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About Citing Sources and Areas where they are not cited, or turn out to be
incorrect:

I understand what you are saying, in regards to finding, and hearing others
say, about family history genealogies that turn out to be partially
incorrect, but they insist they are correct, because someone said it was
so. Or, the information cannot be taken off that site, even if it is wrong,
or whatever. Also, finding these on Family Search, family trees with no
sources cited, marriages and births posted on there in perpetuity that are
not verified as to where they got that information. And, I know for myself
certain info provided is completely incorrect, but have no way of contacting
whoever posted it.

Well, I know I have learned my own lessons about this, as I have taken up
the baton from my "dearly departed father" to carry on with our family
history research, to make it a firm habit, whether I don't feel like it or
what, to keep track of where I found each item as I go along. And, I'm
still learning. So, I know how hard this is, the aspect of being thorough,
keeping detailed records, etc. when I am looking through many, many sources
at any given time. There are times, too, when I was beginnning this, that I
just didn't know how thorough I needed to be until I had to reorder a
film or tear through the papers and books again for where the heck I found
that little information about a town or something. And, recalling when I
began, how I sent out to all my family my first family tree chart, that I
soon learned was full of incorrect information I believed was true, because
my mother told it to me! And, was I going back to tell everyone? No,
because my chart is always changing. Learning that Pioquinta Gonzalez was
not of royalty from Spain, but of humble birth in the Huichol region of
Jalisco, her own mother an Indian. And, too, Benigno Cabral was not from
Portugal, not a sea captain, but was born in Jalisco, also. That was a
valuable lesson learned. Do the research! Family stories are nice, but
researching it to prove them or disprove them is absolutely necessary. It's
all part of the journey and makes our books and memoirs we write someday
more colorful when we add them in as "stories I was told by Grandma."

Hello Corrine & John,

Like John, (who I connect most directly through our Gtz) I also
have Gonzales from Jalostotitlan via my paternal Great grandmother,
Paulina Gonzales, born 1872 in Jalostotitlan tying back via her paternal
line to Domingo Gonzales-Rubio still in Jalostotitlan in the 1680. Her
maternal line goes back to Jose-Esteban Gonzales born in Nochistlan,
Zac, possibly mid 1700's. I still have more work to do on these lines.
Not sure if they are also Gonzales Hermosillo. I also have an
Hermosillo line from Jalostotitlan.

Irma Gomez Gtz (Lucero)
Sacramento, CA.
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:52:56 -0700
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez
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Hi Corrine:

I am "Gonzalez" which evolved from "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from the
Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco area. You can contact me directly at
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Thank you.

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar, CA.

> Corrine Ardoin
> Still trucking here in Santa Maria, California reading the same
microfilm
> for five months now and I'm still not done. Anyone have Gonzalez in
their
> family tree?
>

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A few weeks ago there was considerable discussion about why the name Jose was written Joseph, and vice versa.

I have just found the Matrimonial Investigation for Jose or Joseph Pantaleon de Sandoval and his second wife, Maria Ignacia Lopez de Nava. In the document his name is consistently written "Jose Pantaleon de Sandobal." He signed in two places, and both times signed as "Jph Pantaleon de Sandobal." One of the testigos was was Jose Narciso Sandobal according to the document, but he signed "Jph Narciso de Sandobal." Another testigo was Jose de Medina, who signed "Jph de Medina."

It is interesting that the officials use Jose, but the people themselves signed Joseph.

George

Hi there Joseph,

I know this is a little late on the subject but I thought some of the members might like this :

DE ESPANOL CON INDIA = MESTIZO DE CALPAMULATO CON CAMBUJO =TENTE EN EL AIRE
DE MISTIZO CON INDIA = COYOTE DE TENTE EN EL AIRE CON MULATA = NO TE INTIENDO
DE MISTIZO CON ESPANOLA = CASTIZO DE NO TE INTIENDO CON INDIA =TORNATRAS
DE CASTIZO CON ESPANOL = ESPANOL DE ALBARAZADO CON COYOTE = BARCINO
DE ESPANOLOA CON NEGRO = MULATO DE BARCINO CON MULATA =COYOTE
DE MULATO CON INDIA = LOBO DE COYOTE CON INDIO =CHAMIZO
DE ESPANOL CON MULATA = MORISCO DE CHAMIZO CON MESTIZA = COYOTE MESITZO
DE ESPANOL CON MORISCA = ALBINO O CHINO DE COYOTE MESTIZO Y MULATA = AHI TE ESTAS
DE ESPANOL CON ALBINO O CHINO = TORNA ATRAS
DE INDIO O MULATO CON TORNA ATRAS = LOBO
DE LOBO CON CHINA = JIBARO
DE CAMBUJO O JIBARA CON MULATA = ALBARAZADO
DE ALBARAZADO CON NEGRA = CAMBUJO
DE CAMBUJO CON INDIA = ZAMBAIGO
DE ZAMBAIGO CON LOBOA = CALPAMULATO

Welester

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I'm curious on what others do about putting a record that someone else gathered and shared but with no documentation. When it's the same town it's easier to accept but when it takes you to another state in Mexico I'm not sure if I should use it. It's not my direct line but my cousins line and the info takes it back to the late 1500's in Mexico when I only have it back to abt 1850. I always try to share my documentation when sharing files. Any suggestions?

Linda in Everett

Hi Arturo, Its Daniel, I also have the same problem, I dont recieve any posts at all, what do I do. Many Thanks. mendezdelcamino@live.com

I think it is an awesome endeavor to pursuit non-profit status. The
benefits sound very positive and a definite supportive aid for members
interested in writing and publishing their genealogies and to provide funds
for those traveling to conferences, etc.

Nuestros Ranchos has always been more than a forum for me. It has been more
of a club and taking it to the next level, by obtaining non-profit status,
develops a base for its financial support, so that it may operate more
effectively and achieve goals.

I have gained much by being a member of Nuestros Ranchos and I would be
very, very happy to either act as a representative for California or as a
board member.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Arturo,

For the past week since you set up the new system, I have not been getting any of the e-mails from Nuestros Ranchos, and when I logged in just now, I see that there have been messages posted to the forums.

What do I need to do to start getting the e-mails again?

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Greetings to All.

I’m looking for information on Maria Bonificia Sarmento originaria de Sayula, Jalisco. Her parents were Juan Sn. Pedro Sarmiento and Maria Guadalupe Garcia both originarios de Sayula Jalisco. I would appreciate any information you might have on this family.

Saludos,

Carlos Yturralde

Jose:

I don't know if you had yet found the record of Rafael Maldonado's wedding with Toribia Gonzalez, but it is indexed on IGI and the record should show the parents of the groom and bride. It seems that you already have the parents of the bride.

RAFAEL MALDONADO
Spouse: TORIBIA CURS
Marriage: 11 OCT 1855 San Cosme, Villa De Cos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch No.: M605383 Film Number 1094899

You should get to your closest Family History Center and order the film in which the marriage appears.

I also notice that Toribia's family comes from Tepechitlan and El Teul. These are areas that I have researched.

Hello!

I am trying to find information on the Rancho de los Sandovales from Aguascalientes.

Andres Alonso, "hijo natural" of Maria Ignacia Alonso, who married Theresa Sandoval, in January 1810, were apparently both born there. Maria Ignacia Alonso died before January 1810. I have no further information on her.

I have been unsucssessful in locating a baptismal record for Andres, but according to the Informationes Matrimoniales, he was age 20 in December 1809.

Did the Sandoval family own Rancho de los Sandovales?

George Fulton

Is there a place or section where the e-mail address of group members are posted? I wanted to contact Jose Carlos de Leon but found the address in his online older message incorrect. I know sometimes we would prefer not to put online what is directed to just one member. In this case I wanted to share a photo of a mutual relative.

Thanks, Linda in Everett

The films database is now fully functional and films can be added and edited.

Please let me know if there are any problems.

Also, there is a project to upgrade the films database for which I could use a volunteer or two who is good in Excel.

And finally, the films database gave me the idea of putting up a library catalog of sorts that would list genealogy books relevant to our region and members who owned those books could tag themselves similar to the way we tag ourselves on films we have on indefinite loan.

What do you all think about that idea?

There is a Banuelos family who claims to be my cousins and cousins of my Banuelos branch. They don't know HOW they are cousins but they insist that they are. I can't find any records of them anywhere.

Their living descendants don't know either...they barely remembered their grandfather's name. My older brothers also told me that they are our cousins but don't know how.

I was wondering if anyone could help me find out? They live in my California hometown where most of the Banuelos and DE LEON famiilies live. I remember visiting them with my parents in the late 1940s and early 1950s when I was a child. My mother told me that she was my "Tia" Nicolasa Banuelos born on 23 Jul 1915 in Huehucar. Her mother's name was Mercedes Flores born on 24 Sep 1888 married to Lazaro Banuelos. I also thought that because Mercedes was a "Flores" that perhaps she was from my paternal grandmother Petra Flores Sandoval's side. Mercedes' father was Santos Flores and mother was Jesusita (unknown last name).

I verified the dates because I visited their graves ans photographed their tombstones.

I ran a check and located a Mercedes Flores born on the same date 09/24/1888 to a Santos Flores and mother Juana Ramos in Bolivia. Does that kinda throw a monkey-wrench in the Family Tree?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
South America
Search Results | Download
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Mercedes Flores Pedigree
Female

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Event(s):
Birth: 24 SEP 1888 Inmaculada Concepcion, Uyuni, Potosi, Bolivia

Christening: 06 OCT 1888 San Francisco,Coroma, , Potosi, Bolivia

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: Santos Flores Family
Mother: Juana Ramos

Here's what little their Living Descendants know about their tree (I'm not showing any living descendants)

Next sunday I am going to review that film in case anyone want me to extract data from its contents.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

I am trying to sort out an interesting question about Juan de Santiago or de Santiago Escobar.

There is a Juan de Santiago, husband of Gertrudis Navarro, was buried on 1 Sep 1729, in Aguascalientes. If I read the burial record correctly, he was married three times (only Gertrudis Navarro is mentioned), and had 45 legitimate children, of who 24 were living at the time of his death!!

There is a Juan de Santiago (also known Juan de Santiago Escobar) who married Antonia Ruis de Esparza on 6 Jul 1665, in Aguascalients. They had at least these children:
-Juan, chr 8 Mar 1666
-Marcos, chr 8 Mar 1666 (married Beatriz de Aguirre)
-Joan (Juan), chr 30 Sep 1667
-Antonio de Santiago y Escobar, chr 5 Sep 1670 (married Juana Maria Delgado)
-Juan, chr 30 Mar 1673 (apparently married Rosa Romo de Vivar [I can't confirm this])
-Francisco, chr 30 Mar 1673
-Joseph, chr 4 Sep 1676
-Maria, chr 14 Apr 1680
-Juan de Santiago Escobar, chr 30 Aug 1682 (married 1. Josepha Flores and 2. Gertrudis Rosalia de la Paz)
-Miguel Antonio de Escobar y Santiago, chr 23 Apr 1685 (married Maria Sotelo de Villalpando)

Juan de Santiago married again, Gertrudis de Esparza y Rangel Castilla (or Ruis de Esparza) on 7 Oct 1698 (the marriage record says he is the widower or Antonia). They had at least these children:
-Josepha chr. 11 Oct 1699
-Salbador de Santiago de Escobar, chr. 9 Sep 1701 (married Elena Lorensa de Villalpando)
-Francisca, chr. 16 Mar 1703
-Maria, chr 14 Aug 1705. The baptismal record does not say that her mother is deceased.

There is a Gertrudis (no last name) wife of Juan Santiago who was buried in June 1705.

Juan de Santiago (or de Santiago Escobar) married Maria Gertrudis Navarro on 26 May 1706. There is no mention that he is a widower. They had at least these children:
-Joseph Manuel, chr. 8 May 1707
-Maria Juliana, chr. 11 May 1711
-Catha. Cecilia, chr. 8 Dec 1716
-Augustina, chr. 7 Sep 1723
-Maria de Siberia, chr 26 Apr 1725
-Mathiana, chr 30 Mar 1727
-Maria Isidra, no baptismal record, born bef 1729/30 (married Manuel Jaimes)
-Brijida, no baptismal record, born bef 1729/30 (married Joseph Theodoro Martin Ruis de Esparza)
-Juana Josepha, no baptismal record, born bef 1729/30 (married Miguel Antonio de Medina)

In reseaching records I've found this phrase used often and don't understand the translation. Can someone who speaks Spanish translate and solve my mystery?

"originarios y vicenos de este lugar"

On the subject of reasons for a death I've often found "hydropecia or hidropecia" any ideas?

Thanks, Linda in Everett

To Efrain Conrique:

Thank you for the explanation about "incorporated"

Saludos from Leticia Leon

Joseph Puentes and I had dinner tonight with and he presented me with a large number of letters from Nuestros Ranchos members expressing their gratitude for my work on the site, many of which included monetary contributions. I am extremely moved and grateful at members' generosity and throughtfulness. I discussed with Joseph that I could not accept the money, but that I would be willing to take the money and use it as the seed money to incorporate Nuestros Ranchos as a nonprofit so as to take it to the next level.

I have been on the Boards of a number of nonprofits and understand the work involved, but I think this group has been blessed with many volunteers and as long as we continue to have such involvement and keep our goals modest, we will inevitably succeed.

Please let me know if you would like to take part in this process. I am thinking it would be best to incorporate in Texas or California where we have the largest membership as having a resident in the state of incorporation is a requirement.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/texas/forming-nonprofit-corporat…

ESPAÑOL

Joseph Puentes y yo cenamos junto esta noche y al fin de la cena me presentó un gran número de cartas de miembros de Nuestros Ranchos expresando su agradecimiento por mi trabajo en el sitio, y muchas de las cartas incluían aportaciones dinerarias. Estoy muy conmovido y agradecido a los miembros por su generosidad y consideración. Le dije a Joseph que no podía aceptar el dinero, pero que yo estaría dispuesto a tomar el dinero y utilizarlo como el capital inicial para incorporar Nuestros Ranchos como una organización sin fines de lucro a fin de llevar a la orgnización al próximo nivel.

He sido parte de las mesas directivas de un número de organizaciones sin fines de lucro y entiendo el trabajo que supone mi propuesta, pero creo que este grupo ha sido bendecido con muchos voluntarios y mientras sigamos teniendo esa participación y mantengamos nuestros objetivos modestos, inevitablemente tendremos éxito.

Por favor, hágamelo saber si le gustaría tomar parte en este proceso. Pienso que lo mejor sería incorporar en Texas o California, donde tenemos los números más grandes de miembros ya que un requisito es tener un agente residente en el estado de incorporación.

Leticia,
"Incorporation" is a formal/legal manner of organizing and managing an
entity (con personalidad juridica) that is something very similar to the
Mexican SDRL (Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada) and is highly
recommended when one wishes to shield the participants from
"individual/personal" liability that may otherwise occur for acts of the
organization or other members, and it also provides a path for continuity
or "permanency" of the organization even when shareholders (or in the
contemplated case, "members") change along the way.

When "Non-profit" (sin proposito de lucro) status is recognized, the
corporation does not incur "income taxes" and financial donors can "deduct"
their donations from their Income Tax Reports.

Saludos,

Efrain

> From: Leticia Leon
> To:
> Date: 4/12/2009 4:22:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]FW: Re: The next step for Nuestros
Ranchos - El pr

Hello all.

I have found a family in my line that sometimes goes by PLACENCIA, and at other time they are registered as ROBLES.

My 4 gg-mother is MONICA PLACENCIA, married in 1815 to JULIAN ALVARADO in Moyahua, Zacatecas.

I found that on her children's records, she is MONICA PLACENCIA, and her father is JOSE ONOFRE PLACENCIA (her mother is JUANA MARIA DE TORRES).

However--in her marriage record and her siblings' marriage records, they are all DE ROBLES.

Can anyone shed light on this?

Thank you!
-Claudia

Arturo,

This thread being sent to the general membership as requested.

Efrain.

----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos
To: conrique1@earthlink.net
Sent: 4/12/2009 9:52:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The next step for Nuestros Ranchos - El pr

I'm in California and would be willing to help. I think the concept is sound, for covering site fees alone if nothing else.

I think that by-laws would have to include the process by which money distribution is determined. For example, would we have scholarship/executive committee "meetings" via mailing list, Skype, or other? Also, in thinking of a group by-laws, I think that membership should always be free but perhaps a professional genealogist or other service provider who works in our focus area would be able to pay annual dues to be a "professional member" and have some sort of advertisement on the site. We could also use funds for printing and mailing of a printed newsletter, directory, or educational materials. I think that if we incorporate, we should think about some ways for those not online to both contribute and receive benefit from group membership such as with any genealogical society, such as book borrowing, research assistance, etc.

Dream big. =)

-Patti

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Incorporating: Benefits and Help Needed
Sent: Apr 12, 2009 8:20 AM

Raquel:

The primary benefit of incorporating as a 501(c)(3) would be the ability of the group to take donations and have those donations be tax deductible. I have often thought it would be great to be able to sponsor members (or others researching our area of interest) in a variety of different ways, such as:
1. Financial assistance in publishing genealogical research
2. Sponsorships of speakers at genealogical conferences
3. Scholarships for members to attend genealogical conferences

Previously the only way that you could search the site was by being a member and being logged in. We have now implemented a limited search function for visitors to the site who are not logged in. The search function is through Google so it only shows results for the "public" areas of the site, basically the forums.

If you would like to get more complete search results, the full search function is still available when you are logged in. You will notice that the search field and button change and that you get much fuller results when you use the site search function. Please let us know what you think.

ESPAÑOL:
Hasta ahora, búsquedas en el sitio se podian realizar solamente siendo miembro y estando ingresado al sitio. Ahora hemos implementado una función limitada de búsqueda para visitantes quienes no están ingresados al sitio. La función es através de Google así que muestra resultados solamente de las áreas "públicas" del sitio, o sea los foros.

Si quiere obtener resultados más completos, la función completa aún queda disponible si está usted ingresado al sitio. Verá que el campo y boton de búsqueda cambian y que los resultados son mas completos cuando usa la funcíon de búsqueda del sitio. Por favor dejenos saber lo que piensa de este cambio.

Excel would be a great format for me to work with. However, I am not sure about Cousins in Google. Since it will be members contact information, I have to ask,what is their policy on the use of our information. Would it be better to have a place here on our site? Like creating content, members would be in charge of entering the information and how they are related? One volunteer could be in charge of problems with that particular content. Or members submit the information to someone in the group and that person could enter the data. Joseph, if this is too much to ask, I will understand.

Maureen Bejar