of posting my info is not related to my family and I know that because the
tree ends after x number of generations. I am also certain that they copied
my tree because they included an error I had in my original file, which I
later corrected. I don't know who it is because I didn't bother trying to
contact that individual. All I know is that they published it under the
name Daniel the Actor. Ironic, isn't it?

What I did to "protect" my file is publish it as a PDF and password protect
the print, copy and paste functions. I figured this way only someone who is
really researching the same families I am will take the time to contact me
and not merely copy my work to append it to theirs. I

totalmente de acuerdo

2012/1/18 Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez :
>
> Hace días leí en un mensaje del señor Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se detenía en publicar algunos datos genealógicos en nuestro foro porque existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los demás con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el señor Tovar porque a mi me pasó en una ocasión, la verdad es que yo no tengo mucho tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealogía y por tanto a lo mejor no aporto muchos datos de interés para el grupo, pero recuerdo una ocasión haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los Vázquez de Lara y Vázquez Zermeño de los Altos de Jalisco se hacía llamar Juan Vázquez de Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en algunas páginas y genealogías de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y además tienen hasta mi genealogía en sus páginas y no me dan el reconocimiento debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de

Hace algunos años comencé a crear mi árbol genealógico en línea. Gran parte de los datos los obtuve de la magnífica investigación que Guillermo Tovar De Teresa ha hecho, respaldada en fuentes originales que él mismo ha urgado en archivos de diversas partes de México, España y Alemania.
Desde el principio, cualquier dato genealógico tomado de fuentes investigadas por Guillermo he puesto el crédito correspondiente.
Cuando encuentro yo mismo algún documento, respaldo los datos que consigno con la transcripción del mismo o cito la fuente, ya sea bibliográfica o cibernética.
Cuando algún pariente me proporciona datos, cito la fuente.
Lamentablemente, como comenta Guillermo, hay piratas que toman mis datos y no dan crédito alguno y cometen errores.
La genealogía es un asunto serio y como tal debe respetarse.

Luis Núñez Gornés

Jorge Luis,

De ninguna manera cae mal tu mensaje. A mi me ha pasado lo mismo con mi
linea de los de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza. La trabajé por mucho tiempo y
lo publiqué aquí en Nuestros Ranchos con todas mis fuentes para luego
encontrarla publicada en Rootsweb sin mi permiso o mención a mi trabajo. Yo
por mi parte cuando alguien comparte datos conmigo, primeramente anoto a la
persona como fuente de esa información. Asi no se me olvida de donde la
recibí. Si la voy a compartir con alguien mas, primero le pregunto a la
persona que la compartió permiso para hacerlo y le doy el credito a la
persona. Hay que tenernos respeto y no abusar de la generosidad de la
persona que comparte su trabajo. Despues de encontrar mis datos publicados
en Rootsweb, protegí mi archivo para que no tan facilmente puedan copiar
los datos y recorté varias generaciones de mi arbol. Tambien decidí no
incluir mis fuentes.

Existen varios genealogistas en este foro que son de los mas destacados en
esta materia que

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con todo lo dicho y no lo repetire, y los felicito por tocar el tema, pero como se resuelve? Como lograr que los dos caballeros que necesitan educarse lo hagan? Algunos sabemos quienes son. En general los miembros de NR somos personas respetuosas, educadas, bien intencionadas, y quienes con gusto daremos el credito y agradecimiento a quien corresponda por la ayuda recibida.
El problema es la ambicion de reconocimiento que tienen y obtienen estos dos, que no toman en cuenta a los demas. Aunque la informacion ya sea del dominio publico mientras Family Search quiera, es mucho el tiempo y esfuerzo que se ocupa localizando datos. El tiempo es lo mas valioso que tenemos. Nunca podremos recuperarlo.
Aunque expongamos sus nombres, no veo forma de impedir su acceso al resultado de nuestros esfuerzos. Posiblemente compartiendo informacion de manera privada por email, pero entonces se desvirtua el proposito del foro. Ideas?

Absolutely agree with what's been said, won

Apoyo cien por ciento con lo que dice Jorge Luis Ramírez, quien ha
demostrado ser un investigador serio y trabajador, con grandes cualidades
como son la modestia y la honestidad.

Existen muchas clases de genealogistas. Una de ellas son quienes hacen
trabajo de "maquila", es decir, que sin un propósito individual realizan
trabajos que son de utilidad general. Realizan índices, compilaciones,
extractos, etcétera. Su labor es muy meritoria y merece el agradecimiento de
la comunidad. Son los altruistas, súbditos de la dictadura moral de los
desdichados, que luchan para desterrar la ignorancia de los miembros de una
comunidad. Su trabajo tiene mérito pero no gracia. ¡Un aplauso para ellos!

Existen genealogistas que intentan realizar investigaciones de historia
familiar, con fines personales. Esas personas trabajan intensamente,
consultando fuentes que resultan casi desconocidas para la mayoría de los
investigadores, con el objeto de identificar a un ancestro que para ellos
tiene un

We are living in the information age. All of us researchers must face the fact that any information we uncover does not belong to us (the researcher). While we may currently have documents or information no one else has--that same information will soon be made available to the masses one way or another. I wholeheartedly agree that we should give credit where credit is due; if someone took the time and effort to uncover something that has helped your search--THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. But I also think that the "hoarding" mentality is counterproductive to our research and legacy.

Think about how many "ahas" happen here when someone shares a bit of the puzzle...and then someone else shares their own little bit of the puzzle...then (and we've seen this), a whole landscape has been painted by our collective work. We should face it, we don't own anything individually--we own it collectively because it is our heritage. Not "mine," but "ours."

How high would your documented family tree

Hi Alice:

I have no information about Martín Arrambide, but feel free to ask me if you need about any other family from Salinas Victoria, my great great grandfather Leandro Villarreal Garza was from there and I have many info about those families.

Enrique

Where can we get information on Haciendas of Zacatecas? Heavens, I've
tried and there's some but it's as easy as finding hen's teeth.
Marge:)
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I've put links in the links area of the group from the links area of
> the
> old Yahoo Ranchos group. Please have a look and send me new links to
> include in this area. I especially need links for Aguascalientes.
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13934
>
>
> Geografic and Locality Information
>
> # Pueblos de Jalisco
> # Pueblos de Zacatecas
> # Pueblos de Aguascalientes
>
> # Haciendas de Aguascalientes
>
> # Obispados y Diocesis
>
> #
>
>
>

Hola Paty:

Muchas gracias, toda mi línea de mi abuelo paterno es de ahí. Alguna vez me topé con ese índice, pero la verdad es que no lo utilicé mucho porque casi todos o todos los matrimonios vienen indexados, la cuestión es la ortografía, que a veces no encuentro la base de datos y ya cuando checo bien resulta que lo escribieron de otra manera.

Te agradezco de nuevo por el link, ya había olvidado que existía.

Saludos