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Rita Hayworth was not only an excellent and beautiful
actress, she had talent.  Any Hispanic that made it in
Hollywood in the '40s had be super beautiful and
talented. 

Regarding red hair...
Red hair runs in my wife's family; her
great---grandfather was also from Andalusia (Seville).
 Also, I've seen a number of families from Los Altos,
Jalisco, with red hair.  Like I said, the women from
Los Altos are very beautiful.  My wife gets real upset
whenever a gringo asks her if she is Spanish; she
always tells them "I'm Mexican, not Spanish"!

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Susana Leniski  wrote:

> Some members mentioned Rita Hayworth (Margarita
> Cansino), and I decided to write about her. 
> She was the daughter of Eduardo Cansino. He was a
> dancer born in Seville, Spain. In the Andalusia
> Region. He immigrated to America (New York) where he
> married. Margarita was born in New York city. Years
> later, the family moved to Tijuana, Mexico. Here,
>

 

Mary:

 

You are correct.  You didn't find it in the dictionary because of the spelling,  the word is:  "Hocico" and it means snout.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.

 

1gnzlz@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Allen

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:45 AM

Subject: RE: [ranchos] Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza

I'm surprised I could not find the word "osico" in my dictionary.  But as I recall, it is not really bad in itself.  Correct me if I am wrong, but it means "snout" or the mouth of an animal.  What makes it "bad" is who says it, to whom, why and how.   When the mother said it, it just surprised the students because
they didn't expect it of her.  It's not something a nice person would say to others.    As a teacher, I have heard it on the playground and they were fighting words.   

 

Mary

 

I have an ancestor named Pablo Alverto Morillo from Las Tetillas, Jerez, Zacatecas. He married my ancestress Juliana del Carmen Villavicencio but I don't know when. They were the parents of Maria Antonia Morillo and of Joseph Sostenes Morillo. Maria Antonia married one of my Saldivar ancestors. I'd like more info on the Morillos, such as who are HIS parents and where are they from?!!! Marge, who gets frustrated at the adobe walls she finds....grrrrr.:(

  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE CARDENAS

  Mother:  CATARINA MORILLO



I have some additional information on Bartholome DE CARDENAS and

Catarina Morillo's family if you would like to see it.  I am not

related to this family, as far as I know, but I have been holding on

to this information because my 6th great-grand father was Bartholome

De Cardenas married to Barbara Gutierres during this same time period

in Colotlan.  I can't imagine there being two Bartholome De Cardenas,

so I thought perhaps they were the same person and he

Peggy:

There are a number of Tuxpans... There is actually another Tuxpan in 
Jalisco, which is in the south of the state and there is also a 
Tuxpan (perhaps the best known one) in Nayarit.

There are a great number of RAMOS in the Totatiche area... most I 
think descendant from one of the Tlaxcaltec families that came in 
1591 to Colotlan.  Mine is not from these lineages but rather from a 
name change that occured around 1785.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> Hey!  I, just recently, found that I DO have a connection in 
Totatiche........I have ancestors, Jose Leonisio Hernandes married 
Maria Manuela Ramos married in Totatiche on 04/271768.  Although I 
can't find Maria Manuela's record of birth there, I have a record for 
her brother and sister: Joseph Alvino Ramos, born 03/12/1759 and 
Maria Martina Ramos, born 11/14/1756.
> I also have  a record for Jose Leonisio's sister, Maria Guadalupe 
Hernandes, born 12/26/1755.
> 
> Can I add these

You are correct, Mary.  The reason you didn't found the word is
because the correct spelling is hocico.

And it is not a bad word in itself.  But it is an impolite and even
offensive expression to say to others because it implies that you're
dealing with animals.  

It is as impolite as asking someone before entering your house to
"límpiate las patas", because as we know only animals have "patas" and
humans have "pies".

These kind of expressions are acceptable only jockingly with close
friends or sometimes they reflect a mother's frustration with a
difficult child.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> I'm surprised I could not find the word "osico" in my dictionary. 
But as I recall, it is not really bad in itself.  Correct me if I am
wrong, but it means "snout" or the mouth of an animal.  What makes it
"bad" is who says it, to whom, why and how.   When the mother said it,
it just surprised the students because they didn't expect it of

I don't know spanish :o(

so what did she really say?  If it's too bad use the @%#%$%^#@^  symbols, please.

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Margarita Vallazza
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:30 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos, Dientes, Lengua, Cabeza

When my dad was teaching my mother Spanish, he was teaching her bad words. She was taking citizenship class and the



-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Margarita
Vallazza
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:30 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Ojos, Dientes,
Lengua, Cabeza

When my dad was teaching my mother Spanish,
he was teaching her bad words. She was taking citizenship class and the
teacher asked my mother to take care of the class while she stepped out. As
soon as the teacher left, the class was buzzing. My mother, very
authoritatively, told the class to "Callense el osico," thinking she was
telling them to be quiet. She said you could hear a pin drop, and someone told
her what she had really said. Marge:)

On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:35 PM,
Joseph Puentes wrote:

John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in
Jalisco, where
people are

When my dad was teaching my mother Spanish, he was teaching her bad words. She was taking citizenship class and the teacher asked my mother to take care of the class while she stepped out. As soon as the teacher left, the class was buzzing. My mother, very authoritatively, told the class to "Callense el osico," thinking she was telling them to be quiet. She said you could hear a pin drop, and someone told her what she had really said. Marge:)





On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

John Gonzalez wrote:

If you would like to see some of the beautiful eyes in Jalisco, where

people are complimented for having "Ojos Tapatios", go to gdlclub.com

go the section titled : Editoriales, Especiales and and move your

pointer down to "Ojos Tapatios," click there and you will see beautiful

"Ojos Tapatios".

Cool. I looked and saw that some of the men were shown (truthfully the women were my choice for the most beautiful). . .so do men have Ojos Tapatios tambien?



well I'm not so

I can also attest to that.  Angie is one outstanding 
genealogist/analyst.  A while back she helped me connect with another 
Ranchos member.  I had looked at her report and missed the connection, 
but lucky for me Angie didn't.

Kudos Angie--I'm glad you're part of this group.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> You're a peach!!!!  Do you know when you look and look and look and 
somehow
> you just say, "ok, I'll go back and search again, but not now.." 
because
> your eyes are crossing and you're getting frustrated?!??!?!?  I could 
never
> find this after searching for weeks and BAM - like a little angel you 
bring
> me this little piece of my puzzle!  Thanks!
> 
> 
>   Good luck on your search,
>   Angie Godina
> 
> 
>

Welcome back, Arturo.  And happy new year!

Looking forward to read more about your trip in your next messages.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> I just got back from two and a half weeks in Mexico.
> 
> 

Susana and Arturo,

Read my message about ADABI.  How about contacting that group and ask 
them to consider these records for a project?

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Susana:
> 
> If you read my previous message you will note that there are in 
fact 
> a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
> not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
> deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
> don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
> they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film 
and 
> is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.
> 
> There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
> there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
> permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
> pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.
> 
> -

Hello all,

Let me know if you can help. I recently learned that
my great-great grandfather served in the Mexican
cavalry in Zacatecas, perhaps around Tlaltenango,
although there might be some connection to Torreon,
Coahuila as well.

His name was Pedro Pineda, and he was probably born
between 1844 and 1864, as his son, my
great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda was born in 1884. Any
help would be appreciated...as of now, I don't really
know anything more about him, aside from the fact that
he had a wife named Pioquinta ____dosa. Also, does any
one know if there were any military engagements in
Zacatecas around this time that involved the cavalry?

Chris Pineda
pineda37@...


		
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-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of aajay1073
Sent:
Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:08 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Ramos and Cardenas
Familes

Peggy,

Are Maria Manuela's parents,
Juan Domingo RAMOS and Feliciana
Victoria CARDENAS?

If so, here is
their marriage record:

JUAN DOMINGO RAMOS
  Male
Groom's
Parents:
  Father:  DIEGO DE SANTIAGO
  Mother: 
BERNARDA DE CASAS
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FELICIANA VICTORIA DE
CARDENAS
  Marriage:  15 FEB 1733   San Luis, Colotlan,
Jalisco, Mexico
Bride's Parents:
  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE
CARDENAS
  Mother: