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Joseph,

For some reason I can't open the attachment. Can you save it in the 
files section?

Maria
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> In that death cert for my GGG grandfather, Tadeo Diaz. What do you 
think 
> the letters mean on the left:
> 
> M. E. ad ? is it ad or something else. I would guess the E is for 
> Espanol but what about the M and ad?
> 
> joseph
>

Edward Serros wrote:

Joseph,

Just trying to dull your "ax". I don't want you swing too hard and hurt yourself.

I'm an old woodsman from way back. I used to and still do heat a
majority of the time with a wood insert and split wood. One way to keep
from hurting yourself is to keep your Ax razor honed to make sure it
"bites" and doesn't glance off like a dull Ax is likely to do and catch
a leg. My Ax is currently ready to go, but I'm really expecting that
most on the Ax list will communicate and not stay on the list.

thanks for your concern, just trying to be fair to all.

joseph

ps: in an effort to keep this on topic, what kind of trees do they have
in Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes.

pps: well here is a better effort. Check out this death cert for my GGG
grandfather. It seems he was a woodman too, but unfortunately he got in
the way of a Palo. That almost happened to me once. And it was one big palo!

Ed

Arturo,

I participated in the study years ago.  However, they have not started 
publishing mtDNA results yet.  They plan on publishing them to their 
website sometime next year.

I would encourage everyone to participate. You could potentially have 
your pedigree chart extended many generations by participating.  Here 
is an excerpt from their website:
"The corresponding pedigree chart is also extended by staff 
genealogists as far as genealogical databases allow; extended pedigrees 
currently include over one million ancestral records."

My brother and I both submitted our samples along with our full gedcom 
file (not just the 4 generation pedigree chart they require).  They 
hide all information on living individuals, so you don't have to worry 
about privacy.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> I am thinking of joining the study being conducted by the Sorenson 
> Genealogy Foundation.  They are basically linking documented 
>

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
I don't unsubscribe members becasue they 
> simply didn't submit their genealogy report. The way I figure some folks 
> are in "extreme" non participant mode and I do these "Ax" sessions on 
> average of once a year to 18 months. I think this is my 3rd go around. 
> I guarantee you that I have not unsubscribed anyone in the past that 
> didn't even email me and say something like the above. and I view them 
> as reasons not excuses. Afterall "life does happen."
> 
> I guess I am subjectively defining "participation" in this and in past 
> emails of this sort as: "Participation in the ranchos group is emailing 
> me either directly or indirectly once every year to 18 months saying you 
> have some reason why you can't send in your genealogy report."
 

Joseph,

Just trying to dull your "ax". I don't want you swing too hard and hurt yourself.


Ed

I am thinking of joining the study being conducted by the Sorenson 
Genealogy Foundation.  They are basically linking documented 
genealogies with yDNA and mtDNA markers so that people can use their 
database to get clues as to origins and to break throughbrick walls.

Has anyone looked into this or participated in this?  It is interesting 
to use their database.  I have been able to find matches for 18 of 19 
yDNA markers and the corresponding genealogies are mostly in Brazil!

http://www.smgf.com/about_smgf.html

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote>
> 
> I just looked at the group member genealogies. Here is the official 
> count: we have 109 members but only 77 genealogies. that means that 
> there are 32 members that have not turned in your representative tree 
> connecting you to our group study area. I know a good ten of you 
> possibly 15 have talked to me and bought yourself some time before the 
> official "Ax" date of January 31, 2006
> 
> Anyway if you are one of the 10-15 people that talked to me asking for 
> more time beyond the January 31, 2006 deadline then in about a month or 
> so please contact me off the list with a "reminder" that you talked to 
> me. I'm going to make up a special email folder this time around for 
> those that have communicated with me. For all other new members I just 
> want to say that "communication" will get you an extension. Lack of 
> communication will get you. . .well, I guess that's why I call it "Ax" 
> day. In the

Alicia, Leticia et al:

Humildemente me retracto de mi sugerencia anterior.  Es verdad que 
ellos vienen a nosotros... suelen venir en ocasiones inesperadas y 
siempre con algun mensaje inesperado.

La mayoria de lo que he aprendido a traves de mis investigaciones han 
sido temas que no buscaba y definitivamente mis ancestros que he 
llegado a conocer son diferentes a los que imaginaba.

Gracias por recordarnos que es necesario mantener una mente abierta y 
mucha paciencia.

p.s. Mis dos hermanas se llaman Leticia y Alicia (por coincidencia).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> Leticia,
>  
> Muy bien dicho el que ''ellos vienen a nosotros". El hecho de 
precipitarse en cuestion de los ancestros es causa de desviacion o 
equivocacion. Debemos mantenernos abiertos mentalmente hasta que 
ellos (los ancestros) nos señalen la via correcta.
>  
> Cordialmente,
> Alicia Carrillo
> San Jose, Ca
> 
> leticia leon  wrote:
> si, he visto

Irma,

You could save the map to a file then open it up in photo editer 
program.  Crop it to remove all the white space from the sides then 
resize it to your page (8x11.5).  Make sure when you resize it that 
you maintain the same proportions.  Usally in the photo editer 
programs there is usually a check box for that.  You should then be 
able to print.

Good luck.
Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero" 
 wrote:
>
> What a jewel.  I can several of my ranchos.  Is there a way to get a
> copy of the entire map.  I am able to view the entire map, but can 
only
> print out the left top portion.
>  
> Irma
>

si, he visto solo de paso esa decendencia pero nada que llegue a mi acendencia; un compañero dijo que en cuestion de genealogia "nosotros vamos hacia ellos, ellos no vienen a nosotros": oñate, el apellido se extendio por toda la iberia y no tengo ninguna noticia de cual region podrian ser los mios. Muchas gracias por la orientacion.

Arturo Ramos escribió:

Lili:

Have you explored the possible descendancy from Juan de Onate and
clan?  The name seems rare enough that it is likely most Onates in
Mexico are descendants of the same family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Onate


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lili pinzon"

Joseph,

 

If you can read recipes in a book and

Interesting map
Thanks for the map.  I found a ranch or pueblo where
one of my greatggggmothers once lived-S. Jose de la
Isla, approximately on the year 1797.  I also
confirmed the road that once ran through my
greatggggfathers ranch Lo de Luna; the road was a
direct line from Jerez to Zacatecas, and my
great--uncle Tiburcio Duarte in 1815 charged the
stagecoach line for passing through his ranch or road.


Albert Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> I've put this link to the 1876 map of Jalisco in the
> Links area under maps:
> 
>
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/RANCHOS/maps/IstDraft2_copy.jpg
> 
> thanks Gloria Delgado for providing the map from the
> UC Berkeley Library.
> 
> joseph
> 
> 





		
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Hi Ed,

Thank you for responding and for your insights. It has spurred me on
to more research.

After much searching I finally know my haplogroup. I went back to
FamilyTree/Ancestry.com and looked up my results again. They did not
list my haplogroup but referred me to a Haplogroup motifs website
http://www.stats.gla.ac.uk/~vincent/founder2000/motif.html

My haplogroup is U5a1a. From my mtDNA. You are correct in assuming
my dad is dead. His sister is also dead and left no biological
children. My brother will give me his YDNA sample to research with.

Thanks for the information

but my research is for the towns of jalostotitlan and san miguel el alto

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lili pinzon"  wrote:
>
> sorry, forgot to say that part of the family stablished in Jesus 
> Maria, Jalisco, the ranch is called Mesa de Oñate, neighbor to ranchos 
> Puertecito and Paso Bajo owned by familia Leon, decendants of De Cos Y
> Leon. So Long Leticia Leon Morales
>


Lilli,

I have run across a number of Oñate family members coming over from Spain on my review 
of Archivos en Red. Unfortunately I can not tell you which year it was since I had no need to 
make copies. I have reviewed every record in the Pasajeros list from 1635 to 1790 which is 
the time frame you will find the Oñates; quite a number came over. If you use the Archivos en 
Red, be very patient.

Ed

Lili:

Have you explored the possible descendancy from Juan de Onate and 
clan?  The name seems rare enough that it is likely most Onates in 
Mexico are descendants of the same family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Onate


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lili pinzon"  wrote:
>
> sorry, forgot to say that part of the family stablished in Jesus 
> Maria, Jalisco, the ranch is called Mesa de Oñate, neighbor to 
ranchos 
> Puertecito and Paso Bajo owned by familia Leon, decendants of De Cos Y
> Leon. So Long Leticia Leon Morales
>

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
wrote:
>
> Victor.......is this the complete
message? It appears that you left off in
> the middle of a
sentence......Thanks! Josie
>
> _____
>

Josie, it
looks like the message got truncated.  Below is a copy of that same
message.

----------------------->

That's a keen observation and
a good question about the number of differences in our mtDNA in relation to the
CRS reference.

Let's start by saying that the CRS (Cambridge Reference
Sequence) is just an arbitrary reference selected by some team of geneticist
that were among the first to study the genetic sequences of mitochondrial
DNA.