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I have a Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado married to Juana Delgadillo. I do not have his parents. Juana's parents are Diego Delgadillo y Petrona de Ysala/Isla/Isala. Is this same family that you're referring to?

There is a Lorenz Alvarez Tostado bapt 02 May 1694, Nochistlan, with parents being Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado y Juana Delgadillo. I view this baptism record but was having a difficult time translating many of the words.

Document location: Nochistlan - 1688-1718 Batismos - Image 121 of 613 (right side of page).

Juana is my husband's 8th Great Grand Aunt, sister of Isabel (Calderon) Delgadillo, married 03 Jul 1667 to Pedro Enriquez who is also his 8th Great Grand Aunt. Their sister Mariana Delgadillo bapt 23 Mar 1655 Nochistlan married to Francisco Flores de Medrano is our direct maternal ancestry.

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

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From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:38:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos]

Ronnie, where is the best place to find the Dispensas?

Miggy

> From: chilerey@msn.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:38:29 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado and Josepha Alvarez Tostado
>
>
> Hola Every one ,seeking out Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado and his first Wife Josepha Alvarez Tostado. Lorenzo was married to Josepha prior to 1725. Lorenzo's second wife was Gertrudis Efigenia Ramirez de Hermosillo april 19,1725 in Jalostotitlan located in Matrimonios 1707-1748 image #191. I was looking at the Dispensas that Claudia has given and no go . I was thinking they were probably related and needed to go through dispensation but have not found it yet. Has anyone had any luck ? I am descended to Lorenzo and his two wives.
> Thank you
> Ronnie Reynoso

Susan Preciado,

I have the following information. J. Gregorio's siblings:

?? MORONES Masias, bp: 9 jan 1718, Zapotlanejo, Jal.; image 278, Bautismos 1684-1708
is described as child of Mathias Morones and Phelipa Masias. [unable to read child's given name]

Marcelo MORONES, married 3 jul 1752 in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco is described as child of Mathias Morones and Phelipa Masias, both are deceased; image 94, Matrimonios 1741-1811 in Ayotlan.

There are many Macias families in the several locations: Lagos de Moreno, Cienega de Mata, and Aguascalientes. You might find the answer there. Mathias Morones is my 7th great- grandfather.

David Delgado, in Albany, CA

David P. Delgado

Strangely enough, the little Mexican restaurant up here on our island in the Northwest serves exactly what you describe that you have at home. The owner is from Jalisco, and he calls his food "estilo mexicano". They also have a very few "Cal-Mex" or "Tex Mex" foods (that strange stuff) that bear no relation to real Mexican food that you find in fast food places in California and Texas to serve those Americans who prefer that and don't care to try the real stuff.

It is the same with "Italian" food here. I grew up in an Italian neighborhood in California, and pizza was something served in sheet pans with only a tomato-garlic-olive oil sauce that was cut up into little squares as hors d'oerves (sp?) at weddings only. Then it became the God-awful stuff served with meats and cheese that you find now at fast food places, even in Italy.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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> From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 03:21:58 -0700
> Subject

Most of the replies here have been from the republican era and that style of clothing which probably began in the 1830's after the revolution. Prior to that most styles of clothing reflected the prevailing european styles that made it's way from Mexico City to Guadalajara. Then again, it depends on the status of your family. Pictures of my family from a 120 years ago show a Victorian style of dress for the women and a typical charro and tight pants (mariachi dress) for the men.

In colonial times, I'm sure it was similar to the French and Spanish styles with small local variations. Say a few dresses arriving in Guadalajara might be copied using local fabrics and patterns giving it a distinctive regional look. Of course this is my opinion and is not based on real evidence it is merely my observation on what people have done in the past throughout history.

Joe Rubio

I'm also interested to learn more about the carriages because my aunt told me that my grandfather's family used to go to church in a carriage.  They would also wear their finest charro outfits to church.  I found that fascinating, maybe a little bizarre.  I suppose it would have been as late as the 1890's/early 1900's that they were doing that in San Juan de los Lagos.  My grandfather was a Campos Munoz, and I believe that a lot of Irma's relatives who are into the charro culture are Munoz, as well.  And to think I'm scared to death of horses!

Zacatecano,

I think I would dress like a China Poblana, very colorful skirt, braids in my hair interlaced with multicolored ribbons, a hand embroidered blouse with birds and flowers and a big red flower behind my ear with dangling silver earrings and a charro to escort me to the dance.

Alicia

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From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you wear if there were a colonial costume party?

The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me.  I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation.  I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.

Also I am curios about the styles of clothing.  For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head.  Kind of like what pirates wear.

On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture Jose

Being from my father's mestizo, espanol, mulatto and indio lines in Zacatecas, I guess I would wear something like what the mestizos wore in those paintings from the books about the castas.Those books show not only the various colors of skin, but features, clothing, and homes of the various races.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:03:19 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What colonial clothing style would you wear if there were a colonial costume party?
>
> The Colonial era of Mexico facinates me. I am curious about those carriages that were used for transportation. I saw one in a museum in Zacatecas.
>
> Also I am curios about the styles of clothing. For instance, the triangular colonial hats that they wore and also another style where some of the men wore scarf or cloth covering the scalps of their head. Kind of like what pirates wear.
>
> On the mexican 50 peso bill, the picture

Do have a copy of Gutierre Tibon's book or did you find it at a library?
Thanks.
Sergio Gutierrez

Se pueden ver aqui:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Jalostotitlán
Nuestra Señora de la Asunción

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of josejime@yahoo.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:14 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Donde encontrar testamentos jalisco???
>
> Alguien sabrá donde se podrá ver por internet los testamentos antiguos de
> jalostotitlan , lagos, san Juan ,arandas y tepatitlan ,,, mil gracias de
> antemano

This municipality is already in the films section.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Jalisco/1043

You can use the button at the bottom of that page to add films that are not yet in the listing.

When working out in the yard I wear a straw sombrero, and I wear a scarf under it to keep the sweat out of my eyes and to keep the inside headband clean and dry. I assume that is why Apaches and Mexicans and Californios wore "rags" on their heads when out riding. The hats have a string that goes under the chin to keep the hat on in the wind.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: igomezlucero@csus.edu
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:43:27 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 76, Issue 20
>
> Zacatecano,
>
> My primo in Aguascalientes who is very involved in Charreadas wears the scarf under his charro hat. I asked him why he wore it since I only recalled J. Ma Morelos and the Californios. His response was to keep the hat on. Apparently the silk scarf gives his hat traction. My primo is losing his hair by the way.
>
> Irma Gomez Gtz
> N. California
>
>
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My later line of Luna (which I am unable to trace back further) goes to:
Felix Luna who married Maria de los Angeles Trejo in 1851, in Tlaltenango.
I haven't been able to make definitive prior connections on the Luna
line. If there is a connection out there to this line, I'd sure be delighted.
Later descendants from this line that I was able to trace from Tlaltenango
include:
Felix Luna and Maria Trejo married 2/26/1851…
Ambrosio Luna Trejo b: 1851 and Patricia Sandoval
Atanacio Luna Trejo b: 1855 and Maria Florencia Herrera Corchado
Margarito Luna Trejo b: 1853 and Regina Herrera married in
1876
Maria Petra Luna Trejo: b: 1856

Edward....I have not worked on my Luna line for several years,
now, I see that I need to verify some of the information.

Juan Lorenzo Luna - abt 1656
Tetela de Ocampo, Puebla
Church - Santa Maria de la Asuncion
spouse: Maria Magdalena

their son:
Francisco Luna 1676
film & batch numbers -  240526 - J600734

church - San Juan Evangelista - Acatzino, Puebla

spouse: Maria Beronica

their son:
Juan Antonio Luna - abt 1698
married 10 June 1718 - Acatzino Puebla
film & batch numbers 240564 - M605653
spouse - Theresa Fernandez

Their son:
Tadeo Nicolas Luna
according to marriage record, born Puesto de San Buena Ventura
Tlaltenango -
married 5 June 1740 - Colotlan, Jalisco
spouse - Juana Clemencia Alvarez
film & batch numbers - 443781 - M604661

Perhaps, your ancestors may have been in Puebla then,

Zacatecas.

I have a second Luna line, with later dates, that I have not been
able to connect with the first line. Hope this helps.

________________________________
From:

Dear Detective, since you don't provide your first name, I must address you  by the name of detective.

What years are you talking about in terms of the particular records. In the early colonial days of Mexico, about 90 % of the inhabitants of colonial Mexico were indigenous people so anything is possible. If the records you're referring to are from the 1600's  to the 1700's it's very likely that they may have been indio's or indigenous people but keep searching to see what you find.

When posting a question, add as much information as possible such as the years, the town or the region, the more detail you provide, the more feedback you'll get.

Alicia,
San Jose, CA

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From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic church records common?

I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records

Váyase con cuidado. Le recomiendo quitarse el nombre de detective. Si quiere
meterse en cuestiones raciales, ponerse de detective es agresivo y
estúpido. Le advierto: TENGA MUCHO CUIDADO! En nuestra página no aceptamos
ni detectives ni racistas! Es una página genealógica, no policiaca. No vaya
a resultar que usted desciende de indios o de negros, que lo avergüencen.

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Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2012 05:58 p.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic
church records common?

I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records
from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings,
the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's
marriage record says he's espanol, but his birth record

I found this also in the records from Zacatecas, Michocan and Jalisco so just chalked it up to the scribe deciding by how dark or light the child was.
I also read somewhere that the childs "race" could be bought with  money or parents who had money or prestige were upgraded  to Espanol. I know in the case of my Caldera lines the original Mother of Miguel  and Maria Caldera was an Yndian yet their decendants are always described as Espanol during the years race was recorded for the church.
Linda in Everett

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From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is racial miscategorization on old catholic church records common?

I'm asking since when I will looking up birth records, and marriage records from my 5th great grandfather silvestre villaneda, and some of his siblings, the records were inconsitiant of the race part. for example silvestre's marriage record

good morning.. what is your first name?
I can't read it all either but I can read this part:
 
burial 20 Aug 1831 in San Luis de Colotlan,
Maria de la Torre Espanola from this jurisdiction in el puestro de la Voca age 40
died from fauaz..lla seria ???
husband: Phelipe Quesada
she received the sacraments

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From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] is anyone able to decipher what this death record is saying

the record can be found in the link below. It's for a maria de la torre
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-14262-36?cc=1874591&wc…

Sorry  for creating another thread again in the past two days, but the crusive in this record is very hard to read. the only part i was able read besides her name is that she died on august 20 1731, and that she was the wife of phelipe quezada.

i can't read the rest. i'm hopin g this records mentions

Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Yo vi muchos Guzman en los registros de Mezquital del oro entre 1766 y 1809 posteriormente mandaron los archivos por El teul pero tambien yo perdi el rastro ya que no encuentrio los microfilms en linea

Hola Maria Cortez y a todos:
ESTE FIN DE SEMANA PASADO ME CONTACTE CON UN FAMILIAR LEJANO HASTA GUADALAJARA JALISCO .Y ME HIZO UNA CORRECCION
CON EL APELLIDO PATERNO DE "ESTEFANA" HERA "RODRIGUEZ" Y NO MARIN COMO YO TENIA ENTENDIDO.ASI LA SITUACION CAMBIA PUES LA INFORMACION AHORA SERA ,MATRIMONIO DE "JUAN GUZMAN CON ESTEFANA RODRIGUEZ"QUE HERAN MIS BISABUELOS MATERNOS.
GRACIAS A TODOS POR SU TOLERANCIA.
JOSE LUIS FELIX> > Hola a todos:> > Me da mucho gusto de ser miembro de este grupo, desde hace un poco mas de 3> > meses ,y quiero hacer publico mi agradecimiento a Hector Felix Aizorbe ,por> > la ayuda baliosisima que me ha brindado para formar mi arbol geneologico.> > Estoy detenido en algunos datos ,he mandado pedir algunos microfilms en un> > Centro Familiar Historico de aqui en el Condado de Riverside California> > ,pero estan en back order ,eso es lo que me dicen ,ya hace casi 2 meses .En> > unos de los datos que estoy detenido son ,sobre los abuelos maternos por> > parte de mi