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I have just uncovered an ancestor who was married prior to her 12th birthday in the early eighteen hundreds. My genealogy software keeps giving a warning on this record. It seems many women were married around 15 or 16 years old during this time. This is the first one that was so young, but I know that it happened in Appalacian Mountains even up to the 1900's. I have not ordered the films yet to check for the accuracy and whether this is the right family, but has anyone else run across marriages where the bride was so young?

Maureen Bejar

Does anyone know anything about this Family in aguascalientes. I had a Diaz line in Jalisco which eventually made it self back to Aguascalientes into the compund surname diaz de tiscareno:

HEre is my information

Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno

Born ca. 1703 in Villa de Aguascalientes

Greetings All,
Does anyone have any of the above surnames in their genological tree in the Chalchihuites, Sombrerete, Zacatecas area? What I have so far is:

Jose Goitia married Dolores Zamora around 1865.
Children:
Dolores, Florencio, Manuel, Nicolasa, Romanita, Sabino, Santiago, & Sebastian.

Bernardo Paez married Rafaela Romero about 1870.
Children:
Jose Maria, Francisco

Jose Maria Paez Romero married Dolores Goitia Zamora around 1898.

Any help would be appreciated.
By the way, this site has been very useful and informative. Congratulations!

Gilbert Paez

Joseph,

Do you have a Gregorio RObles somewhere in there circa 1670 +/- 20 years. I believe my Gregorio might have come from Tepetongo, Zac to Saltillo. He married a Maria Sanchez. I have no clue where he was from. I believe Jalisco or Sombrette are other possibilities.

Esther A. Herold

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> Well the genealogies he covers in depth are: De la Torre, Robles,
> Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzalez, Murillo, Carols, Rodriguez, Mejia,
> Zuniga, and Salazar. Not Gutierrez. I went through and tried to find
> Maria Ignacia de la Torre (1780) but the genealogies are very very very
> user unfriendly and it would take a major research session (maybe a few
> days worth) to search each page. Sorry,
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
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>
>
>
> Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> > I'm wondering if someone can do a look up for me in the book by Mr. De la
> Torre Berumen on Tepetongo. I'm trying to find ancestors or other family
> members for this Gutierrez family in Tepetongo and Jerez. I had this book but
> sold it to a group member, thanks in advance.
> > Linda in Everett
> >
> > 1 Vicente Gutierrez 1777 - b: Abt. 1777 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> > . +Maria Ignacia de la Torre 1780 - b: Abt. 1780 in Tepetongo, Zac
> > ........ 2 Domingo Gutierrez 1802 - b: Abt. 1802 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> > ............ +Guadalupe Oyarzabal 1805 - b: Abt. 1805 in Jerez, Zac ? Father:
> Jose don Oyarzabal Mother: Clara do

The source I found was published so it must be somewhat true, At least that's what I believe.
This is what the book is called

Enciclopedia de Navarra. Tomo IV. pp. 403-404 ESPARZA

Here is a small part of it in transalation

My name is Paula and I am searching maternal grandparents and back two generations. I am looking for --Castorena/Macias-----Hernandez/ Castorena and Hernandez/Guerra.. The records I have ( all from Mormon Family History site ) show these families in Aguacalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco. Do these names sound familiar to anyone ?
Thank you
Paula-------ropawa@msn.com

I just ran across this article, which I believe someone had mentioned previously by reference to an article that talked about it. I am a bit of a math nerd so reading the actual article and its modeling assumptions is quite interesting.

It is amazing to think that the most recent common ancestor of ALL human beings may have lived as late as 2000 years ago. Perhaps more surprising is the fact that all people who lived just 2000 or 3000 years before that are either (1) the ancestors of EVERYONE on earth today; or (2) have no descendants living today.

http://tedlab.mit.edu/~dr/Papers/Rohde-MRCA-two.pdf

I suppose we should not be surprised that we are finding so many common ancetors among ourselves 200 or 300 years back.

I have found some new names to add to my family tree on my mother's side. I
got them from the parish records for the Santuario de Nuestra Senora de
Guadalupe Catholic church in Guadalajara, Jalisco. Film number is 0038507
and they are for marriages 1868-1898.

However, even though the records say they are of "matrimonios," I am having
trouble translating them to determine if they are the actual wedding day
record, or some say "dispensa" and some say "infacie ecclesia."
Nevertheless, here are the records I found to add to my ancestral chart:

Juan Manuel Rodriguez, 27, and Maria Silvestre Robles, 21; October 30, 1870;
groom's parents are Juan Jose Rodriguez and Simona Pancardo, both deceased;
bride's parents are Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera, both living, my
great-grandfather, Alberto Martin del Campo's, grandparents, his mother's
parents. Maria Silvestre Robles was his aunt, his mother's sister.

Juan Martin del Campo, 23, and Maria Hilaria Meza, 19; July 16, 1874;
groom's parents are Tomas Martin del Campo, deceased and Nievez Muniz,
living, my great-grandfather, Alberto Martin del Campo's grandparents, his
father's parents. Juan Martin del Campo was his uncle, his father's
brother; the bride's parents are Jesus Meza and Leandra de la Cruz.

Ysmael Martin del Campo, 20, and Rita Robles, 24; February 9, 1875; groom's
parents are Tomas Martin del Campo and Maria Nieves Munis, both deceased;
bride's parents are Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. Ysmael and Rita were
my great-grandfather Alberto's parents.

Corrine Ardoin

David,

Yes, the baseline for inquiry/research for (Toribio and Isabel) birth dates
is 1520 to 1530, and we need to recognize that, this was the very start of
the colonization of the Nueva Espana (Mexico). So, availability of records
in Mexico for that time is almost nonexistent; - - - and it is also quite
likely that Toribio and Isabel were born in Spain.

[Cuauhtemoc's surrender occurred in 1521]
[The Viceroyalty was not created until 1523, and the first Viceroy did not
arrive until 1535]

Therefore, like all genealogical investigations about this era, it would
seem best to pursue this research with a bi-directional strategy: (1)
births, marriages, and transit from Spain (into Mexico), during the
approximate 1500 to 1550 time span, --- and (2) looking for ancestry
information in the very sparse Mexican records of events from about 1540
or so.

Since we believe that Toribio and Isabel were from "noble" families, it
might also be fruitful to look for information about them --- and their
families --- in historical and migration "writings" about that era.

These are the areas where I will be looking/researching, --- but you may
get there first !! In any event, we can share our findings along the way.

Good luck !

Efrain

> [Original Message]
> From: mormonboy74
> To:
> Date: 6/3/2007 9:04:16 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Where can i Find her info?
>
>
> Hello Efrain, Thanks for your help, I was wondering since I have extra
time
> where would or where do you think her records would be also that of
Toribio Hernandez? Mexico City, or Aguascalientes? since its ca. 1530 it
should me Mexico City or in that region.
> Daniel Alejandro Mendez del Camino

perdon , pero estoy investigando mi arbol genealogico y gran parte de mi familia segun lo que he investigado esta en jalisco y zacatecas pero me atore, si alguien tiene datos que me pudieran ayudar acerca de las siguientes personas se los agradeceria:
gorgonio avila ruiz, guillermina robles gonzalez , eulogio robles, m. jesus gonzalez, serapio avila, m. merced ruiz, estevan euron, , paula padilla, luz lopez, felipa aguilar, pero lo que mas me interesa y es donde tengo menos datos es de luisa gonzalez nacida en 1905 al parecer hija de hilario gonzalez y refugio elizondo, se que hay algo que mi Padre no quizo decir u ocultar en esta rama por lo tal quiero seguir investigando y formar mi arbol de la mejor forma para que mis descendientes lo aprecien.
p.d. han de disculpar por tanto texto, pero me gusta investigar.
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Interesting quote from the movie "The man who wasn't there", by the Coen brothers, with Billy Bob Thorton:

I found myself, more and more,
going over to the Abundas's.
It was a routine we fell into
most every evening.
I even went when Walter was away
on his research trips.

He was a genealogist,
Had traced back his side of the family seven generations,
His late wife's eight.
It seemed like a screwy hobby,
But then maybe all hobbies are.

Maybe Walter found something there
in the old county courthouses,
Hospital file rooms,
City archives, property rolls,
Registries.
Something maybe like what I found listening to Birdy play.
Some kind of escape.
Some kind of peace.

Does anyone know who Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza is? She would of been born around 1530 in Mexico City. Her father was said to be Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, a Spanish Conquistador, and the grandchild of
Rodrigo Hurtado de Mendoza, the Marquis of Cenete. Other sources said this is inaccurate and there is no evidence for this. I think many of us on Ranchos descend from Isabel de Mendoza through the Ruiz de Esparza and Lopez de Elisalde lines. Is there any Mexico City Records or anything during that period that could prove this? and find out who she exactly is? Any assistance is helpful. Thanks. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

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Subject: Somos Primos June 2007 Table of Contents + URL lq3
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:30:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spjun07/spjun07.htm

Dear Somos Primos reader:
If you sent an article and it does not appear in this issue, please
forgive me. It will be in the July issue. I was up to 300 pages on the
June issue and needed to shrink the issue down. I suggest you let the
issue load fully before scanning. It is about 250 pages, and slow to
fully load.

In the July issue, I hope to include lots of ideas for celebrating
Hispanic Heritage Month. Please feel invited to share sites, cultural
and heritage materials, or ideas.

I think you all will be touched by efforts of three individuals honoring
the leadership and sacrifices that their father made for /La Raza/,
Wanda Garcia, Magdalena Morales, and Eddie Marin. Especially shared with
joy in recognizing Father's Day.

Warm regards, Mimi

*Content Areas*
*United States *
*Action Item*
Damnatio memorie
Defend the Honor Campaign Expanding
Documentaries
Los Veteranos of World War II
Latino Stories of World War II
Colors of Courage: Sons of New Mexico, Prisoners of Japan (2002)
The Short Life of Jose Antonio Gutierrez

*National Issues
*Dr. Hector P.Garcia, The Medal, by daughter Wanda Garcia
Dionicio Morales, leader in Civil Rights movement* *daughter Magdalena
website*
*/Among the Valiants/, Eddie Marin carries on father's fight to honor
our military
Only 3.6% of federal employees at senior levels in 2006 were Hispanic
Book: The Journey to Latino Political Representation
Importance of September 19, 1947 on US School
Desegregation* *

Does anyone know this surname, as far as I have seen its not very commen in Aguascalientes but there are A LOT in Jalisco and Michoacan Area. I have never heard the surname de Ordorica before until know. I think My Ordorica line migrated to Aguas in the mid 1740's. Here is my Ordorica line.

Maria Rita de Ordorica born ca. 1775 in Ciudad Aguascalientes, Ags., Mexico and married Hipolito de Soto around 1795 and had Mateo de Soto y de Ordorica who is my 4th great grandfather. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for all your help in the past.

have a listen to new audio on the Texas Connection to the American
Revolution by Jack Cowan:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/revolution.html

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Is anyone doing Saucedo research in Malpaso? If so please contact me:
makas@nc.rr.com

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Does anyone have info on the patriarch of the Ruiz de Esparza line in Jalisco, IGI starts showing them in Jalisco about the mid 1670's in Jalisco. I found my Simon Ruiz de Esparza it appears as he came from Teocaltiche, Jalisco to Calvillo, Aguas. and found there marriage now. I have seen different records for Juana Maria and her last names appear different several times when the records were written? I wonder Why? Would anyone know the answer to this?

Simon Ruiz de Esparza
Juana Maria Yanez Or Nunez or Nanez
Marriage: 1 May 1800
Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

I supposed they moved to Calvillo, Aguas. about 1817-1820? Or So then they had Mariana Esparza Yanez? in Calvillo in 1824.

Does anybody have a copy of this book or know where I can obtain one?

José León Robles de la Torre
Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genealogias, Tepetongo, Zacatecas
(Torreón, Coahuila: Editorial del Norte Mexicano, 1999).

I have done church marriage records from Jerez and am now working on civil marriage records. I'm finding some that are years apart and others that are days apart, usually the civil marriage first.. Which date would you put for the wedding date? It appears there was a lot more fuss over the church marriage. I'm entering both into the files but wondered which should appear on the marriage date box. I know my grandparents from there only celebrated the church marriage date.

Linda in Everett

Simon Ruiz de Esparza (b. ca. 1785) (Espanol) in Ciudad Aguascalientes or Calvillo, Ags.

Andres Ruiz de Esparza (b. ca. 1800) (Espanol) in Calvillo, Ags.

Does anyone know how to contact a cronista for any given municpal?

I would like to contact the cronista from Rio Grande, COahuila also known as Guerrero.
--
Esther A. Herold

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>
> Chris:
>
> The Carvajales are certainly a well known family in Mexico among genealogists.
> Because the records of the inquisition are so clear in their condemnation of
> them as Jews and their pivotal role in the foundation of Monterrey and several
> other northern Mexican cities.
>
> I imagine that there are plenty of descendants of Carvajales that have traced
> their lineage back. If your research is well documented, I would suggest
> sharing it with the general public through Mimo Lozano's Somos Primos
> publication.
>
> I have done some reading on the Sephardim of Mexico. My strict paternal lineage
> is somewhat problematic because I get back to about 1770 and I have an ancestor
> who was "expuesto" and adopted and therefore I am unable to go back any further.
> It is certainly a great enigma that I would like to resolve... where Joseph
> Ramon Aranzazu came from and who his parents were. Some in the group have told
> me that it is possible his adoptive father was in fact his illegitimate father.
> There are Aranzazus around Tlaltenango today who are probably descendants of the
> adoptive father Bartholome Aranzazu and a Y-DNA test of one of them would prove
> or disprove that theory.
>
> The cronista of Totatiche seems to think that the early Spanish families around
> the region were Sephardim and because the region was a frontier where the
> indigenous people had been given autonomy it was a good refuge. It certainly
> attracted many escaped slaves. That is pretty well documented in early
> litigation between the "naturales" and some of the espanoles who were trying to
> claim their land under the pretense that they were not in fact "naturales" of
> the region but rather slaves that had escaped their masters and indigenous
> people who had escaped their encomiendas. Early records in Tlaltenango,
> Colotlan and Totatiche certainly show many negros and mulattos, many of them
> free and mostly marrying into the local indigenous population.

Hello All,

I have been asked, to plan and do a online Hispanic Family History Conference. I was wondering if anyone in the group, could give me any ideas of what subjects to present, who to ask to be presenters, and how to promote the conference, so that it can worthwhile for the attendees and for the presenters.

Thanks,
Jonathan
joanthan@mexicanfhr.com

Hello,

I want to re-introduce myself to the group. If anyone
can help, please let me know...I'm stuck right now.

Here's what I recently discovered. My great
grandfather, Nicanor Pineda, married twice in
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. His parents were named Pedro
Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza (Pedro Pinedo's second
wife apparently). Also, Pedro Pinedo may have been
born about 1851, but I'm not sure where.

In terms of next steps, I'm going to try to find
marriage records for Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta
Cardoza in Tlaltenango, but if this rings a bell to
anyone, please let me know. Thanks.

Chris Pineda

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Can anyone help me locate where this town is at in the state of Jalisco? what is the major town nearby?

The response to my inquiry on Defunciones has been very helpful and enlightening - y'all are awesome to enter the discussion and share your knowledge. I plan to take all of your comments and compile a list (cheat sheet) to go with my notations/extractions. This has been a terrific learning experience. Thanks again to all of you.

Natalie in VA