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To Juan Carlos Aguayo
I apologize for adding to the immense quantity of messages on this site. I prefer communicating with only those to whom my research is relevant, but I don't have your individual e-mail address.
I viewed your folder on the Nuestros Ranchos website, but only saw a two generation listing of Duran. Is this all you have posted to date? I would very much like to compare my Aguayo research -- the descendents of Antonio Aguayo, ca. 1542 to 1672, from around Purificacion and Nochistlan -- with whatever you might know. I have also connected my immediate Aguayo ancestors going back from my father to his GGG Grandfather in Aguascalientes. This takes me back to ca. 1780.
Jose Aguayo

Claudia-----I think the link I sent didn't work because it is from a group list of articles from scholarly journals that is sent to me (I subscribed for it). Here is the page that was sent to me. Maybe if you search for it you can subscribe. This article was free, but some I have to pay for. I will try to send the PDF file to your e-mail account. Sorry about that.
Emilie

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Journal of Marriage and Family

Published on behalf of the
National Council on Family Relations

Winner of the American Sociological Association's Section on Race, Gender, and Class Distinguished Article Award

Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans: Ethnicity, Gender, and Class

In the February 2007 issue of the Journal of Marriage and Family authors Natalia Sarkisian, Mariana Gerena, Naomi Gerstel write, "Feminist scholars who first developed the intersectional framework pointed out the interlocking nature of race, gender, and class inequalities. Their primary concern was bringing race/ethnicity and class to the center of gender studies. We argue that it is equally important to introduce gender and class into race/ethnicity studies. In this article, we demonstrate the importance of such an intersectional approach to race/ ethnicity by focusing on Mexican American extended families in the United States and comparing them to those of Euro Americans. The article addresses a contemporary debate concerning racial/ethnic differences in extended family life..."

To see the full text of this article click here or visit:
www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-in/fulltext/118493337/PDFSTART

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Hola, Daniel:

Me alegro de que seas español pues así no tendrás ningún problema porque me dirija a ti en tu lengua materna, esta bella lengua española. En principio, tienes mucha razón: en México existe racismo. No a nivel oficial, en ningún documento encontrarás que tengas que anotar la “raza” de nadie, pero sí como un pesado atavismo que nos dejó el eurocentrismo desde la época colonial. Un atavismo que afecta muchas relaciones informales y no pocas formales, aunque nadie estaría dispuesto a confesarlo. Si tú no conoces el país y ves la televisión mexicana, por ejemplo, pensarás que en México hay un elevado porcentaje de la población con ojos claros. No es un problema exclusivamente mexicano, lo verás en general en Latinoamérica. Los comerciales de la televisión peruana, como otro ejemplo, te harían pensar que la población del Perú es muy similar a la de Dinamarca. Asimismo en Colombia, donde hay un elevado porcentaje de población negra. Si tú ves un comercial de la televisión colombiana no habrá un negro pero ni pasando por allá lejos. En cambio, como paradoja, observa a los jugadores de la Selección Colombiana de Fútbol.

En México es común que en una misma familia existan miembros “güeritos” y “prietitos”. Por un amigo de la época estudiantil, yo conocí a una familia chiapaneca, de muy buena posición económica pues poseía una finca cafetalera en los Altos de Chiapas. De lo seis hermanos, dos tenían muchos problemas psicológicos y habían caído en el alcoholismo como resultado de la sobreprotección que la madre había ejercido sobre ellos a causa de que eran morenos. Es decir que los veía como si hubieran nacido con algún impedimento físico o algún tipo de invalidez.

Hola amigos de Nuestros Ranchos,

on the 15th of this month we will go again to the homeland of my family to preside among others an international competition of high school students in history from Poland, the Czech Republic and Germany. The title will be: "Silesian Castles and Palaces". The event will take place at Schloss Tannhausen http://www.jedlinka.pl/ . I will represent the family Boehm, owners until the end of Wold War II in 1945.

My contribution to this event will be:
How did the landless knights (castellan/burgrave) survive in the newly formed admistration of the feudal countryside (manorial system/Grundherrschaft) around 1400 in Silesia?
more: http://www.boehm-chronik.com/seminars.htm

We will be back in the beginning of October.

Best regards from Upstate New York,
Guenter Boehm (*1939 in Silesia)

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"Böhm-Chronik"
http://www.boehm-chronik.com
600-jährige Geschichte einer Familie
in Schlesien (1329-1948)
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In light of recent discussions on this site about ethnicity in Mexico, here is an interesting article titled "Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans: Ethnicity, Gender, Class" that I thought might be interesting to those of us in the US with Euro and Mexican ancestors. (Requires PDF reader).

www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-in/fulltext/118493337/PDFSTART

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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Victor,

Lo que yo sugiero es que vayas al Centro de La Historia Familiar mas cercana. Alli puedes pedir el microfilm de los matrimonios en Encarnacion para los anyos 1871-1900. Recuerda que no todos los microfilmes tienen un indice correspondiente. Luego puedes leer el micro y estudiar el informe. Tardan mucho los filmes para llegar pero vale la pena. Especialmente en tu situacion.

En cuanto al apellido Martinez- se usan abreviaturas en los manuscritos de partidas. Martin. es una de esas abrreviaturas. La 's' en Fraustos puede ser el resultado de una equivocacion. Que tengas muy buena suerte en tu busqueda. Si crees que pueda yo ayduarte, escribe.

David

Joseph, I have both, Gutierrez and Dias in my mother's side of the family; however, they are from Ocotlan and surrounding areas. I was just curious if San Juan de Los Lagos was close to Guadalajara, if so we could have a connection at some point.

And thank you for sending me the list. I will take care of it this morning. I have this problem with learning and I believe I learn by being shown how to do things versus written instructions that I have to figure out on my own.

Have a nice day, and I am glad that you and your family are well after this recent hurricane. --Esther

I guess I don't really need the actual record but would like to know if anyone
in the group might have this couple in their database AND more importantly if
you know Francisco's parents:

MARIA DE LA MERCED DEL REFUGIO DIAS GUTIERES Pedigree
Christening: 02 OCT 1794 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

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JOSE ESTANISLAUO DIAS GUTIERRES Pedigree
Christening: 02 OCT 1798 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERRES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

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JUANA ROSALIA DIAS GUTIERRES Pedigree
Christening: 30 DEC 1799 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERRES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

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I guess I don't really need the actual record but would like to know if anyone in the group might have this couple in their database AND more importantly if you know Francisco's parents:

MARIA DE LA MERCED DEL REFUGIO DIAS GUTIERES Pedigree
Christening: 02 OCT 1794 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

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JOSE ESTANISLAUO DIAS GUTIERRES Pedigree
Christening: 02 OCT 1798 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERRES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

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JUANA ROSALIA DIAS GUTIERRES Pedigree
Christening: 30 DEC 1799 San Juan De Los Lagos,
Father: FRANCO. DIAS Family
Mother: MARIA DE SNJOSE. GUTIERRES
C603388 1793 - 1800 0220649

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com
http://nuestrosranchos.org

Joseph,

I have not received any email from Nuestros Ranchos since last weekend. As
far as I know, nothing in my system has changed. I've been getting other
email as usual. However, it is possible that a disruption in service from
NetAddress may have caused a few emails to bounce, but I am not aware of any
problems they may have had. I went online to check the website this morning
and answered a question from one of the members, but even that message did
not make it back to my email address. For some unknown reason, the system
decided to lock me out. I would appreciate your looking into this matter.

Thank you,
Bill

I've added New Files Added To Folder
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13828 please go there in the files
under "Puentes, Joseph" to see my genealogy for the following new files:

AntonioGonzalez 68.18 KB
DiazDeTlaltenango 301.52 KB
JacintoBanuelosBartolaCiprianaTorres 127.75 KB
JoseMariaRivas 363.32 KB

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

I wanted to share the fact that I was recently contacted by a priest in the Peoria, Illinois diocese for some help confirming the relationship of some men in the diocese to Saint Cristobal Magallanes Jara. He had found my database online and I was able to trace the men's mother's ancestry back to a shared common root to the Saint. Father Jared was kind enough to mention me in his article in the Catholic Post.

http://www.cdop.org/post/PostArticle.aspx?ID=218

Three Mendota families have a saint in their genealogical tree

MENDOTA — It’s not often that Catholics can say they have a canonized saint in the family, but three families of Holy Cross Parish are honored to call a Mexican priest and martyr of the 20th century “cousin.”

Two of the families are those of brothers: Rogelio Magallanes and his wife Herminia, and Jose Magallanes and his wife Martha and daughters Elizabeth and Lorena. The third family is that of Manuel Magallanes, cousin of Rogelio and Jose’s father.

Through their fathers, the three men are distant cousins of St. Cristóbal Magallanes Jara (1869-1927), one of a group of 25 Mexican martyrs canonized in 2000 by Pope John Paul II. However, Rogelio and Jose have an even closer kinship to St. Cristóbal on their mother’s side.

Jose has lived in the U.S. for 22 years, but Rogelio arrived here about 10 years earlier. They and Manuel are among the two-thirds of the Mexican immigrants living in Mendota who come from St. Cristóbal’s home town of Totatiche, located in the Central Mexican state of Jalisco, according to Father Fredi Gomez Torres, administrator of Holy Cross Parish.

Rogelio and Jose’s maternal grandmother Juana, or “Juanita,” was the granddaughter of St. Cristóbal’s first cousin, Albino Jara Araña. Juana’s kinship to the saint was confirmed by Arturo Ramos of Washington, D.C., a researcher who specializes in Northern Jalisco genealogy.

Juana made sure that her family was aware that Totatiche’s martyred pastor was their cousin, according to Rogelio.

While Rogelio and Jose do not attribute any specific graces or miracles in their lives to his intercession, they do believe that they benefit from his protection and guidance.

“We feel very, very happy and blessed to have him in the family,” Rogelio said.

Por si acaso no habian escuchado de esto... la gente en la tierra de nuestros ancestros esta sufriendo de los efectos de las lluvias e inundaciones.

In case you had not heard about this... the people in the land of our ancestors are suffering due to heavy rains and flooding.

Río Xaloco destroza Tlaltenango; 3 muertos
El desbordamiento del río Xaloco dejó 15 mil damnificados, la mitad de la población de este municipio al sur de Zacatecas, así como tres muertos, 23 desaparecidos, cinco comunidades incomunicadas, 2 mil viviendas dañadas y 500 vehículos afectados

Irma Mejía Corresponsal
EL UNIVERSAL
Sábado 19 de julio de 2008
TLALTENANGO, Zac.— El desbordamiento del río Xaloco dejó 15 mil damnificados, la mitad de la población de este municipio al sur de Zacatecas, así como tres muertos, 23 desaparecidos, cinco comunidades incomunicadas, 2 mil viviendas dañadas y 500 vehículos afectados.
El río pasa por el centro de la cabecera municipal y hasta ahora no se había registrado una corriente de agua importante, pero los escurrimientos de la sierra de Morones alimentaron su cauce e inundó la zona.

A las dos de la mañana, la fuerza del agua comenzó a golpear las casas y despertó a sus habitantes, y en dos horas más el agua alcanzó dos metros de altura y arrastraba todo lo que encontraba a su paso, lo que obligó a la gente a refugiarse en los techos de sus casas.

Varias horas después, cuando descendió el nivel del agua y la fuerza de la corriente, el ambiente era desolador y los pobladores pasaron del miedo a la impotencia y a la desolación. Dos menores y una anciana habían muerto, al menos 23 personas habían desaparecido. “A dondequiera que volteábamos a ver había lodo y destrozos”, dijo uno de los vecinos.

En el centro de la cabecera municipal había vehículos amontonados, viviendas destruidas, muebles rotos. “Nos quedamos sin nada”, agregó otro vecino.

Los habitantes de otras cinco comunidades —Ciénega, Mesa de Palmira, Carrecillos, Fresno y Morones— quedaron incomunicados y en la cabecera municipal, en los barrios de Veracruz, Alameda, Obispo, San José y San Pascual, las viviendas se inundaron.

Ante la magnitud del desastre, el Ejército implementó el Plan DN-III y soldados de la 11 Zona Militar llegaron al lugar para desalojar a los habitantes y llevarlos a cuatro albergues instalados en el municipio.

Buenas dias a todos, he realizado con ayuda de “nuestros ranchos” y
entrevistas a familiares mi arbol genealogico hasta una septima generacion,
lo cual representa casi 200 años. me he encontrado problemas en la linea de
mi abuelo materno solo he avanzado 4 generaciones, los datos con que cuento
son los siguientes:

Abuelo materno Refugio Gomez Ramirez año de nacimiento
1915 ó 1916 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco ó Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Bisabuelos Felipa Ramirez y Bernardo Gomez.

Podrán indicarme en que bases de datos buscar ya que en FamilySearch no he
encontrado nada de ellos.

Agradesco su valiosa ayuda.

Atte

Mario Gonzalez Gomez

Does anyone know how I can obtain information about this rancho. "EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO"? I have tried looking it up on the internet and found nothing at all. No census or if it even exists? Can anyone tell something about it or at least guide me. My paternal grandmother was from this rancho and I can't find anything on her either. Her name CAMILA ESTRADA born abt. 1894 passed away around 1937. I wonder if San Juan de Los Lagos would be a place to find some kind of documents on her.

Any help would be appreciated.

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

Has anyone been able to trace information on the place of birth and the name of the parents of Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus?

Monday, Sep 8, 2008

Dear Angelina--

Yes, I have this book. It is about the size and shape of the yellow pages and has 828 pages plus. Mine is the Segunda edicion aumentada y corregida 2002.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Angelina Markle wrote:

> From: Angelina Markle
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] BLASONS Y APELLIDOS by Fernando Munoz Altea
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:49 PM
> Hello - by any chance does anyone have this book? If so
> would you mind
> looking something up? -Angelina-

for Veronica Rahorn:

The word Tepusco seems to signify copper. The book "Nombres indigenas de todas las ciudades y municipios de la republica mexicana" by Gral. Gabriel Gavira, Mexico, 1953, has the following:

Tepuxtepec - Residencia del dios de cobre o cerro de cobre
Tepoxcolula - Lugar donde se tuerce el metal o de ganchos de cobre.

Gloria Delgado, Albany CA

Hi Anita--

I've been working on an extensive Banuelos family tree from Ranchos Las Bocas, located close to Huejucar (not too far from Tepetongo and Juanchorrey). I did not locate the names you mentioned in my tree, but I suspect that your Banuelos branch is related to mine.

I did find this:

GERMAN BANUELOS CARLOS Pedigree
Male

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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 29 MAY 1851 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: CLETO BANUELOS Family
Mother: CLEMENCIA CARLOS
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C600836 1850 - 1858 0445161

I do have some Tepetongo films, but not this one. If you look up the record, it may list the grandparents' names. If so, that may help me to see if your Banuelos family connects with mine. I have at a few Banuelos women marrying Gonzales men.

Let me know what you think.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
>From: anna1m
>Sent: Aug 27, 2008 12:56 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos
>
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>Greetings from Lockhart, Tx: I need help with backtracking my Bañuelos ancestors. Marcelo Gonzales Bañuelos b 7 Jan 1859 in Juanchorrey Zac, son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzales and Maria de Jesus Bañuelos b abt 1837, daughter of Anacelso (Aka Cleto) Bañuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Any help is appreciated as the present dialogue is very interesting. Thanks - Anita

Hello - by any chance does anyone have this book? If so would you mind
looking something up? -Angelina-

Hello to everyone, my name is Cecilia and I am re-introducing myself to the group. I have been a member for a little while and I thank all of you sent me information on my Olivar Family. I have been reading the discussions about the Villalobos family. My great-grandfather was Tomas Villalobos married to Carmen De Los Santos who died in childbirth when my grandmother Jacoba Villaobos was born July 25 1901, Jacoba married Jose Olivar. It is said that Tomas died in a mine accident in Arizona in about 1914. That's all I know about the Villalobos side of my family. I have more on the Olivar side and you can see it on my family tree. But I really am stuck and any little bit of info on my families is greatly appreciated. Thanks to all, and hello again

Greetings from Lockhart. A question for Leticia Salazar. I have been looking over your info and it looks like our lines cross with Luiz Antonio Francisco Correa married to Juana Petra Carlos. Also with Bernardo Ignacio Gonzalez married to Juana Michaela del Muro. Do you have source references from that point back? Also when I get to Josepha Gonzalez you show two. One Josepha Gonzales married to unknown and mother of Juan Gonzalez and one Josepha Gonzales de Aro married to Manuel de la Torre and mother of Juana del Torre. Both Josephas are shown as daughters of Gabriel Gonzalez and Maria Anna de Quero. Were these two different daughters with the same name or only one who married twice. I am confused as there are no dates shown. Thanks for all the research you have done and shared. Anita