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Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Who is the English Major in the group? I really really need help 
getting 
> the following form letter into the proper English before I work 
with 
> John and anyone else that would care to join in translating it into 
Spanish.
> 
> Can someone help me with the English?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: its okay to tear it to shreds and rewrite if that is what it 
needs. 
> All I care about is that the basic information be included.
> 
> ====================
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/. We are a small but 
dedicated 
> group of serious researchers. Here is the description of the group 
from 
> our home page:
> 
> "This group is for

Good and sad times:
We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were
really expensive for us to buy in the United States
(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El
Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,
maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because
of greed and ignorance.

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into
> Juarez with my aunts 
> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of
> the merchants had 
> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> cones--sometimes piñata-type 
> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't
> get it too often, 
> though.  Marge:)
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> wrote:
> 
> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a
>

When I was a kid, we would cross the border into Juarez with my aunts and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of the merchants had a display of pinole. It was sold in paper cones--sometimes piñata-type paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked it...didn't get it too often, though. Marge:)

On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero wrote:

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for

breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:



      El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.



Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My

engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their

letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to

pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,



-----Original Message-----

From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pinole



Talking about food...

I wonder how

My wife cooks 95%-99% of the food mentioned so far.
Yes, I'm spoiled, but not overweight, thanks to her.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> We called them tamales dulces.  They are pretty
> good.  Has anyone ever had
> tamales de elote?  Those are wonderful too.  
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Tamales
> 
> 
> Joseph, we must be the other family that eats raisin
> tamales, my mothers
> family is from Jalisco and my Zacatecas family
> thought they were crazy!
> Linda
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> "Mexican
> >>genealogy is like a 
> >>big bowl of tamales, you never know what you're
> >>gonna get".  You may 
> >>pull out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
> >>coconut, sugar and 
> >>raisins.....
> >>
> Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom was the only one
> that made these.
> 
> Boy could

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for
breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:

	El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.

Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My
engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their
letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to
pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,

-----Original Message-----
From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Pinole

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is a high
energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed with brown sugar
(Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes either lemon or orange
peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of Chihuahua use it as a staple
food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with meat accounting for about
less than

Hi Linda,
	These sound like tamales de elote.  They grind raw corn--not dry
corn.  Corn that you would eat for corn on the cob.  I don't recall what
they mix the ground corn with, but they place the mixture into the corn
husks, again green corn husks and they steam them.  Then you eat them warm
with butter.
Yummy!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:49 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tamales

When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in Guadalajara our
hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a roadside stand that she
frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made with corn oil, no meat
fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had never seen that before but
they were very sweet just as they were.

As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I didn't
recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating more healthy,
cooking much plainer and

>>
"Mexican
>>genealogy is like a
>>big bowl of tamales, you
never know what you're
>>gonna get".  You may
>>pull
out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
>>coconut, sugar and

>>raisins.....
>>
Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom
was the only one that made these.

Boy could I eat a dozen by myself
right now (but not all Raisin). I
guess I'd have to say that Pork with
lots of "gordo" on the meat are my
favorite. but I can't eat Tamales that
have been cooked, cooled, frozen
and warmed up [well I guess I

-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:52 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] The book, ''Rain of Gold
''

A great book to read to get some perspective on how our ancestors lived
and how and why they left during the revolution is Rain of Gold by Victor
Villaseñor, or Lluvia de Oro. I read it in both Spanish and English and I
cried both times. It also gives some insight into what the immigrants
experienced when they came to the US. For those of us who have our roots in
Mexico it's a very powerful book, very

That's something else my grandma would have cooking on her stove...camote. She would serve yams or sweet potatoes cooked in brown sugar (or peloncillo) with milk in a bowl. I never ate them, but my older sister Lissie just loved them.



Marge:)

 

By the way, my father used to like to eat cooked yams in their skin, and he and my mother would pour a little half-and-half and smoosh it in like they were making whipped potatoes.  I eat them out of the skin, too, but I eat them plain.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA.

 

Marge,

You brought cherished memories back.  Those sayings are all too well 
known by me and my brothers.

The version my mother remembers from her childhood, whose words we 
were tickled to, is "andaba la hormiguita, buscando su leñita, llegó 
la lloviznita y corrió, corrió para su casita". Even my daughter 
enjoyed as a child laughing openly when being tickled by her grandma.

I'm sure you must remember this one: "este dedito se halló un 
huevito, este lo coció, este lo peló, este le echó la sal y este 
gordito se lo comió" while at the same time the fingers were ran from 
the little toe to the big toe.  Who else remembers?

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
> My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se 
> levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little.  
> Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, 
is "habia 
> una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio,

My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little. Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, is "habia una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio, corrio para su casa." And she would be walking her fingers up my arm and tickle me at the end of the story.



Marge:)

On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

Alicia,



You beat me to the saying "El que tiene más saliva traga más pinole",

but have you heard the one that says "No se puede chiflar y tragar

pinole al mismo tiempo"?



I guess that's the Mexican equivalent of "you can't have your cake

and eat it too"



Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> John,

> 

> Have you had atole de Pinole? If you haven''t you must try it, esta

muy sabroso! You can make atole de pinole with milk or water or milk

and water. Many people add sugar and cinnamon. It''s a

What a wonderful story you have shared! When I went to Jerez in late
November 2000, I was only there for a few hours because the altitude
was killing me...my husband and I stayed in Zacatecas city and man!!!
was I ever sick. We cut short our trip and flew to Juarez, crossed the
border to El Paso, spent the night at my sister's house, drove to
Albuquerque, and then drove home to KC.

I loved being there...and wanted spend more

What a wonderful story you have shared! When I went to Jerez in late November 2000, I was only there for a few hours because the altitude was killing me...my husband and I stayed in Zacatecas city and man!!! was I ever sick. We cut short our trip and flew to Juarez, crossed the border to El Paso, spent the night at my sister's house, drove to Albuquerque, and then drove home to KC.



I loved being there...and wanted spend more time there. As far as I know, my grandmother had no living relatives there left, I did touch base with some very, very distant relatives and spoke about family history. My grandmother's madrina was Trinidad Berumen, which is the name of a famous poet's mother. There are numerous family names we share.



Let's do more of this! Marge:)

On Jun 26, 2005, at 1:02 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

My paternal line is also from District of Jerez Zacatecas. In 1936 my father was there for 3 months working and living with his grandparents (Sanchez/Reveles.)  He said

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)

I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
city.

I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas. I believe
even she didn't

all messages sent to the group are archived on the home page. go there
and click on messages and you will see everything we ever talked about
with a very few exceptions.

joseph

lrapido wrote:

I am sorry.
I somehow deleted a message from a person asking about Teocaltiche
Please send the message again.  I would love to answer it.

John Gonzalez





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