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 Dear Group,
 
I need your help in unraveling this Corvera/Corbera y Juana Gonzales mystery. I know that this is a rather lengthy posting, but I have been trying to figure this out for many years.
 
My husband's Corvera/Corbera paternal lineage has been a complicated one for me and I with your help hope to move on...

Here's  what I do know/have established to date...

My father-in-law Florentino Corvera/Corbera bapt 15 Apr 1894 Capilla de Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico...son of Aniceto Corvera y Trinidad Serrano. 

I have listed his siblings below, he being # 2 

Offspring of: Aniceto Corvera/Corbera y Maria Trinidad Salamanca Serrano

1. En la Capilla del Plateado, ( Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Huanusco, Zacatecas - Sep 1890  hija natural de Aniceto Cordero y Trinidad Cerrano...A.P. Juan Cordero y Juana Gonzales - A.M. Juan Cerrano y Jesus Salamanca.

 (Is Cordero in this record actually Corvera/Corbera ? )

2. En la Capilla de Momax, Apr 1894 hijo legitimo de Aniceto Corvera y Trinidad Serrano...A.P. Juan Corvera ( mayor de edad y vecino de la Municipalidad del Plateado) y Juana Gonzales (finada) -  A.M. Juan Serrano (mayor de edad) y Jesus Zalamanca (finados).

3. En la Capilla de  Momax, 14 Jun1896 hijo natural de Aniceto Corvera y Ma. Trinidad Serrano A.P. Juan Corvera y Jesus Zalamanca... no other notation about the grandparents... I believe that the priest actually recorded this baptism information  incorrectly....that the A.P. should have been Juan Corvera y Juana Gonzales and the A.M. Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca.

4. En la Capilla de Momax, 4 Mar 1900 hijo legitimo de Aniceto Corvera y Trinidad Serrano A.P. Juan Corvera y Juana Gonzales  A.M. Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca.

5. En la Capilla de Momax, 10 Aug 1902 hija legitima de Aniceto Corbera y Trinidad Serrano A.P. Juan Corbera y Juana Gonzalez. A.M. Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca.

6. En la Capilla de  Momax, 05 Feb 1905 hija legitima de Aniceto Corvera y Ma Trinidad Cerrano... A.P. Juan y Juana Gonzalez, A.M. Juan y Ma. Jesus Salamanca

7. En la Capilla de  Momax, 16 Feb 1907 hija legitima de Anacleto Cordero y Ma. Trinidad Serrano...A.P. Juan y Juana Gonzalez - A.M. Juan y Ma. Jesus Salamanca.

This is a reply to A_Tejano, and others who want to know where the Guadalajara Dispensas are located:

Every post at www.guadalajaradispensas.com is a complete extraction of an FHL "film" at familysearch.com and includes a *link* to the actual FHL images. Look for the following info at the top of every post:

Mexico Genealogy
Genealogical Information - Catholic Church Records
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
Marriage Dispensations in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
former Province of New Galicia / Nueva Galicia in the Spanish Colonies
Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.
Source film: 168359 *[click on this part of the post for a direct "link" to the images on familysearch that have been extracted as part of the same post on the blog]

I hope this helps to answer your question.

Happy hunting,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

This doesn't fit into my schedule this year but it sounds very
interesting. I would be very interested in reading reviews of anyone who
attends.
Raquel Ruiz

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QUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR A PELEOGRAFIAR EL ACTA DE MATRIMONIO DE ANTONIO PRIETO GALLARDO E YSABEL MUÑIZ CASADOS EL 8 DE ENERO 1645 EN EL SAGRARIO DE AGUASCALIENTES Y VELADOS EL 9 DE FEBRERO DEL MISMO AÑO, ENCONTRE EL ACTA EN LA PARTIDA DE BAUTIZOS 1616-1662 EN LA IMAGEN 278.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-53315-21?cc=1410092&…

DE ESTA FORMA SABER QUIENES FUERON LOS PADRES DE LOS CONTRAYENTES Y SUS PADRINOS, YA QUE NO LE ENTIENDO AL ACTA.

DE ANTEMANO GRACIAS

VICTOR M GOMEZ

Buenos Dias,

I am seeking information relative to the above couple, my maternal 5th great grandparents. They were married 20 Feb 1757 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, MX (Nuestra Senora de Dolores). It appears that the Family Search digitized records does not include the period 1754-1767 in Matrimonios.

They had at least 1 child: Maria Alvina de Villapando, born about 1762.

Can someone give me advise on how to close the digital records "gap".

Gracias,

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Quisiera saber cuanto tiempo duraba el processo de dispensas por consanguineidad en la segunda mitad del siglo XIX. Tengo la fecha de matrimonio de mis bisabuelos pero no encuentro la "Información matrimonial". He buscado durante los seis meses anteriores a la fecha pero no encuentro nada. Asumo que ese proceso podía ser largo y que se iniciaba después de que se daba aviso de que la pareja se quería casar. Alguien tiene alguna sugerencia de cómo buscar o de que tan atras hay que buscar? El matrimonio fue en abril de 1873 en Arandas

Here is a Census of Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico during the year 1830.

Marcelo Madera is my maternal great great grandfather. He is the father of Benito Madera. Benito Madera is the father of Maria Clemencia Madera - the spouse of my Paternal Great Grandfather Calixto Madera.

On the Census Marcelo Madera is listed at age 62 years in the year 1830. That would make is approximate birth in the year 1768.

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4218/marcelomaderaranchodelo.jpg
Pg. 2 of Rancho Madera:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4218/marcelomaderaranchodelo.jpg
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg696/scaled.php?server=696&filename=mar…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-6102-19?cc=1874591&wc=…

Wow,

This will be an amazing conference, I wish I could go, but I know I can't.

Alicia

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Conferencia de genealogia en Saltillo, Coahuila (Marzo 2012)

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From: Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia [mailto:SamuelSanchez@Genealogia.org.mx]

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:19 PM
To: NR@josephpuentes.com
Subject: Conferencia de genealogia en Saltillo, Coahuila (Marzo 2012)

CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA

SECRETARÍA DE GOBIERNO
ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA
CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA
BINATIONAL HISTORY CONFERENCE
16 y 17 de Marzo del 2012

Viernes 16 de Marzo de 2012

15:00 hrs.  Inscripciones:
Registro e Inscripción libre
SEDE de la Conferencia:
Secretaría de Cultura
Calle Juárez e Hidalgo.
Centro Histórico. Saltillo, Coah.
18:00 hrs.  Bienvenida.
Ceremonia de Inauguración a cargo del
Lic. Rubén Moreira Valdez
Gobernador del Estado de Coahuila de Zaragoza Conferencia Magistral Gonzalo
de Salazar y su familia: hombre novohispano de la nobleza, pero no muy noble
Dr. George Ryskamp Profesor Asociado de Historia Director del Centro de
Historia Familiar y Genealogía Brigham Young University. Provo, Utah. USA.
19:30 Hrs.        Entrega de reconocimientos especiales.

Hello everyone --

I came across an interesting 1553 baptism record in Mexico City. Among the witnesses listed are Cristobal Onate, Hernan Peres de Bocanegra and Antonio de la Cadena. However there's also a name listed, where I can't read the first name but the last name is "de Montemayor"

Can anyone tell what the first name is for the Montemayor person? I'm working on a side project looking at the Mexico City connections for the founding families of Monterrey and Saltillo in case anyone is interested. See http://texmexroots.blogspot.com/p/mexico-city-monterrey-founder.html.

The record I'm talking about can be found at the Family history site, or at my website where I also posted it. If you're looking at the familyhistory website, here's the info you need: Asunción Sagrario Metropolitano (Centro) -- Bautismos de Españoles 1536-1589 -- p185 of 1003 (baptism of Jeronima, hija de Martin de Campos y su mujer Leonor)

Here's the link: https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…

Thanks for any help!

Chris Pineda

Ayuda por favor
My GGGGGGG grandfather Jeronimo Rosales b. 1689 married Josepha Romo de Vivar b. 1689, daughter of Francisco Romo de Vivar Rangel and Lorenza Ruis de Esparza

In researching (my GGGGGG) Jeronimo Rosales Romo de Vivar’s siblings I found a total of 13. Most born in Aguascalientes, Ags. -- some in Cienega de Mata Ojuelos, Jalisco
Three of the siblings had the same or similar names but born in different years. My question is – are some of the children I found belong to another set of parents with the exact names of Jeronimo Rosales and Josepha Romo de Vivar? So far the documents I have checked do not have the names of the grandparents so I can verify if they are the same parents

Here is what I have as children of
Jerónimo Rosales and Josepha Romo De Vivar (Married May 1st, 1709, Aguascalientes,)

*Francisco Eusebio b. 1710, Aguascalientes
Maria Sebastiana b. 1711 Aguascalientes
Lorenza b. 1713, Aguascalientes
*Francisco b. 1716, Aguascalientes
Josepha Eufracia Gertrudis b. 1718 Aguascalientes
Juan Joseph b. 1720 Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1723, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos Jalisco
Maria Sebastiana b 1727 Cienega de Mata
Joseph Ylario b. 1730 Cienega de Mata
*Joseph Gabriel b. 1729 Cienega de Mata
Ana Rosales b. 1732 San Antonio Aguascalientes
*Gabriel b. 1734 San Antonio, Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1736 Cienega de Mata

Thank you for any information you may have. In the mean time I will continue to check the church records.
Aurora De Anda Romo

I am browsing Baptismos and search for the copy of my great grandfather Calixto Madera De La Paz. I know for sure that his parents are Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz because my grandfather Antonio Madera Madera was born in July of 1893 and I found his baptimos and the names of his parents
Calixto Madera (Jimulco)/Maria Clemencia Madera (Rancho De Los Maderas),
Paternal Grandparents Patricio Madera/Maria Dimas De La Paz
Maternal Grandparents Benito Madera(Rancho De Los Maderas)

Sister of Calixto Madera de La Paz:

Antonia Madera (nacida el 9 de Mayo 1857)
Parents: Patrico Madera/Maria Dimas De La Paz
Paternal Grandparents: "Don" Juan Benancio Madera/? Ledesma
Maternal Grandparents: "Don" Macimo De La Paz/"Dona" Agata Ledesma

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8710/antoniamaderamay91857.jpg

I will continually add more brothers and sisters that I find and also Calixto's baptismo when I find it.

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1812 FHL Source Film 168160 / OAH 2469
AND: 1812 FHL Source Film 168161 / OAH 2476 pt1

Iam having difficulty with a document. Could anyone help me translate this document?
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20391
I really apreciate the help!

I am browsing through Nacimientos, Defunciones of years 1878 - 1880.

And when it starts at 1880 page 23, from page 24 to end of book, "Calixto Madera's signature is on every page and it seems that he is signs his name and records the information for couples that are registering the birth of their baby.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21320-19588-18?cc=1918187…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21320-19548-94?cc=1918187…

If you read through every page, "Calixto Madera's signature is in all of them.

Was he an employee at the Civil Registration or a witness for the couples registering the birth of their baby?

My Great Grandfather Calixto Madera was born in the early 1850's around 1856. His parents are Patricio Madera/Maria Dimas De La Paz.

Soy by 1880, My Great Grandfather Calixto Madera would be around in his early or mid 20's.

Joseph,

Please let me know the available details for and about this Villanueva and Fresnillo indexing project.
Even though I am quite busy at this time, I want to consider working with our NR group again.

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
conrique1@earthlink.net
858-565-0464

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Puentes
>Sent: Feb 28, 2012 4:36 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Indexing Again/Indexacion Otra Vez
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>Just wanted to let everyone know that there is a new indexing project
>available and it is for Villanueva and Fresnillo, Zacatecas together.
>Consider joining the Nuestros Ranchos indexing group. Contact me privately
>at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org for more information.
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>Hay un proyecto Nuevo para Villanueva y Fresnillo, Zacatecas juntos. Por Que
>no entran al grupo de indexacion de Nuestros Ranchos. Mandame un correo a
>joseph@nuestrosranchos.org para mas informacion.
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I have found what may be two death records for the same person. The records are somewhat difficult to read, however, the names are clear. Both of these are from the 1724/43 volume of Asientos, Aguascalientes deaths:

image 189
15 Oct 1738, in Tepesala (Asientos)
Thomas de Villalpando died, widower of Maria de Sotelo

image 194
14 June 1739, Tepesala (Asientos)
Thomas de Villalpando died, widower of Maria de Sotelo

The records are hard to read, and my Spanish is limited. Have I missed something? I would appreciate any opinions on these records.

Maria de Sotelo (aka Maria de Jaen) was Thomas's second wife; Maria de Vargas was the first. They had a large family, with children born in Aguascalientes and Asientos, and left many descendants is Asientos, Calvillo, and Rincon de Romos. I think most of the persons with the Villalpando surname in Asientos were descendants of Thomas.

George Fulton

Joseph,

Might it be a writing or an entry error made by the priest or the scribe. I have my grandmother's baptism/birth record that shows on the left margin of the entry. Maria del Refugio Rodriguez and in the body of the record it says Maria del Refugio Ruiz, her correct surname. Had I not already known my grandmother's parents names, I would have missed this altogether and I also had an inkling about her birth year.

Sorry this is no help but just a guess or a possibility.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Diaz y Maria Raigoza: Tlaltenango

In the Tlaltenango area around the 1730's I have some relatives whose names
are simply Joseph Diaz and Maria Raigoza. I have many many records for this
couple and it always the same simply Jose and Maria EXCEPT one Informacion
Matrimonial record for a daughter where the parents are referred to as
Joseph Diaz and Maria Diaz de Raigoza.

So what do I make of that is it simply talking about her marriage to Joseph
Diaz? Her parents are Francisco Raigoza and Brigida Miramontes. I guess I'm
wondering if she is just respecting her husband or might she be respecting a
grandparent? Heck it might not be her at all it might be just the way the
scribe or priest instructed it to be written.

Any thoughts?

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1795 FHL Source Film 168039
Nuevo archivo: 1795 rollo OAH 2388 pt4

List Members,

I would appreciate help in translating the side bar information on this marriage record...

Image 33 of 241 ... there appears a date possibly of 25 Jan 1682 on this marriage record dated 22 Apr 1680 for Machairo de Espitia and Simona de Silva...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30363-60?cc=1410092&…

I have located bapt records with his couple being noted as the parents, but only the above noted marriage record.

There is also a death/burial record for Simona De Silva buried 17 Aug 1719 ...

All records are for Aguascalientes...

Thank you,

Pat Silva Corbera

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-80884-22?cc=1874591&wc…

5. Re: "padres no conocidos" (Pat Corbera)

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:29:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "padres no conocidos"
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Victoriano,

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Do you know if?married couples were given a duplicate copy of their marriage?record?

?

Then when baptizing their children was it required to show proof of their marriage, in order for the child to be registered as "hijo legitima" ?

?

Pat Silva Corbera

Tracy CA

Hello Pat,

It was nice meeting you at the last Nueva Galicia meeting in January. I'm not sure about the parents showing proof of their marriage at the time of their offspring's baptisms. It may be possible that in small towns such as the ones my parents grew up in, it was common knowledge. I recall my father telling me that the gentleman (his father's cousin) who recorded Church records knew everybody's business. He could easily recite individuals family history. I imagine he and his predecessors' were the same. I also remember my parents telling me that the child had to be baptized where ever they lived. Exceptions were made if the godparents lived somewhere else.
I have seen that priests or employees of the Church would go back and look for Baptism records to ensure that the betrothed had been Baptized before entering into a Catholic marriage. In these same baptism records, I have seen notations of their marriage date, place and spouse (ALSO if it was a 2nd or 3rd marriage).
I highly doubt in olden times that they would have been given copies of their marriage records. I was confirmed in Mexico at the ripe age of 16, and was never given a copy of my Confirmation, and that wasn't in olden times. :) I do recall that family members would often go to the Church to get copies of marriages, baptisms for matters of immigration, etc., so they weren't given copies at the time of the sacrament.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Northern California

Website for online archives (Catholic Church Parroquia de San Diego) for Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

Website for online archives (Civil Registros) of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

Hello Everyone! I have a couple of questions. First, is it possible for babies not to be baptised? I'm looking everywhere for my 4x & 5x grandfathers, with approxmiate dates of 1787 and 1807. Up to that point, all births in my family are in the Aquascalientes area. I've searched all the records in Aquas., and I'm well into the Zacateca records. Their names are found on marriage records but that's all I've been able to find. Secondly, when the church records "no conocidos" are written, I am assuming the baby is illegitimate and godparents will raise the child, or is he/she given to an orphanage? Thanks in advance. I've learned a lot from this website. Carol

Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1795 FHL Source Film 168037
Nuevo archivo: 1795 rollo OAH 2386 pt2

Hello atodos, I was wondering if you could give a thought/opinion as what am thinking . I am trying to connect
A) Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Morales and (B)Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Ramirez or Arias de Valdez .I beleve (A) Juan Escoto Tovar is the father of (B) Juan Escoto Tovar.

(B) Juan Escoto Tovar and Maria Ramirez Or Arias de Valdez's
CHILDREN-and their PADRINOS
1) Fabiela Escoto born 20 of Nov.1713 San Juan de los Lagos-Image 53-PADRINOS-YGNACIO ESCOTO AND BEATRIS MORALES.
2) Felipe Escoto born 24 of june 1715 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image 73-PADRINO-JOSEPH ESCOTO.
3)Joachin Alberto Escoto born 22 of december 1723 SanJuan de Los Lagos-Image -238-PADRINO-NICOLAS MACIAS VALDEZ.
4)Juan Bautista Escoto born 18 of July 1726 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 302-MADRINA BEATRIS MORALES.
5)Manuel Escoto born 11 of January 1728 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 340-PADRINO-FELIPE ARIAS.
6)Alejandro Escoto born 31 of March 1730 San Juan de Los Lagos-image- 425-PADRINOS-JUANA RAMIREZ AND XRISTOBAL ARIAS BALDEZ.
7) Andres Escoto born 22 of December 1716 San Juan de Los Lagos-Image- 105-PADRINO-JOSEPH ESCOTO
PARENTS -NOTED FOR ANDRES WAS MARIA ARIAS AND JUAN ESCOTO
EVERYBODY BODY ELSE WAS MARIA RAMIREZ AND JUAN ESCOTO.

1) THE PADRINOS -YGNACIO ESCOTO MARRIED TO BEATRIS MORALES HAD A BROTHER NAMED JUAN ESCOTO TOVAR IN ADDITION HE IS MARRIED TO MARIA MORALES WHOM I BELIEVE IS BEATRIS MORALES SISTER OR COUSIN.
Based on the last names of some of the padrinos and Madrinas I beleve that A) Juan Escoto Tovar is the father of B) Juan Escoto Tovar married to Maria Ramiez.
2) If this true then the 2 Juan Escotos descend from Antonio Escoto Tovar and Inez Ortiz de Rodas.
3) Maria Morales ( wife of B) Juan Escoto)is the daughter of Jose or Cristobal Cervantes and Ysabel Sanchez Carranza-Granddaughter of Diego Sanchez Carranza and Ana Munoz.
I thank you for your thoughts