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I took a trip to look for my grandfather's birthplace and I found it!
The house where he was born is nothing but adobe ruins, but I expected
that, since he was born in 1875 and the family left it in 1917 to come
to California...The ranch, "Los Portales" is located about three miles
south of Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. That town is full of beautiful
girls...The whole town is in a festive mood already. Decorating for
the August 15 Fiesta.
I also found a living cousin in one family line and three others that
I am pretty sure are related. I need to look at

City Hall......
My 3 uncles went to Mapimi, Durango, to get copies of
their birth certificates in and about 1952, also.  The
Mapimi city recording clerk charged them $5.00 for
their certificates; he offer to put any date they
wanted on the births certificates!

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> I have a link to my father's family tree in
> WorldConnect in the files for this group.  My
> grandfather was Francisco Olague and my grandmother
> was Gorgonia Garcia.  I have searched the IGI and
> the LDS films for Jerez, but have not been able to
> find a birth record there for either of them, nor
> for my father. My father obtained a birth
> certificate by going to Jerez and hiring a lawyer
> there prior to his filing for Social Security
> benefits. Francisco's father was Pedro Olague and
> his mother was Rafaela Tinajero.  Yes, that is my
> father's Social Security record you found in the
> SSDI  I was just relating the story of how and when
> my immigrant father came to the

I took a trip to look for my grandfather's birthplace and I found it!
The house where he was born is nothing but adobe ruins, but I expected 
that, since he was born in 1875 and the family left it in 1917 to come 
to California...The ranch, "Los Portales" is located about three miles 
south of Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. That town is full of beautiful 
girls...The whole town is in a festive mood already. Decorating for 
the August 15 Fiesta.
I also found a living cousin in one family line and three others that 
I am pretty sure are related. I need to look at some more data to 
analyze and find the connection to them.  I visited Santo Toribio's 
Church in Santa Ana. It is a beautiful and well kept place of worship. 
I was told by one of the workers there, that since he became a saint, 
everybody named ROMO or GONZALEZ is trying to establish a relationship 
to the saint. "Where were all these relatives when he needed help?" He 
asked...

Note to Irma Gomez Lucero:

I have some specific

Kitty 
How fascinating. I went to Mountain View High
1960-1961... new school Chester F. Awalt last 3
{1961-1964} years. I recall Stevens Creek Dam quite
well. My older brother and I loved the recreational
facilities {fishing},and Barbque pit area.
Permanente Creek...well it was my turf. Poison oak and
all... I would venture that Creek from one sector ro
another...on to Layola Corner and Mc Kelvey Park.

 I've enjoyed the stories immensely(sp).  Real people,
time, suffering, sacrifice, and family.

Thanks for sharing.

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, CA

--- Kitty Cortez  wrote:

> Jose,  
> My father also immigrated in 1920 at the age of
> 7years old.  He along with
> his brother (age 6) arrived with their mother
> Concepcion Tato Chiono.  They
> settled in Santa Clara, California 
> Jul 1914, Concepcion Tato b. Banamichi, Sonora,
> Mexico, married Pietro
> Chiono b. Italy, who was in charge of the silver
> mine in  Banamichi.  In
> 1917 Concepcion Tato lost her daughter Ma. Antonia

My Castanon ancestors left El Durazno, District of Jerez Zacatecas 
in March 1916.  The revolution hit El Durazno when the Federales and 
and Revolutionaries fought each other in the fields around El 
Durazno.  The followers of Madera arrived first, looting the 
village, stealing  food, blankets and anything they could carry, 
they then fled into the countryside.  Later the same day the 
Federales were seen coming from Jerez, the families would hide their 
young women to protect them after a girl was stolen from Los 
Rodartes across the road. The Federales took gr-grandpa Vicente 
Castanon (1866) and trussed him to an ox-yolk, his daughter said it 
looked like they crucified him, they stood him against a wall and 
prepared to shoot him because he couldn't give them the information 
about the Revolutionaries they wanted. For some reason they let him 
go but destroyed everything that the Revolutionaries had missed. 
They even burned the beans and the corn they feed the animals.

 The two

They've all been excellent stories but this one wins!!!! What an interesting narrative. Thanks for sharing it. Marge:)

On Aug 2, 2005, at 1:15 AM, jose munoz wrote:

Great Story Alicia,

I wish to share the following with the Group... My

father Elpidio Tristan Munoz{Mar 04, 1906, immigrated

in 1920 at age 14 ... he was a mojado {wet

back}...never was naturalized nor did he desired to

be. My grandfather and Grandmother entered the U.S.

{March 1920},... sought Eleudoro {John} Tristan (May

04,1892 - July 18,1985}, my Grandmother's brother} in

Texas. My father was a die hard when it came to

Mexican citizenship,SLP, up to his death in Feb 26,

1968.



Immigration Alien registration numbers for my

Grandmother, 2 Aunts and 2 Uncles.



Alien Report: GUADALUPE MUNOZ  No. 3929605           

        United States Department of Justice

Alien Report: EVARISTA T. MUNOZ   No. 3983409        

           Immigration and Naturalization Service

Alien Report: JOSEPH A. MUNOZ      No

What were the names of your grandfather and grandmother?  The 
baptismal records of the parish in Jerez, Zacatecas are extracted 
through the end of the 1800s on the LDS Church's IGI database, so you 
should be able to find their records there, but there are lots of 
Olagues in that city so you will need some more information... Do you 
have a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate or know what his 
maternal (second) last name was?

Go to http://www.familysearch.org and select International 
Genealogical Index on the left and then type in your last name and 
select Mexico and Zacatecas in the region fields at the bottom.

I take it this social security death record is your father's?

Guadalupe OLAGUE   
    Birth Date: 28 Jan 1903  
    Death Date: Sep 1966  
    Social Security Number:  523-12-6413  
    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  Colorado 
  
  Death Residence Localities 
    ZIP Code: 95112  
    Localities:  San Jose, Santa Clara, California 


--- In

Great Story Alicia,
 I wish to share the following with the Group... My
father Elpidio Tristan Munoz{Mar 04, 1906, immigrated
in 1920 at age 14 ... he was a mojado {wet
back}...never was naturalized nor did he desired to
be. My grandfather and Grandmother entered the U.S.
{March 1920},... sought Eleudoro {John} Tristan (May
04,1892 - July 18,1985}, my Grandmother's brother} in
Texas. My father was a die hard when it came to
Mexican citizenship,SLP, up to his death in Feb 26,
1968.

Immigration Alien registration numbers for my
Grandmother, 2 Aunts and 2 Uncles.

Alien Report: GUADALUPE MUNOZ  No. 3929605            
        United States Department of Justice
Alien Report: EVARISTA T. MUNOZ   No. 3983409         
           Immigration and Naturalization Service
Alien Report: JOSEPH A. MUNOZ      No. 3929606        
            Alien Registration Division
Alien Report: FRANCES M. TORRES  No. 3929604          
          Washington, D.C.
Alien Report: JOSE T. MUNOZ JR.     No. 3929603

Are you an immigrant? 

Jose Munoz,  CA

--- Natalie  wrote:

> A few weeks back someone mentioned the book, "Rain
> of Gold", which told 
> the immigration story of the author's grandfather
> and grandmother.
> So - can you share your immigrant ancestor's story?
>   - When did they come to the U.S.? How long did
> their journey take? 
> Did they come alone or with a group? Was their move
> to U.S. meant to be 
> temporary or permanent? Where did they settle? What
> did they think of 
> their decision to move from their home in Mexico?
> What traditions did 
> they bring with them? How many generations ago did
> the immigration take 
> place? (Are you the immigrant?)
> I hope this is not being too nosey - and thanks for
> sharing your 
> stories.
> 
> Matalie Coleman, VA
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:55 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Immigration
stories

Natalie,

 

I am the one who recommended the book "Rain of Gold'' and I am the
immigrant.

 

I was brought here to San Jose´ Ca when I was two years of age. Mom said
that my father sent for her and the 3 children and this was in 1952. My sister
was almost five, I was two and a half and my brother Rigoberto was one year
old.

 

Mom said we flew to Ensenada which has a military airport called El
Cipres. We were picked up by an aunt and went to stay with them for a short
period of time in Maneadero Baja Ca until my dad could get someone to come
pick us up as he was a mojado (wet back) and could not cross the
border.

A family friend came to pick us up and he traveled with us on the train
to

A few weeks back someone mentioned the book, "Rain of Gold", which told 
the immigration story of the author's grandfather and grandmother.
So - can you share your immigrant ancestor's story?
  - When did they come to the U.S.? How long did their journey take? 
Did they come alone or with a group? Was their move to U.S. meant to be 
temporary or permanent? Where did they settle? What did they think of 
their decision to move from their home in Mexico? What traditions did 
they bring with them? How many generations ago did the immigration take 
place? (Are you the immigrant?)
I hope this is not being too nosey - and thanks for sharing your 
stories.

Matalie Coleman, VA

Rosalinda, et. al.

I thought I would share this with the group.  Thanks to Angies 
meticulous analysis of my family tree data, we have discovered that I 
am decendant of Joseph Cayetano Grano (Rita and Eucevia and 
Josepha's) father in a total of six different ways...  I guess we are 
cousins in more ways than we thought.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"  
wrote:
> Arturo--
> 
> May I invite myself to this party?  I too am descended from Rita 
Margarita Grano and Pedro Pablo Gonzalez.  Angie is my cousin as 
well.  Rita is my great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.  I 
actually relate to her a total of five different ways.  I'll send you 
my email address so we can correspond.  I have found another cousin, 
courtesy of the Ranchos group!  Thanks, primo Joseph!
> 
> Rosalinda
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: arturoramos2 
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 7/12/2005 8:49:46 AM 
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: New member - Grano Family
> 
>

Joseph,

Why is it that those last three messages keep posting themselves?  
Seems to happened once a month...

Angie

Hello Everyone,

Here is another friendly reminder. Since reaching near maximum capacity
in the files area I have needed to close them to new members and place
their genealogies in YahooBriefcase. I will make up a folder in this area
for them and place a link in the "links" area of the group to these folders.
As always only group members will have access to anyone's genealogies. The public will not have access. 

To prevent new members from voluntarily putting their genealogies in the files area and running us dangerously near our limit I've closed the files. They are still available for viewing by the members but additions, subtractions, and any updating needs to go through me. I'm sorry about this but it's a problem created by trying to keep this group 100% FREE to the members. If we had lots of money to blow we could purchase file space and hire an IT person to run it and just concern ourselves with Genealogy. Unfortuneately that is not the case and these limitations need to be

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Thanks to everyone who entered their information.  I think it will 
become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up, 
you are given that "Search This Table" input box.  If you type in a 
surname or a location, it lists out all the people searching that 
surname and or location.  A very useful feature, be sure to try it.

The fields in the table are: Name
Email Address    {optional}[but provide it anyway, jp]
Research Surnames    {Surnames you are researching.}
Research Location    {Cities, Towns, Ranchos that your ancestors are from.}
My Location    {Your current location - optional}

So once you

The Ministry of Culture in Spain has a website that has many of their 
archive documents online.  I am just now trying to figure out how to 
use it.  Try this link... it has instructions in English.  The 
webiste is only in Spanish:

http://www.ldelpino.com/aeren.html

The "catalogue" is a seven volume publication for of the passenger 
lists through 1599... Below is the Library of Congress entry for the 
books, as well as a link to other LOC resources on Spanish 
immigration to the New World.  I live in Washington DC so that is 
where I will probably access these (if I can't do it online) but I 
imagine other large libraries have copies as well.  I believe that 
the LDS has filmed the entirety of the passenger lists through the 
18th Century but those films do not circulate to local Family History 
Centers... so you will basically have to go to Seville or Salt Lake 
City to see them unless the online access works.  I am crossing my 
fingers that it does.

LDS Calatog under "Pasajeros a

Is the below library catalog accessible by the
Internet? Please let me know.

Albert Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos wrote:

> Has anyone attempted to find their ancestors'
> immigration records from
> Spain, i.e. ship passenger lists of immigrants to
> Mexico, etc.
>
> From what I have been able to tell, the best bet is
> the Catalogue of
> Passengers to the Indies published by the