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Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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HI,,,dumb question...i dont know much about my father,,,actually nothing,,,and apparently i descend from the guerrero family not so much the esquivel...anyhow,,the question is..which dna test should i get to insure the most comprehensive results

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Me gustaria recibir los comentarios de los miembros de nuestros ranchos a
esta direccion de correo , se puede? porque antes de que me robaran mi
direccion de correo electronico yo recibia todos los comentarios en mi
correo y ahora no me podrias ayudar con eso.
Muchas gracias de antemano, Martha Gomez

Hola a todos.
Soy de nuevo ingreso en este foro y quiero investigar la genealogia e historia del apellido Sanchez Castellanos (Hacienda del Cuidado, Zacatecas).
Adjunto el enlace del poco avance que llevo:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/valdesla

Espero que les sea util y tambien que me puedan ayudar.

Saludos
LAValdes

Emilie,
 
I see that you mention some Llanos Valdes in your ancestors, I´m interested in that family because I´ve been tracing the roots of  some very good friends from Morelia,  Mex who are descended from Juan José Llanos Valdes y Agustina Carlos de Godoy , more exactly, from a daughter of this couple, but I haven´t found yet the name of her; I´ve seen that they had a daughter Felipa but don´t know the name of her husband, I only know that the last name of Felipa´s husband (or her sister´s husband) was Erazo and that they had at least one child : Don Rafael de Erazo y Llanos Valdés who was the father of don Clemente de Llanos Valdés who came to in Morelia with his great-uncle : Jacinto de Llanos Valdés, and here Clemente became a Supreme Court Judge and originated the above mentioned family.
Don Jacinto de Llanos Valdes was the brother of the lady who gave birth to Don Rafael de Erazo y Llanos Valdes; my question is : Do you happen to have the  names of the children of Juan José y Agustina or some information about the Erazos ?
 
Carlos

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Attached is the link to the frenchman I was referring to who was from Jalpa Zacatecas and he married in Nochistlan. He married an Olasava, and It's one of my distant relatives, that's why I bothered to read the entry. See the name Blondel from Obisbpado de Land, Francia, the date is 11 Nov 1886.

Adjunto se encuentra el enlace para la partida de Matrimonio de el primer Frances que he encontrado en los archivos de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. La fecha es del 11 de Noviembre de 1886, originario de Land Francia con el nombr de Marcelino Blondel, caso con Agustina Olasava de Tlachichila, Zac.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15697-34520-7?cc=1410092&wc=…

Alicia

I cant seem to find any church records for Tomatlan, Jalisco. I heard the church had burned however am unsure if all records were lost. Or is there another church that was used for marriages, baptisms and deaths? Any information would be helpful. Thank you.

Thank you, Joseph...well said! Anna Miklovic

On Jul 7, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Seldom do I get involved in interfering with a topic, but I was wondering if
there is an interest in setting up a subset of the group that would have
FULL rein to talk about anything absolutely no restrictions??? IF so please
email me PRIVATELY at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org and I'll put you on a list.
If there is enough interest (five or more) then I'll create a yahoo group
and you all can go at it, free-for-all.

In the meantime why don't we move on from the FRENCH thread or those
involved/interested can take it to private email.

Email me and I'll set up that list for y'all.

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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Hello Everyone,
I know this family line has been talked about before on here.
I was recently able to trace my great-grandmother's family all the
way back to a Ysidro Miramontes who married Bernarda de Avila on
Jan.21,1709 in Tlaltenango, Zac. The record states his parents are
Lorenzo de Miramontes and Maria de Santiago.
Using the Gedcom database on here I found a Lorenzo Miramontes but
he's married to an Ana Diaz de Santiago. The name is somewhat similar
and I wonder if they are the same couple. Ysidro Miramontes is not
listed in the Tlaltenango Families database but I believe he could be
their son. Any helpful information would be appreciated.

Gustavo Carrillo

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Armando,

Thanks again for explaining about the nucleobases not being the same as the haplogroups.

Now I have a question about Family Finder. Is that part of FamilyTreeDNA on their website? Does it cost extra? I only signed up for the $99.00 kit when it went on sale for half price a few months ago. I am on a fixed income. In this economy $100 dollars is a lot of money for something we don't really "need", which is why it is difficult to get people to do it.

I did a Google search for a haplogroup T and I found an explanation on Wilipedia. Apparently they are from India? and were the first people to develop agriculture. Maybe that is why I love to pull weeds and work in my garden. The T I think is part of the list of "mutations" they sent me, along with A and G and C, but now I think I am back to confusing the nucleobases and haplogroups.

My father's surname is Olague, and in the 1980s I went to the Navarre area in Spain where a Spanish friend from Pamplona told me her folks had a "chalet" near a town called Olague. They thought my husband was the Olague since he is fair, and they didn't realize I was the Olague. They all had bright blue eyes, and were mostly dairy farmers. We saw lots of spotted cows walking back to the barns by themselves past modern houses with TV antennas and nice small cars in the driveways. They were busy preparing for some kind of festival in front of the only public building we saw, kind of like a bar/inn, white plaster with pretty flowers in planters along the balcony, the men dressed in white with red bandanas and berets on their heads. They were nice, but we didn't get any information; they were just pleased we liked their little town, etc.

I have an image of a marriage record, but I am having trouble understanding the handwriting. Is there someone here who can translate the document for me. I can read and understand Spanish, but the handwriting of this time is giving me a headache. I will email the file to anyone who is interested in helping. Thanks in advance.

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Les agradeceria su orientacion:

Para localizar informacion matrimonial de una pareja ¿cuanto tiempo atras se debe buscar con respecto a la fecha de Matrimonio?
¿Solo se puede encontarar abriendo imagen por imagen?
Saludos a todos
Luis A. Valdes

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I was raised to say Mande Usted whenever my parents or elders called me. It was a sign of respect, but also good breeding (bien criado) per my mother. She would get disgusted whenever she would hear my cousins (who were also raised in the US) say "Que?" To respond, "Que" was considered rude and low class unless you were speaking to another kid.
After taking countless Spanish classes in the US, I learned to say, "como?" but always reserved the Mande Usted for my elders. "Diga" somehow sounded a bit rude and condescending to me. It's almost like you're telling folks to spit it out and say what you want. My parents would never say this even to me as their child.
I guess it varies from culture to culture. My parents are/were from Los Altos de Jalisco. I find that we're a bit more stuffy than other folks from the rest of Mexico and Latin America. I learned of other examples as I began to learn Spanish as a second language.
In present day Mexico, I don't think it has anything to do with nobility or social status. I still hear my cousins in Mexico use this term even with me when we're the same age.

My cinco centavos.
Irma GomezGtz---- N. California

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:39:45 -0700
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Roy,

You mentioned differences in usage of words in Spain vs Mexico in addressing people.

There is one other thing that I was aware of growing up with a Native American mother from New Mexico and a Basque-mestizo-mulato father from Zacatecas. He would scold us if we said, "Que?". He insisted we say "mande usted", but my mother refused to do that. She would say "nadie me manda". She would say "como?" or "que?". I noticed in Spain they don't use that term, "mande", and since the New Mexico "manitos" used an old Spanish dialect and were isolated for so long from the centers in Mexico, if that is the reason.

In our Spanish class in school, we learned to say "Como?" or "perdon?", not "Mande", and I noticed in Spain they used the term "Como?" or "diga?".

Hola a todos.-

Estoy buscando información del linaje de los apellidos Colores, Torres,
Contreras y Correa . Estoy interesado principalmente el linaje de mi
tatarabuelo Jorge Colores, a continuación describo los eventos de la vida
de mis ancestros:

1. Jorge Colores, posiblemente originario de Peñon Blanco Durango y
posiblemente nació entre los años 1860 a 1865 aproximadamente, se casó con
Liarada Contreras, es la única información que tengo de ella y él.

El hijo de Jorge Colores y Liarada Contreras fue: Mariano Colores nació en
1882 originario de Ojocaliente Zacatecas México y murió en el año de 1958
en Milwuakee, Wisconsin USA.

Mariano Colores (1882-1958), se casó a los 19 años de edad, el día 09 de
Noviembre de 1901, con María Jesús Torres teniendo 16 años de edad,
originaria de Ojocaliente, Zacatecas. Los padres de María de Jesús fueron
Luis Torres y Lorenza Correa. Los abuelos paternos fueron: Francisco
Torres y María Nieves y Los abuelos maternos fueron: Antonio Correa y María
Guadalupe.

Es importante mencionar que estos apellidos de Colores y Torres proviene
del Rancho San Ramón municipio de la Blanca Zacatecas. Mariano y Maria de
Jesús emigraron a USA de jovenes de aproximadamente a los 23 a 25 años de
edad.

Notas de la boda: se casaron en la Santa Iglesia Parroquial de Ojocaliente,
Jorge Colores padre de Mariano Colores ya estaba fallecido en la fecha de
celebración del matrimonio de su hijo.

Los hijos de Mariano Colores y María Jesús Torres fueron:

5. i. Peter Colorez

6. ii. Victoria Colores

7. iii. Isidro Colores, b. 15 Mayo 1915, Ojocaliente, Zacatecas,
México.

8. iv. Guadalupe Colores

9. v. Emanuel Colorez

10. vi. Ana Colores

11. vii. Antonio Colores

Cabe mencionar que la mayoria de los hijos de Mariano Colores
residieron en Milwuakee,
Wisconsin USA y alguno de ellos se cambiaron el apellido Colores a Colorez
(solo cambiaron la última letra del apellido).

a Agradezco de antemano la información que deseen sumar y compartirme de
los linajes antes mencionados.

At Atentamente.-

Victor C.

Arturo Ramos
el libro de los Valdes de Jalisco, segun esto son solamente de la linea Valdes, no como los de Zacatecas que iniciamos con los Llanos de Valdes y en 1750 aproximadamente la mayoria se queda con el Valdes com es en mi caso, pero tengo entendido que el libro marca tambien algun Llanos de Valdes como ancestro, si tienes el libro transcribeme esa parte nadamas o copia dela pagina
gracias de antemano
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

My apologies in advance.  I'm sure this has been discussed/explained before, but this is the first time I've run across it.  I'm trying to figure out exactly what would the relationship be in "tercer conguanto de consanguinidad de que eran lejodos".  There is no informacion matrimonial records available (or at least online) to offer more information on the couple, only the matrimonio.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks so much.    Alice

Hey Everyone,

I've been doing a lot of digging into old films and have been trying to track down my great great grandmother, who is a big mystery seeing as how she died shortly after giving birth to my great grandfather. How shortly is beyond me, my grandfather and his brothers all say different things varying from right after child birth to a month later.

The name of my great grandfather was Fidel Gonzalez Gonzalez, he was born on April 24th, 1918 in Uribes, Villa Guerrero, Jalisco.

His father Bernardo Gonzalez Flores, also born in Uribes, was the son of Felipe Gonzalez Pinedo and Andrea Flores Mayorga. Bernardo died in August 8th, 1935

His birth still boggles me as there appear to be 3 different possible years he was born (86,88, and the least likely 80) though all 3 of my sources confirm it's the same person.

Fidel also had two sisters, which I believe were full sisters based from what I recall at his eulogy and the way my grandfather spoke of them:
Soledad Gonzalez about 1912
Gabriela Gonzalez about 1906

I, however, am not sure how reliable their birth dates are as they come from the same source saying that Bernardo was born in in 1880.

The person I'm trying to find is Fidel's mother. I know her last name is Gonzalez but am not sure about her first name. An aunt told me that it was Asuncion, however, this has not yielded any results. Recently I found a marriage record for Bernardo Gonzalez marrying a "Presentacion Gonzalez" but a lot of the terminology is beyond my Spanish:

(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21312-53450-40?cc=1918187…) Upper right hand corner

I was wondering if someone could translate this for me or if anyone is familiar with this certain family.

Thanks,

Martin Gonzalez

I uploaded an updated gedcom for my Romero/de la Torre line in Tepatitlan. It includes Romero y Chavez, Gomes Hurtado de Mendoza, Camarena, Pena, Romero and de la Torre in my direct line.

Linda Romero

Hello,

I am researching my paternal side of the family and came across this entry. Does anyone have any information about these people or this family in general in Mexico or thier descendants? There is a family with this name in Granada but I was not sure if they are linked. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en&templ=mobile&p=manuel&n=amate+c…

Manuel Amate Cortés
Spouses and children

Married 17 September 1760, Parroquia del Sagrario - Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal, México, to Nicolasa Moreno Vala with
Andrés Amate Moreno 1762-†
Gertrudis Amate Moreno 1763-†
Francisco Ignacio Amate Moreno 1766-†
María Teresa Amate Moreno 1767-† married 1 November 1798 to José Agustín García de León
José Miguel Amate Moreno 1769-†
José Ángel Amate Moreno 1771-†
Catalina Amate Moreno 1772-†
Vicente Amate Moreno 1774-†
José Mariano Amate Moreno 1776-†

This is for the person who posted the Organization info. For some reason I can not find your topic on here.

I am looking for Santiago de la Mora who was married to Catalina Ximenes. Is this the same one you were talking about? I could use some help with this line.

Thanks,

Lisa

Diego Alonso del Pedroso (alternately, Diego Alonso Ramires del Pedroso) and Phelipa Hernandes de Rueda had (at least) three known children in Jalos (la Estancia de Coca): Juan Cayetano, Dionisio (bap. 1701), and Diego Alonso (bap. 1705). The latter two baptisms are documented.

Does anyone have any documentary evidence of the lineage of this couple? I am stuck at the moment.

Saludos,
Lawrence Bouett

Hey everybody,

Recently I have been trying to do research on the side of my family that isn't originally from the Totatiche/Temastian/Villa Guerrero area. They all come from Bolaños, Jalisco. Specifically, I've been trying to trace down my mother's Guzman branch.

Her grandfather was named Benito Guzman, born 1916 16 Jan in Bolaños, Jalisco and died 2007 23 Jun he married Aurea Ramos born in 1920, daughter of Porfirio Ramos 1895 and Mercedes Perez 1899.

Benito's father was also named Benito Guzman, and was born around 1880 and his mother was named Agapita Quintero and was born around 1887.

Other than this, I know that Benito Guzman Sr's father was named Gerardo Guzman. I had asked my grandfather and his brother if they knew the name of the mother or any other relatives but they blanked. I did find this though and my mom's uncle said the name sounded really familiar (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N811-QQR)

If it would be helpful I can provide the names and birth dates of Benito's siblings.

It's only by fate that I find myself at Nuestros Ranchos.
I took my wife to see "For Greater Glory" and came home to start researching the period. Among the numerous websites that came up on Google was NR and I was hooked.

I've been researching my maternal family (Italian) for over ten years but never had much information on my paternal side.

My paternal grandmother Dolores Villasenor was never married to the man that fathered my father. She left my father with his grandmother Martina Perez in 1924 and came to the U.S. to start a new life. She went back to Totatiche for my father in 1931. My father was raised as Rogaciano Villasenor and took the name Roy Villasenor Rodriguez when he was naturalized as a U.S. citizen during WWII. Rodriguez was the name of the man who eventually married my grandmother. My father spoke very little of the War and of his childhood in Mexico. One thing he did tell me was that we had both Spanish and Indian blood in our genes.

Time has taken it's toll on my memory, but I think my grandmother once told me that my grandfather was killed in the revolution. It was this vague memory that got me curious about this man my father never knew.

So, about three weeks ago, I went to FamilySearch and started looking. I immediately found my father as well as his older brother and sister - both listed as father unknown. Fortunately, my father's father was listed - Jesus del Real from Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecasas. At last..my family lineage is clear! Now to find out what really happened to Jesus. I can not find his death record to document his death during the Christeros.

I've been going through Jalisco records day and night ever since and have gotten a great start to my tree, going back to my 4x Great Grandparents about 1770-1790.

Please visit my folder:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/UncleRelic

Regrettably, I do not speak Spanish as my father did not want to teach us. He studied very hard to learn English. He was very proud of his WWII service, loved his adopted country, and wanted to assimilate into American life.

With great anticipation, I seek to communicate with any relatives.

Regarding the movie: It was very enjoyable to watch, provided a somewhat accurate depiction of events, but more importantly it got me to do my own research.

Best regards to all,
Roy