TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

Hi,
My name is Daniel and I am doing research on my ancestors who were from:
#1-San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (mid 1800s)
#2-Mascota, Jalisco (mid 1800s)
#3-Sombrerete, Zacatecas (early 1800s), familia de Onofre Eulogio Ortiz y
Juana Guerra Carrillo

I have found the records for Mascota and San Juan to be scarce and the
Sombrerete records for that time period do not show any families with last name
Ortiz so that the Sombrerete film turned out to be a dead end.

In San Juan I am looking for Jesus Hernandez and Concepcion Barajas, born
sometime before 1855. I am also looking for the Lopez Hernandez family, born
before 1875.

The last one is the familia Hernandez Barajas also from San Juan de los
Lagos.

If you ever click on a link that is suppose to go to the website and get
a nasty little message like this:

"ACCESS DENIED"

well that is because you weren't logged in. It is also possible that if
you log in at that point you will still get the "Access Denied" message.
What you need to do is Log in first and then click on any links that go
to the webpage. You should only have to log in once per session. So if
you start off by logging in your computer memory should keep you logged
into the site for as long as you are on the site.

so in brief. If you get that message just log in and then click on the
link again

joseph

According to the website 70 members are signed up for the Announce list.
So If I'm understanding things correctly 70 of you should receive this.

Helyn and Mickey are you there?

If you receive this email then you are properly subscribed. Helyn resend
that message you sent yesterday as it never made it through to the
group. Maybe you will be the Spark that stimulates some conversation.

Mickey if you get this why not tell us something new about your research.

Anyone else getting this (there should be 68 of you) what new and
exciting thing is happing in your world of genealogy. Anybody have
something they want to Announce?

[Note: this is the Announce list. . .we should "try" to keep Research
topics on the "Research" email list: research@nuestrosranchos.org and
"General" topics on the General email list: general@nuestrosranchos.org]

thanks,

joseph

Have I guessed the correct forum for posting this message? I'm not very good at discerning into which forum to post certain inquiries or comments - so I just hope for the best.
Anyway - What genealogy software do you use? How would you evaluate it (i.e., what do you like/dislike about it)?
My only experience with genealogy software has to do with my husband's genealogy/family history. That was years ago, on a Mac - I used "Reunion". But we changed to a PC about 4-5 years ago, and I never got software for the PC (consequently my research slowed to a crawl - with occasional research, but notes all in longhand, and in assorted notebooks).
NOW, we have a brand new computer - an iMac (very fancy). I will have to investigate the new generation of genealogy software. If you have any tips to share (general use of software; or specific tips) I would be most appreciative.
Thanks all,
Natalie

If you are in need of specific help for your particular genealogy
software here is a great list of the Lists available:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_software.html

joseph

Saludos a todos,
I am planning a few trips to visit the UTEP special collection dept to see the documents of Cleofas Calleros. This local historian, author became the Mexican Border Representative of the National Catholic Welfare Conference Bureau of Immigration in El Paso in 1926 to 1968. He handled over 1 million immigration cases and from what I have seen of his documents he was a very organized and meticulous Rep. These records were donated to the UTEP Library and have all been sorted by surname and placed in acid free file boxes. Unfortunately the records for letters A-E were destroyed. If you know that your ancestor came thru El Paso e-mail me directly with the names and any pertinent info such as name of state, town of birth, spouse, parents. Remember that women used their maiden name. This info allows me to distinguish from many similar records. I will then get a copy and e-mail them to you. Some of these records have pictures, with these I take a photo and will do the
same. I know that it will be alot of work but I know that I'm fortunate to have these records almost at hand. PLEASE let me know that you are a RANCHOS COUSIN in you subject heading, otherwise I won't open your
e-mail. I know this will take a while and we will have hits and misses so, please be patient. If you make a request I will assume that you are giving me permission to copy your families documents.
Adios PRIMOS
Yolanda Medina Pérez

If you happen to be in Washington, DC June 30-July4
or July 7-11, you might want to take in the
Smithsonian's Folklife Festival on the National Mall.
This is the announcement regarding the Nuestra Musica
program. The other programs will be on Alberta, Canada
and Native American Basketry.
The Festival website can be found at:
www.folklife.si.edu
(This is one of my favorite activities of the summer,
and I try to volunteer for a few days each year - a
very rewarding experience.)

(Joseph - is this an appropriate use of this forum?)
- Natalie

Nuestra Música: Latino Chicago is the third of four
Smithsonian Folklife Festival programs of the
multi-year Nuestra Música: Music in Latino Culture
project, an initiative that explores and presents the
diverse, evolving, and expanding universe of música
Latina, which often unites and defines the largest
minority group and fastest growing population in the
United States. Other project components include the
Smithsonian Folkways Recordings series
Tradiciones/Traditions, Latino music sections in the
Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage and
Folkways websites, and multimedia features on the
recently launched Global Sound website.

The 2006 program will highlight the music and cultural
expressions of Chicago's diverse Latino communities
and explore the role they play in shaping contemporary
society, creating community, and confirming cultural
identity. Two premier grassroots Latino music groups,
researched and documented by Smithsonian Folkways
Recordings, will complement the Chicago artists and
reference the wider panorama of musical life in Latino
USA.

According to the website 77 members are signed up for the General list.
So If I'm understanding things correctly 77 of you should receive this.

This email distribution list should be used for things of General
interest that you wouldn't consider Research or Announcements.

For example. Let's say that you Tia Esperanza comes over. And she is
talking about everything under that Sun and just casually says hey why
don't we make "Atole del Rancho" and you say. Hey why is it called that.
Then she says well let's make some and we'll talk about it . She goes on
to tell you some great Oral History that you record on your tape
recorder and she writes down the recipe for the Atole. That recipe is as
follows and the "General" list is the perfect place for such a recipe:

Atole De Zarzamora Recipe

Serves/Makes: 6

Submitted by: rec.food.recipes Mendi mendi

Ready in: 30-60 minutes
Difficulty: 4
(1=easiest :: hardest=5)

Categories:
Hot Drink Recipes
Mexican Recipes

Ingredients:

* 2 pounds Wild blackberries
* 2 cups Cold water
* 1/2 cup Cold water
* 1/3 cup Tortilla masa
* 3 tablespoons Crushed piloncillo or dark brown sugar to taste
* 1/2 cup Prepared tortilla masa, or
* 1/2 cup masa harina (scant) mixed with
* 1/3 cup water
* 2/3 cup Water
* 1 1/2 cup Warm milk
* 1 1/2 cup Warm water
* 1 1/2 ounce Tablet drinking chocolate
* 1 (3-inch) cinnamon stick
* 3 tablespoons Sugar, brown; to taste

Directions:

Though there are many variations, basically "atole" is a gruel thickened
with masa, sweetened with raw sugar, and flavored with crushed fruits -
such as pineapple and strawberries - or seasoned with chili. Some are
made with a base of ground rice; others with fresh corn. For the
Mexicans atole, too, is a natural accompaniment for tamales. For
non-Mexicans, however, it is really not the sort of beverage that would
generally be accepted, no matter how authentic.

Blackberry atole Put the blackberries and water into a saucepan and cook
over a medium flame, pressing them down from time to time, for about 10
minutes. Puree the blackberries in a blender or food

processor and press through a fine sieve, or the fine disk of a food
mill, to extract the seeds, and return to the pan.

I just returned from our 31st Castanon Family Reunion in Stkn Ca. and had a family member ask if I had any information for her husbands family originally from Aguascalientes.. I found some information on Familysearch and am wondering if anyone in the group is working this Andrade line? Luciano Andrade and Antonia Montes were married in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on Feb. 18 1835. Their son Pascual Andrade, wife Maria Augustina Lopez, married May 23 1859 are the parents of Luis Andrade June 1874, wife, Angela Mendez who are the parents of my relative Luis Andrade from Ca. I was amazed I could find this much online and am praying someone in the group has other information.

Luis Andrade said his family history has been lost except for bits and pieces since his father immigrated around 1920 and worked for the railroad moving so much Luis doesn't even know where he was born. When he needed a passport to vacation in Europe the clerk asked him where he would like to be born just to be able to get the passport.. that should confuse future genealogists who don't know his story! Luis also said his father said he rode with Pancho Villa even though he doesn't know whether to believe the story or not..
I would appreciate any help from anyone working the records from Aguacalientes.

Linda in Everett

According to the website 76 members are signed up for the Research list.
So If I'm understanding things correctly 76 of you should receive this.

This email distribution list should be used for things of Research
interest that you wouldn't consider General or Announcements.

Okay everyone this is the email list that you all should be cutting
loose on. Tell us your latest finds or ask your questions. If you have
something ask.

As for me I'm very encouraged. I have mentioned before that I have
broken through what I consider my last important wall. Yes I have many
other walls to break through, but getting through this last one makes me
content even if I always have to stay on this side of those other walls
because this side is in the midst of all four of my grandparents.
Actually I've passed all 4 grandparents and am sitting comfortable with
all 8 of my Great grandparents.

Yes there is much work to do but knowing that the preliminary work is
done is comforting. I've take a giant first step for the family. I'll
continue to do more work and research but it might require future
geneations to take the batton and carry the work to the next level. .
.well lets see how far I can carry it.

I had been inserting information into my Family Tree Maker 2006 software
and noticed that it was getting slow and unmanageable to work with
especially since I had been putting the JPEG scan/photo of the source
records for the individuals baptism, marriage and death when they were
available. Well I decided to ask about this on the FTM list.

Seems that I should have been cropping, resizing, and optimizing the
JPEG's first and then entering them to keep the file size down. So what
I did is deleted every foto in my FTM file, then I cut the file in Half.
I have one file now for my Dad's side of the family and One for my Mom's
side of the family. Then I resized, cropped, and optimized my fotos and
am slowly reinserting them into FTM.

It's a big job but the work is progressing. I'm also making sure to
insert the Source Citations for each document as I'd hate for some
future geneation to think "Wonder where he found that?" Here is an
example of how I'm doing it with each record:

The Texas Connection to the America Revolution Association is going to
be sending a group to Washington, D.C. for the 4th of July. At this
point it is very possible that I'll be driving the float. why don't all
of you Texan's come to DC with that group and join in the parade?

here is their website:

http://www.tcara.net/

thanks,

joseph

ps: my Mom was probably born in either El Paso or Juarez but my Perez
side was in Juarez for at least 3 geneations before that.

I did get a response back from Joseph and it looks like the information for
the bishphoric of Guadalajara is filmed by the LDS.

I suppose one day I may decide to take a look at it and see what is in there.

I would still love to see what is in your books however.

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From: mmg8938
Date: Thu Jun 01 22:33:46 CDT 2006
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] limpieza de sangre

Have you gotten any info on your question?

I have a book; have not seen it in a long time....but I could find it if
needed. It had the priest and his ancestors listed. I may have gotten that
in Spain.

When you ask where could they be found....probably in the Franciscan
Archives....wouldn't you think? Most probably there because I do not think
they would be at the Archivo de la Nacion.

Now, I need to find that book. It will give the info that you need.

Mickey

for everyone's information:

1) You can't add attachments to emails as they will be stripped as in
the recent message by Ernie on the photo he included. If you want to
show the group a photo then upload it to the Album area and copy the
link of its location then send the email to the group with the link
enclosed.

2) Email sent to the group have a limit of 100 kb which is a lot but can
be exceeded if not careful. If you have an email that is larger than
that then contact moderator@nuestrosranchos.org for advice.

3) Files bigger than 2MB cannot be uploaded to the site. If you have a
file bigger than that then it is advised that you break it into chunks
smaller than 2MB each and upload the individual pieces. Contact
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org for advice if needed.

thanks,

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Somos Primos June 2006 lq-1 Table of Contents
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spjun06/spjun06.htm

Dear readers,

I hope you all enjoy a wonderful summer with family and friends. Many
have mentioned vacations with family research as part of the activities,
others are planning to attend conference. Please feel invited to share
your experiences and fact finding. Somos Primos reflects you the readers.

This notification is sent as a service. All 77 issues of Somos Primos,
back to January 2000 can be accessed from the home page,
www.somosprimos.com.
If you prefer not to receive the monthy notification, please let me know.

Warm regards, Mimi

NATIONAL ISSUES
Wells Fargo, Sponsors " The Latino OC 100"
The Mexican Border: Fleeing the Throes of Revolution (1912)
Se Si Puede brings HOPE and Dreams into Reality.
On Being Black at a Latino March
Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities
Immigration issue is complex and requires bilateral solutions
100 Years in the Back Door, Out the Front
Undocumented, Indispensable
Hispanic Influx to Hawaii

Action Taken
Writing Letter to Editor and government officials by Frank Sifuentes
City of Monterey, California
Texas Longhorn Breeders Association of America

For those of you that can read Spanish here is that file Susana Liniski
sent in which is 800+ pages of information on Zacatecas on two Word
files (part 1 and part 2) that can be found in the "Files" and in the
"Reference Material" and under "Notarias y Otros de Zacatecas" or you
can go directly there via this URL:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14507

I'm sorry but I just haven't had time to look through it very much, but
will look closer when time permits. If some of you or if Susana wants to
give a report or overview of the material covered that would be wonderful.

thanks Prima,

joseph

I remember reading somewhere that priests were required (prior to Mexican independence) to submit a certification of purity of blood (limpieza de sangre). These certifications were basically genealogies going back a few generations.

Does anyone know where the archives of these documents can be found?

Has someone in the group seen one and have a sample of what they look like?

Much apologies for the delay in forwarding this to the group. Here is
some information sent to me by Susana Leniski. The attachments she is
referring to have been uploaded to the website (Files) -->(Reference
Material) area of the group: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14507

[Sorry the Zacatecas word file was too big and will have to be upload
another time].

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: ZACATECAS
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:53:12 -0700
From: Susana Leniski
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <000701c677d5$fc324490$6401a8c0@DDQTT981>
<446BE2E1.8050404@nc.rr.com>

Susana Leniski wrote:

I saw this message on RootsWeb and was wondering if any on the group
have heard about the Zacatecas City records being kept in the "Museo
Archives to protect them from decay" ?

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Zacatecas Films Message: Read
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:18:15 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
To: makas@nc.rr.com

Subject:
microfilm
From:
eaherold@att.net
Date:
29 May 2006 10:56:46 -0600

To:
MEX-ZACATECAS-L@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GaC.2ACE/1023

Message Board Post:

It is possible you can't find film because

1) Laguna Grande was not a large town before the dates
you mentioned and baptisms, marriage and death information was recorded in the records of another larger town nearby

2) the records are located ath diocean archves and have not been filmed

3) they are in Zacatecas city in the museo archives for protection from decay like the early records from Zacatecas City and Fresnillo. There is a rumor that the films in this archive may be filmed.

______________________________

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject:
Re: Laguna Grande Baptisms - FHL Microfilm Research
From:
eaherold@att.net
Date:
29 May 2006 10:58:44 -0600

To:
MEX-ZACATECAS-L@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GaC.2ACE/1022.1

Message Board Post:

It is possible you can't find film because

1) Laguna Grande was not a large town before the dates
you mentioned and baptisms, marriage and death information was recorded in the records of another larger town nearby

2) the records are located ath diocean archves and have not been filmed

Listen to some new podcasts that the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast
project has received permission to link to:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/history.html#cris (Cristero War)
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/misc.html (Maps & Hispanic
Society of America)

Also very soon we'll have more contributions from Frank Moreno Sifuentes:

Stella By Starlight
Pedro Chaisse

I'm also very thankful that Frank has recruited one of his friends from
Austin, Tx., Ramon Moncivais to work on contributing oral history
podcasts for the project. I'm also looking forward to having some new
Poetry for the podcast.

thanks,

joseph

I've sent this message out to the Ranchos Yahoo Group:

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Sorry about this scare. You all thought that the Yahoo Ranchos was Dead
and here it is raising it's head again. Kind of reminds me of a joke
I'll share with anyone that emails me requesting it.

This is a special notice and probably the very very last message you'll
get from the Yahoo Ranchos Group. I'm sending this out because some in
the Yahoo Group never transitioned over to the new site located at:
http://nuestrosranchos.org

If you are one of the ones that never transitioned your membership has
been deleted and you'll have to go through the "create new account"
option at http://nuestrosranchos.org if you want to be part of the group.

It might be a couple of days before I get around to deleting the old
non-transitioning members so if you just happened to be one of those and
don't want me to delete your membership please Rush to your keyboard and
FIRE off a quick email to makas@nc.rr.com asking that you not be
"Deleted" from the group.

If you know of someone that is not participating and might be too shy to
ask for technical help please encourage them to email me. I will do my
best to help them easily navigate the new group.

If you think you are part of the new group but are not receiving emails
then something is wrong and you need to send an email to me at
makas@nc.rr.com so we can see if your membership needs a bit of tweaking
to make it right.

thanks,

joseph

Joseph Puentes - Owner/Moderator of Ranchos Yahoo group

Joseph and Arturo,

While entering films for Teocaltiche, I made an incomplete entry and in trying to go back to correct it I created a new entry for the same film rather than correcting the original entry. The entry is for Baptisms, Batch # C024197, years 1640-1786. This batch does not have a film # associated with it, don't know if this is because it was a compilation of films or loose pages or other. In any case I wanted to notify you so you would know who created the error. Maybe you can remove the first one I created that was incomplete.

Thanks for your help,
Alicia

Amen. . .I totally agree. We in the USA owe a lot to our fallen heroes.
we should take every opportunity to thank vets not just on Memorial day
but every opportunity we have. Read past the quote for another idea:

[[[We pay our respects to all the fallen heroes. Perhaps the most
profound tribute of all was made on the first national memorial
observance in May, 1868, by then - General James A. Garfield when he
said: "They summed up and perfected, by one supreme act, the highest
virtues of men and citizens. For love of country they accepted death,
and thus resolved all doubts, and made immortal their patriotism and
virtue."]]]

I for one like to remember the Fallen Heroes in my Family, injured and
seriously affected as well, but we should think of those and honor those
that were just there. Here is my list and I hope you will take the
opportunity to list your family (feel free to list even if they are from
other areas or ethnicity's):

Died in Action:

Miguel Diaz - Santa Paula, CA - WW2
Miguel Puentes - San Jose, CA - Vietnam

Wounded in Action:

Eduardo Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW2
Frank Ascarate - Santa Paula, CA - WW2

Served in Action:

Manuel Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW2
Frank Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW2
Jose Refugio Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW2
Carlos Puentes Espinoza - Santa Paula, CA - Vietnam

Registered and Ready to Serve:

Joseangel Diaz - Santa Paula, CA - WW1
Julio Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW1
Antonio Puentes - Santa Paula, CA - WW2 (deferment)

We pay our respects to all the fallen heroes. Perhaps the most profound tribute of all was made on the first national memorial observance in May, 1868, by then - General James A. Garfield when he said: "They summed up and perfected, by one supreme act, the highest virtues of men and citizens. For love of country they accepted death, and thus resolved all doubts, and made immortal their patriotism and virtue."

Hispanics have been loyally involved in all the wars since the “War of Independence” for the United States of America to the present war in Iraq. United We Stand!

MEMORIAL DAY

THE 40
Latin-American
Congressional Medals of Honor
1864- 1970

Admiral David Glasgow Farragut

A Hispanic American of Spanish descent, Admiral David Farragut was the U.S. Navy's first full-fledged admiral of the rapidly expanding Navy in the Civil War.

Although most recipients were recognized soon after their acts of valor, others, such as Vietnam War veteran Alfred Rascón and WWII veteran Rudolph Dávila, had to wait decades. We list them along with their fellow soldiers in war.*

Civil War

Sergeant Joseph H. De Castro (Boston, MA)
1864 U.S. Army

Regular Seaman John Ortega (Spain)
1864 U.S. Navy

Regular Seaman Philip Bazaar (Chile)
1865 U.S. Navy

Boxer Rebellion

Private France Silva (Haywood, CA)
1901 U.S.M.C.

World War I

First Lieutenant David Barkley (Laredo, TX)
1918 U.S.Army

World War II

Private Joe P. Martinez (Taos, NM)
1943 U.S. Army

Staff Sergeant Lucian Adams (Port Arthur, TX)
1944 U.S. Army

Sergeant Jose M. Lopez (Mission, TX)
1944 U.S. Army

Staff Sergeant Macario Garcia (Mexico)
1944 U.S. Army

Private First Class Harold Gonsalves (Alameda, CA)
1945 U.S.M.C.

Private First Class David H. Gonzales (Pacoima, CA)
1945 U S. Army

Private First Class Silvestre S. Herrera (El Paso, TX)
1945 U.S. Army

Private First Class Manuel Perez, Jr. (Oklahoma City, OK)
1945 U.S. Army

Technical Sergeant Cleto Rodriguez (San Marcos, TX)
1945 U.S. Army

Private First Class Alejandro R. Ruiz (Loving, NM)
1945 U.S. Army

We now have three members who have contributed to the GEDCOM database. We have a few other people who asked for accounts to be set up but have not yet uploaded data.

If there is anybody who would like to put their genealogy data (even if it is just a fraction of what you have) in this searchable database, please let me know and I will be happy to help you get it online. I think that building the database, particularly ancestors from the earlier centuries (those that we might share with other members) would be incredibly helpful for the group.

Also, the films database is a very valuable tool and I am quite sure that we don't have even half of the relevant batch numbers entered in there. If anybody has some spare time and is familiar with the familysearch website, it would be great if you could volunteer some time and get some more films and batch numbers in there.

If you think you can and are willing to help please let me know and I can guide you. You can begin by browsing through the films list and at the bottom of each state listing there is a list of municipios for which we have no films entered.

Thank you Alicia,

Sure sounds like an interesting story. I will answer him. Maybe he
has some leads to my Romero/de la Torre family.

Linda