Alberto Duarte and the St. Xavier catholic church in El Paso

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near 5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)

On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:


Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias

clan members in El Paso if you go to the old

neighborhood and search for them. 



Your grandfather was probably well know in the old

barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old

barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.



As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you

can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my

Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,

Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other

parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my

greatggggfather was probably the

Tamales and mole

Irma,
 
Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods are very similar, this must be one of those foods.
 
Alicia

Irma GomezLucero wrote:
Alicia,
    You're making me hungry.  My parents used to make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits.  Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
Irma



From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

Esperanza,
 
These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.
 
My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.
 
In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves

Alberto Duarte and the St. Xavier catholic church in El Paso

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
neighborhood and search for them.  

Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.

As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you
can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my
Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,
Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other
parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my
greatggggfather was probably the patriarch of the
Duarte clan in Zacatecas!

Use the Mormon library to gather your genealogical
information.  Get a microfiche copy of all the Macias
in Zacatecas and start researching them one by one,
starting with those with the same first and last name
of your grandfather's.  

Don't over look any Macias, no matter what part of
Zacatecas they came from.  Believe me, the chance of
you being related to them is very

Tamales and mole

Alicia,
    You're making me hungry.  My parents used
to make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits.  Unfortunately we didn't
appreciate it because of the lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco.
Irma



From: Alicia Carrillo
[mailto:alliecar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re:
Tamales and mole

Esperanza,
 
These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last
25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.
 
My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales
with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family
culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.
 
In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves in their culinary skills. My
mother is renowned for her mole, pozole, tortas de camaron con nopales,
capirotada, all types of atoles. Atole de piña, de maizcena, atole blanco etc.
My mom has this great dish

Can Someone Collect the Songs?????

I love these songs. Can someone look at the messages from a few days
ago and collect all the songs into one message and send them to me.
I'll make up a file and put it in the files of Ranchos2.



thanks,



joseph



Steve G. Apodaca wrote:

I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
  
How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
    
your lap,
  
being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
 
Riqui ran, riqui ran,
Los maderos de San Juan, 
piden pan, no les dan.
Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
    
one of
  
their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
 
My

Tamales and mole

Esperanza,
 
These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.
 
My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.
 
In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves in their culinary skills. My mother is renowned for her mole, pozole, tortas de camaron con nopales, capirotada, all types of atoles. Atole de piña, de maizcena, atole blanco etc. My mom has this great dish that she makes called patas de puerco en salsa cruda. It's labor intensive but oh sooo good. She makes this agua fresca with romaine lettuce, fresh orange slices, lemon slices, sugar and yerba buena and other fruits if desired and is served only in the summer when it's very hot. She lets the ingredients sit in the very cold water for a couple of hours and is served in a tall

Immigrant stories in Rain of Gold

In the book, Rain of Gold Victor Villasenior recounts his family's struggles when they leave Mexico. Some of the major struggles were not when they arrived in California but when they were in Mexico beginning in Los Altos de Jalisco and on to Chihuahua and at the borders with Mexico/United States.
 
He gives such vivid and compelling stories of the hardships they encountered all along the way. He describes how the Americans who ran the mines exploited the natives and how the mothers and abuelas managed to hold the families together when the men left to come to the US in search of a better life. I think most of us can relate to this either as a personal experience or experienced by our parents, grandparents or great grandparents.
 
I highly recommend this book to all of you if you haven't already read it. See comments below from Amazon.com.
 
Alicia
 
From Publishers Weekly
Novelist ( Macho ) and screenwriter Villasenor recounts the adventures and struggles of three generations of his

Racial Classifications

Gloria

She send you an E-mail and says no reply recieved. You
can send mail at this address. 

Jose

--- glo Sandoval-Fuentes 
wrote:

> Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is
> she on this group also?
> 
> gloria
> 
>                ~~glo~~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: jose munoz 
> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green

Pinole

Emile, things were so rough for Mexicans in Hollywood
in the 20's thru the 50's, that Mexicans were not
given jobs on the sets, but they were not even allowed
on the grounds!  So for anyone of us to make in
Hollywood at that time, we had to be great and
cunning. That only shows you who are God's chosen
people; but we still have a long ways to go.

Alberto.

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Alberto,
> 
> My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero
> espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after
> settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery
> stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and
> auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he
> would still be there attending Catholic schools and
> colleges, like his cousins who have remained there
> to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc. 
> Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife,
> and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony
> tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He
>

Alberto Duarte and the St. Xavier catholic church in El Paso

Alberto;

What an interesting memory! My Grandparents, (Feliciano and Rosa
Macias) donated the land to the church on which St. Xavier Catholic church
was built. Most of my aunts and uncles were married there. I was looking for
a relative and found the name in the records of marriage there. My Aunt
Aurora told me that it was not surprising and that I would find her and her
sisters there also. That was news to me.


My grandparents lived and died there in El Paso. My Macias line starts
there for me and it was nice to see your entry about that area. My dad,
Felix Macias, met and married my mom here in Los Angeles. I have never been
to El Paso, though most all of my branch of the Macias line still lives
there. I don't know where my El Paso relatives live there and know no one
there that could tell me where to look. I have a brick wall where it comes
to my great grand father -Francisco Macias because he is from somewhere in
Zacatecas. He had a ranch/farm there and that

Other Ranchos Info FYI

Hello:

Indeed, Tangancicuaro is a municipio in the state of Michoacan. It 
is located very close to the city of Zamora. Last year, my 
girlfriend and I drove all the way from Jalisco to Patzcuaro, 
Michoacan. We stopped at several places in Michoacan, and one of 
them was the lake of Camecuaro in Tangancicuaro. Beautiful place. 

So Tangancicuaro is not in Jalisco. All names that end up in -cuaro 
have their origin on Purepecha, the ancient language of Michoacan.

By the way, do a google image search on "Tangancicuaro" 
or "Camecuaro" to see the beautiful images in that municipio.

Saludos,

Steve

PS. I apologize for getting out of the target area with this 
message. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Erlinda Castanon-Long 
 wrote:
> Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a 
city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she 
is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be 
what I've been looking for, a

Other Ranchos Info FYI

Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be what I've been looking for, a different state!
thank you, Linda

"Steve G. Apodaca" wrote:

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire"
wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD

Other Ranchos Info FYI

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a 
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They 
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of 
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs 
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire" 
 wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny 
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
> (city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I 
really
> enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
> like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda



Pinole

Alberto,
 
My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he would still be there attending Catholic schools and colleges, like his cousins who have remained there to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc.  Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife, and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He lived like a little prince, and all that came to an end when his mother became a single mom with three kids in Northern California.
 
Yes, lots of families moved to California in the twenties, thirties and forties and after after the war.(WWII)  My father who had immigrated from Jerez, Zac. moved us from our farm in Colorado to Northern California (San Jose) in 1947 where he could work as a welder for Westinghouse and make good

Atole Song and El Paso

I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
> How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
your lap,
> being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
>  
> Riqui ran, riqui ran,
> Los maderos de San Juan, 
> piden pan, no les dan.
> Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
one of
> their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
>  
> My parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The 
children
> used to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand Spanish.
>  
> Has anyone else heard this rocking song?
> Just wondering...
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus

Racial Classifications

Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is she on this group also?

gloria

              ~~glo~~





From: jose munoz 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)

I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.

I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles.

I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

OK, Joseph.

I'll wait while you revise the text.  If you already have something 
worked out with John, I think he can manage the translation on his 
own with no problem.  Of course, if any of you want my opinion just 
let me know.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Victor thanks,
> 
> I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to 
> include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like 
for "me" 
> to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send 
both 
> you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you 
both 
> are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most 
Spanish 
> speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.
> 
> Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a 
little 
> while before I have my first section done.
> 
> thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and 
John 
> the first section
> 
> thanks

Other Ranchos Info FYI

I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny was
born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
(city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I really
enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda 



Atole Song and El Paso

How
about the following song sung to children who are sitting on your lap, being
rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
 
Riqui ran, riqui
ran,
Los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan, no les
dan.
Les dan un palo detras
del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of one of their arms, and do a gentle
chopping on the back of their neck)
 
My
parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The children used
to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand
Spanish.
 
Has
anyone else heard this rocking song?
Just
wondering...
Irma



From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus@...]

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:59 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atole Song and El
Paso

My husband's great-grandfather came from Jalisco to El Paso in 1895. My
husband was born in El Paso in 1935 on Overland Street.  He last lived in
the Alamitos Projects in the Segundo Barrio until his folks divorced in
1947 and his mother moved them to California.
 
My

Pinole

We lived in a one room apartment near Washington Park,
across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church. 
The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
very poor family, there were six of us counting my
grandmother.

El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s, including
one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a couple
of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
opportunity.

Alberto.
--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I lived
> across from Sacred 
> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my
> life.  As a kid, I 
> hated going across the border because it was so
> unfamiliar to be and 
> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> beggars, and the 
> language.  I was always afraid

Cortes and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

Esperanza
Our Luna line from
Tlaltenango were born between 1726-1812.  Most of them are children of
Vicente de LUNA and
Feliciana MAGALLANES.  Our direct line ancestor is Ynes Gertrudes LUNA b.
22 Jan 1748 one of ten children of Vicente and Feliciana.  Ynes's sibling
is Joseph Gregorio LUNA Magallanes, I think that is still too far back to be the
GP of your Ma Trinidad LUNA.
I'll keep
looking
Kitty
Cortez



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
latina1955@...
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:45
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Cortes
and Sandoval, Tlaltenango, Zac

Rich and Kitty,
 
While I have been able to find some information (with the help of others)
on Herrera family tree line, I have been rather limited in finding out the Luna
line from Tlaltenango.  Will you visit my information and see if there are
any connections?
 
Esperanza (Lunalatina@...m),
but if you want to respond privately, I use Latina1955@

Help With My English: PLEASE!!!

Victor thanks,



I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to
include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like for "me"
to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send both
you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you both
are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most Spanish
speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.



Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a
little while before I have my first section done.



thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and
John the first section



thanks much. . .gracias a los dos,



joseph





Victor Villarreal wrote:

Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote

Pelicula en Espanol, Sin Dejar Huella

We just saw a great movie tonight. We rent many foreign movies through Netflix and many movies in Spanish. The spanish movies we most enjoy are the ones from Mexico although you must be careful because many of them are pretty trashy. Through Netflix you can read the movie ratings and reviews on their website and put them on your list to order. Many movies from Spain are also good but sometimes I have difficulty understanding their spanish.
 
The one we saw tonight is called Sin Dejar Huella.  I thought of this group as it began in Ciudad Juarez and El Paso TX, they proceed south to Torreon, Veracruz, Yucatan Peninsula and on to Cancun. It shows the juxtaposition of the Mexican/Español and how the myth is perpetuated that the Español is the better educated, more cultured and the Mexican is less than. It has a great story line, is well done and a good ending. I highly recommend it and it has english subtitles for those who don't speak spanish although you would miss out on the great

Atole Song and El Paso

My husband's great-grandfather came from Jalisco to El Paso in 1895. My husband was born in El Paso in 1935 on Overland Street.  He last lived in the Alamitos Projects in the Segundo Barrio until his folks divorced in 1947 and his mother moved them to California.
 
My husband remembers going with his grandpa "Tata" across to Juarez on the streetcar to do all those things that some of you remember doing. I told my husband about the discussions here, and I asked him if he had ever had atole.  "He said, of course", and he started singing a little song about it:
 
       -----pasen a tomar atole,
              todos los que estan pasando,
              que el alole esta muy bueno,
              y pronto se esta 'cabando----
 
            Then he went into a military like cadence, and some of the rest of the song goes:
 
        -----rana, rana, cola de rana----
 
         -----el zapato de Augustin
                se los puso el chapulin-----
 
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
 
My

Pinole

Where did you live in El Paso at that time? I lived across from Sacred Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my life. As a kid, I hated going across the border because it was so unfamiliar to be and because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the beggars, and the language. I was always afraid, although no one would have harmed me but that's how I was then. Now, I can appreciate everything about it, including the interesting architecture. Marge:)





On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:


Good and sad times:

We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the

early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were

really expensive for us to buy in the United States

(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also

purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El

Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad

remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,

maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were

wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just