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Emile, you are great.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Victor,
> 
> As usual your observation is as astute as always.  I
> did identify with some of the debaters, those that
> took the middle road.  I think we all need to get
> together and advance our situations by sticking
> together and not going off on tangents to the
> extremes, such as the Aztlan group.  It is
> unfortunate that those in that group do not realize
> that people like Pat Buchanan stir the Anglo
> populace up by making it look like that fringe group
> speaks for us all, and that we are all into
> "Reconquista" which brings up to the Anglos the
> specter of armed brown hordes seeking to re-conquer
> the land.  We are slowly re-conquering anyway, due
> to the American economy being so dependent on cheap
> Mexican labor in manufacturing, agriculture and
> services.  We just need to tone down our resentments
> and work towards ensuring that this country

Not only blacks...
Sorry to say that not only blacks have denied their
own race but many of those of Mexican blood have done
the same, even in my own family.  Such shame can be
spread among most of us.  Most of this shame is due to
ignorance.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Here is an interesting article in the San Jose
> Mercury News titled, ''DNA is undeniable''. It was
> sent to me by my brother, very interesting and so
> relevant to what we have been discussing this week.
>    
>   Alicia
>    
>   DNA is undeniable -- we're all closely
> related``Every year,'' I once overheard my father
> say jokingly to a friend, ``thousands of Negroes
> disappear.'' I remember my 8-year-old imagination
> going into overdrive, picturing people zapped from
> their homes in the middle of the night. It was only
> as I grew older that I realized that the people my
> father was talking about were choosing to disappear,
> running away from

Rosalinda, I had not heard of this author or poem before.  It's the 
first time in a long time I cried while reading something.. so 
powerful.. I can understand why Joseph wants it recorded.  Thank you 
for making me aware of it. I love this group!

Linda in Everett

>From what I remember, the Black Legend refers to how
the English tried to portray the Spanish. It refers to
the idea that the Spanish had a cruel streak within
them, as evidenced by the Inquisition that was
happening in Spain to the known abuses that some
Spaniards inflicted on Native Americans. The Black
Legend is sort of a case of the victor writing the
history--especially, after the English victory over
the Spanish armada in 1588, making the English the
undisputed ruler of the seas.

I hope this helps.

Chris Pineda

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> What is the Black Legend?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 


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Aha!  Now I think I know how surnames came to be so confusing in Mexico.  John

What is the Black Legend?

joseph

Emilie and all,

I've been enjoying your messages and agree with you about identifying 
myself as Mexican.  My 25 year-old son said it best when he told one 
of his friends that his parents were both Mexican, so that makes him 
Mexican.  He is pretty Americanized, but still appreciates his 
Mexican culture.  He doesn't define himself by his ethnicity, but 
that doesn't mean he isn't proud of it.

Emilie, I chuckled at your comment about Aztlan.  I'll have to 
remember to ask if it's south, east, north or west of Atlantis next 
time I hear it.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Linda,
> 
> When some Anglo says "you don't look Mexican" it means that you 
don't look like his idea of Mexicans formed by most of the Mexicans 
he has seen---field or orchard workers, very dark, made darker by the 
sun, very small due to their mostly Indian blood, pitch black hair 
and eyes, poorly dressed, not too clean due to their constant labor 
in

For your information:

Publications by El colegio de Michoacán, including a few that deal
with "Nueva Galicia" and other historical topics.

http://www.colmich.edu.mx/publicaciones/indices/indice_titulo.asp

Victor
México

Good write up...
I have in the past felt that same way as you have
written.  And this is the reason I enjoy and indulge
in genealogy--to learn who I am and where I came from.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@...
wrote:


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The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and
multicultural groups.  What do I call myself?  Who am
I?  Much of the pain of the generation that follows
the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of

I was asked this past week at work (I'm a library clerk) by a black gentleman if I had Indian blood. I responded that I did, on my father's side but that it was so remote as to be almost impossible to name. (Moctezuma's daughters are my ancestresses.) My father's father's mother probably had Indian, but what kind, who knows?



Anyway, I wasn't insulted just surprised. The funny thing is is that my features are my Scots mother's but my coloring is a paler version of my dad's. I have salt and pepper hair like my Jerezana grandmother and her almond-shaped eyes. I have funny colored eyes...I don't think they're those eyes we were discussing earlier in December. Sometimes if my skin flushes or I'm red from being out in the sun, they're almost hazel. I DO consider myself Hispanic as opposed to Mexican because I had more Scots influence in my formative years and I'm married to a South American of Italian descent, so our family is more continental than Mexican. But I can't and don't

Good write up...
I have in the past felt that same way as you have
written.  And this is the reason I enjoy and indulge
in genealogy--to learn who I am and where I came from.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@... wrote:


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The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and
multicultural groups.  What do I call myself?  Who am
I?  Much of the pain of the generation that follows
the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of ancestry.  How
can I call myself a Mexican when I can speak only a
rudimentary Spanish and only visited the birthplace of
my grandma and great-grandma once?  When I visit
Mexico, I recognize its beauty and its devastation,
and when I land in the United States, I am happy to
drive my sedan, go inside my condo, and turn on my tv
to "Law and Order."  Both my parents are of Mexican
descent, but both were born in the US.

Linda I understand about them words. I consider myself a Mexican Indian
female. And I dont like it when someone calls me Chicana, Hispanice or
Latina. Because to me I am none of them titles. Just my 2 cents.

              ~~glo~~







From: "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] dialoge of the dead?
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:08:57 -0000

Joseph, WOW!!!!

What a great format for airing our concerns about who we are as a
group of people as diverse and any other ethnic group!

My father hates to this day the word "Chicano" because in his younger
days in California it was used in a very negative, gang style manner.
To him it's a put down and very militant.  I guess that's how we pick
up our own racist attitudes, we learn them at home... I still cring
when someone calls me Chicana.. so much to unlearn and with the help
of forums like this I'm getting better!

thank you again Joseph
Linda in Everett