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Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's
been almost two years since I've been there viewing
the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't
have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.
 I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll
keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I
hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or
more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls
just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time
frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso
films and how they are indexed.  

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. 
> The 1930 Census 
> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913
> and my grandfather 
> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records
> to come to KC's 
> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)
> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:
> 
> > Joseph, this is a good topic.
> >
> >  Since I have my grandfather's

Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. The 1930 Census states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913 and my grandfather in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records to come to KC's NARA or what? Thanks. Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:

Joseph, this is a good topic.



Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of

an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at

least I hope these are good dates.



This is what he wrote down on his application:



He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908

Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.

He states he was coming to remain permanently

He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two

friends

He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX

I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my

grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -

Port of Entry - El Paso.



Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El

Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX.

The

I know that NARA has the following record available,
but I was unable to determine if I can order it
through my local family history center. It doesn't
appear that I can.

"A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 

at:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379

I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
not even sure has information on my
great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help?

Chris Pineda

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My gr-grandparents and grandparents and relatives came through 
Laredo Texas in March 1916. They went from Jerez Zacatecas to 
Aguacalientes to catch the train but the trains had been knocked out 
so they walked and road on to Monterrey.In the recording of my 
grandfathers sister she says her father held all the money for the 
group and she, her husband and baby got separated. At the border 
they charged $5.00 to delouse the group before they could cross so 
after her parents and the rest of the family got through, Paula her 
husband Donaciano and baby had no money pay for delousing so they 
walked up the road and crossed the river, they found the rest of 
their family waiting on Texas side of the boarder. Once in Texas 
they worked as sheepherders and farm laborers, they learned 
armadillo taste like chicken. They were in Texas throu 1917 saving 
money to move on. Paula said sometimes people would be nice to them 
letting them camp on their land and have water, other times they 
were

Joseph, this is a good topic.

Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of
an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at
least I hope these are good dates.

This is what he wrote down on his application:

He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908
Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.
He states he was coming to remain permanently
He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two
friends
He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX
I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my
grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -
Port of Entry - El Paso.

Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El
Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX. 
They don't have an index for Eagle Pass and hopefully
will purchase this because when you go through the
microfilm it's in date order everyone that came in
that day and year, it's not in alpha order and unless
you know the date it's looking for a needle in a
haystack.  

My question would be:  Since I have

Jofes, I never knew you were BORN in Mexico. Where were you born? Memarge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question

when asked what I am:



"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"



Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA



I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better

not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was

here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the

United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how

would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from

them.



And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when

I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I

almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day

this black woman saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said,

The word Guadalajara is from the Arabic  Wad-al-hidjara, meaning "River Running Between 
Rocks"


Here is a good tongue twister about the town in Michoacan with the long name:

El otorrinolaringologo de Parangaricutirimicuaro se quiere 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar porque si no se 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizara lo van a 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar.

"The eye-ear-nose-throat doctor in Parangaricutirimicuaro wishes to stop practicing in 
Parangaricutirimicuaro because if he doesn't stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro they 
will make him stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca"  wrote:
>
> Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
> read (in Spanish).
> 
> However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
> Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
> incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15

I'm in contact with a fellow podcaster who has a podcast on "Ports of
Entry." (http://homepage.mac.com/ms5/POE/) Basically a lot of info on
immigration records. Great for us to learn more on this subject.

I know it has nothing to do with our specific area but if you have
questions that I might be able to incorporate into an interview I'd
appreciate your help.

What do you want to know on this subject?

thanks,

joseph

Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
read (in Spanish).

However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15 years and I 
heard "Guanatos" a lot.

I use it every now and then. I don't know the origin of it, but I 
suppose people say it just to abbreviate because "Guadalajara" is a 
long word.

Saludos.

Steve

PS. By the way, talking about long words, last september, on my 
honeymoon in Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San 
Juan Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>

Hello Joseph,

If you mean Spanish pronunciation, there is just one correct way to
pronounce the word Guadalajara.

(gwädä-lä-härä)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guadalajara

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>

has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.

I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara

joseph

Emilie:

My grandfather actually came through El Paso in 1908
and lived in Canadian, Texas, worked for the Panhandle
Railroad.  I have the census for Canadian, TX and at
that time there were about 50 to 60 Mexican families
just starting out in this small railroad town, they
moved north up through New Mexico and then into KS,
they also worked the beet fields in Nebraska during
the summer months, but always came back home to Kansas
City.  However, my grandfather had brothers after
leaving Canadian, TX that also went West to CA., to
live.  It's interesting to always find out but usually
when they came across it was with their neighbors they
had in Mexico that later became their neighbors in
Canadian, TX and so on, they kept their neighbors
close to them.  

I would say their migration was about survival and
their jobs, wherever their jobs took them, they had to
pack up and follow and for my grandfather it was the
railroad.  Emilie, try research immigration papers for
your family if you

Susana I feel confident that our Muro lines will end
up as being connected...since my line has ended in
Villanueva where I've hit my brick wall...I have a
feeling we will end up in Jerez very soon just have to
find where they will connect somewhere near La Troje,
I know we found Muro's in La Encarncion so we are very
close.



--- Susana Leniski  wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> I din't get the attachments in this mail. I saw in
> the map the places that you mention. Definitly they
> are very close, and the names match. My line Del
> Muro ended in La Troje (very close to La
> Encarnacion).
> I don't know if you've seen the page from Salvador
> Cabral. It has some of my information that I sent
> him, but I belive that he made a mistake on the
> oldest records. Unfortunaly he doesn't include
> sources.
> 
>
http://usuarios.lycos.es/jerezacatecas/archivo/indexm/muro2/pafg01.htm
> 
> susana
> 


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Carol, I loved hearing about your research and results. You are a true inspiration to me and to others. I enjoyed our having coffee after doing research. Marge:)

On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Carol Turner wrote:

My story - I always wondered why do I live in Kansas?

Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's wasn't easy

at times.  My paternal grandparents were here by 1916

and my maternal in the early 1920's in the state of

KS.  In doing my research and going back in time, I

found many stories that touched my heart of what my

grandparents had sacrificed, suffered and what their

lives were like when they first got here...it wasn't

easy.  My parents were told they couldn't speak

Spanish in school and that we need to try to "fit in"

with the others.  I went from Mexican to being a

Chicana to being Mexican American or Hispanic is what

they call us now.  We lived on the Westside Community

until I was 4 and then moved to Rosedale in KS which

at that time was predominately

My story - I always wondered why do I live in Kansas? 
Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's wasn't easy
at times.  My paternal grandparents were here by 1916
and my maternal in the early 1920's in the state of
KS.  In doing my research and going back in time, I
found many stories that touched my heart of what my
grandparents had sacrificed, suffered and what their
lives were like when they first got here...it wasn't
easy.  My parents were told they couldn't speak
Spanish in school and that we need to try to "fit in"
with the others.  I went from Mexican to being a
Chicana to being Mexican American or Hispanic is what
they call us now.  We lived on the Westside Community
until I was 4 and then moved to Rosedale in KS which
at that time was predominately Anglo.  They sent me to
St. Agnes and I grew up in this community and
basically still in this community.  Things change over
the years, St. Agnes is now 35% Hispanic and the
numbers are going up.  We have more Hispanic
celebrations