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busco a mi padre,se llama vive en estados unidos hace mas de 10 anos que
no sabemos de el,lo ultimo que supe es que vivia en arizona,por favor si
alguin lo conose pueden comunicarse conmigo a mi mail
(justdaya1129@YAHOO.COM) MUCHAS GRACIAS

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If anybody on the list happens to know this person email them directly
at: justdaya1129@YAHOO.COM

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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Does anyone descend from this line? I need some help. I have done research about the this family extensivley? And have come to a conclusion that this surname was created when Antonio Dias de la Loma married Luis Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza. Does anyone about this stuff? I do have Antonio del Pascual y Dias de la Loma's baptism record. He was baptized Antonio del Pascual y Dias de la Loma on February 10, 1645 ( I have the film #) in Villalba De La Loma, Valladolid, Spain, (thats prob where his mother got the Dias de la Loma surname, from the city name? His parents are Antonio DEL PASCUAL, yes, PASCUAL is the surname. and his mother Maria Dias de la Loma, for some reason when he arrived in Mexico prob. around 1670 or so becuase he was married in 1674 to Luisa Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza in Aguascalientes (Luisa's mother is Lorenza Ruis de Esparza y Navarro de Gabay b. ca. 1600. All the Tiscareno must be related because we do know tha Luis Tiscareno de Molina y Marques brought to Mexico from Triana, Seville, Castilla-La Mancha, Spain around 1620. He was married to Lorenza de Esparza on May 16, 1623 in Aguas. This is my fathers line and would like to know more about it: Here is the list:

Daniel Alejandro Mendez del Camino b. 2 Jun 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 24 Mar 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
Martin Mendez Serrano b. Feb 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
Lucia Serrano Rubio b. ca. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
Maria Daria Atilana del Refugio Rubio Aceves b. Oct 1856 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco
Jose Antonio Rubio Diaz b.ca. 1814 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco
Maria Guadalupe Dias de Tiscareno y Gutierres b.ca. 1790 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco
Joseph Joachin Dias de Tiscareno y de Ruvio b.ca. 1770 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco
Nicolas Miguel Dias de Tiscareno y de la Pedrosa b. Jan 1734 in Ojuelos, Jalisco (baptz. in Cienega de Mata
Nicolas Dias de Tiscareno b. ca. 1705 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
MISSING GENERATION (BUT I THINK THAT GRANPARENTS ARE ANTONIO DIAS DE LA LOMA AND LUISA DE TISCARENO, I WILL ORDER THE FILM FOR THE CHILDREN AND FIND THE GRANDPARENTS!)
Luisa Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza b. ca. 1650 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
Lorenza Ruis de Esparza b. ca. 1610 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
Lope Ruiz de Esparza b.ca. 1569 en Ciudad Esparza, Pamplona, Navarre, Spain

The National Archives site provides a lot of background information - the why and how - of the border crossing records. See that information at this site:

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html

This will provide valuable insight into why, how, and what information was gathered. Parts 2,3, & 5 are particularly informative.

Since my family crossed into US in 1916, I am waiting for the border records from El Paso, 1905-1927 (non-statistical): A3406, comprised of 119 rolls. Also want to see A3412, statistical, comprised of 96 rolls.

The filming is scheduled to be completed by next spring or summer, I think (2008).

Natalie

Does anybody know how to obtain copies of land grants given to the Espanoles in Mexico? I know I descend from several HAcendados from old Mexico, but im most interested in the land grant made on Feb 17, 1899 in Huanusco, Zacatecas. They have an original copy at the Hacienda de la Luz where my moms side of the family owned. The Camino family. My 3rd great grandfather Mariano Camino b. 1853 owned HAcienda de la Luz from 1899 to his death in 1915. Then his son (my 2 great grand uncle) suceeded him as the next Hacendado his name was Manuel Camino (b. 1878). He only had the hacienda for two years. (1915-1917). In 1917 is when my grandfather says the Mexican gov't abolished all the HAcendados, Haciendas, and made all the land under the control of the govt. Prior to 1917 the Haciendas were "self" governed by representation of the HAcendado on behalf of the gov't. I would also like to obtain other land grants for other haciendad their family owned. Hacienda La Labor en Calvillo, Ags. I was thinking it might be in the Archivo General de la Nacion, but not sure where to look. Only one child of Mariano was actually born on the hacienda which was Amilia Camino (b. 1899) when the hacienda was officially established. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks a lot. Any help is appreciated. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Hola al grupo ,

No se si tu tienes información de la ciudad de origen del Capitan Alvaro Carrillo segun el historiador Ignacio Davila Garibi decia que era de Sevilla, España, un amigo mio el Arq. Jose Francisco Garza Carrillo l no ha podiodo pasar mas alla del Capitan Alvaro Carrillo, lo ha buscado en pasajeros a indias y otros documentos y nada, El capitan Alvaro Carrillo se casó con María Alvarez, hija del Capitan Lorenzo Alvarez y de Agustina de Viera y estos se velaron en Lagos de Moreno el 4 de marzo de 1585. Gracias Welester
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Who if anyone is doing Godoy/Godoi research either in Tlaltenango or
Tepechitlan? Possibly from a rancho called Rancho las Lunas?

I have a cousin who is doing this research and wanted to see if he has
cousins in the group.

joseph

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Joseph, et al:

I am sorry that I never got around to going to look at these records. I know that a number of you had requested that I look up records for you. I believe that my grandfather is in these records as well.

Are you going to come up to DC and look through these Joseph? If so when? Perhaps I can join you. Anyone else who wants records looked up please let us know.

Joseph, we will have to contact the librarian listed in the message and let her know when we will be there as they will have to take the film out of a vault or something as it is not in the regular film drawers.

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From: Joseph Puentes
Date: Fri Jun 09 01:43:53 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Paso, Texas Border crossing records

Now this might not be too much help but awhile back Arturo Ramos posted this message and it might be appropriate to revive it. I know the next time I have some research time in DC this is the material I plan to study. The 1920 Census records for my Puentes family indicates they crossed in 1911. . .I'm hoping they are on this material. You never know but maybe this film can be copied and distributed to some of the other NARA branches in the US.

joseph

Alice,

I finally found the page I used to register. I hope the link below works on your end. If it doesn't, it could be that they are overwhelmed with requests to register and can't handle them all. They tried to limit the number of users so they can effectively handle the feedback and work out the kinks in the pilot, so they might be blocking further requests for registration.

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/web/register

Emilie

Has anyone ever seen an example of a padrino for a marriage or baptism
that wore the same surname of either the parents or the couple being
married that WASN'T a relative?

Example. A person wears the name of Garcia and he marries someone and in
the record it lists that the padrinos were Juan Garcia and Manuela Lopez.

Has anyone ever seen an example in the records from 1800's (not modern
times) where that padrino surnamed "Garcia" was proven to NOT BE a relative?

NOTE: I know that the padrinos were not always relatives but I'm
wondering if there are examples of padrinos with the same surname of one
of the people involved have been proven to NOT BE relatives.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

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Subject: SOMOS PRIMOS July 2007 Table of Contents lq3
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spjul07/spjul07.htm

Dear pimos and friends:

Hope you all have a safe and fun July 4th. Remember our ancestors
helped bring about the victory!! For the 3rd year Hector Diaz will be
participating as part of the National Archives festivities in
Washington, D.C..

It is exciting to see the increasing of heritage activities across the
nations, which are including and recognizing the Hispanic/Latino
historical presence.

For example, new volunteer (we all are!) Somos Primos staff member,
Rafael Ojeda is moving two projects forward: identifying all the
Hispanic Purple Heart recipients, and the forming of a Spanish colonial
unit of reenactors in the state of Washington.

However, much understanding is still needed. Just this morning my
husband showed me an article in the latest U.S. News and World Report,
July 2/July 9, page 45: "Before 1848, Calfironia was just the sleepy
northern frontier of Mexico. The popultion consisted of at least
300,000 native Indians and _only 700 foreigners, *most of whom were
Americans*."_ No mention of the Spanish/Mexican presence.

I hope you will all be on the look-out for examples of */racism by
omission/ *in your area, and share with Somos Primos readers.

Warm regards, Mimi

UNITED STATES
The making of Hispanic in the Military by Eddie Martinez

ACTION ITEMS
The David M. Gonzales - William Kouts Story
A medal, a debt, both of honor
Defend the Honor Update
Copy of letter from Major General Montano to Tom Brokaw
Interested third party: "Mexican Stand-off " . . of sorts
Air Show in Reading, Pennsylvania
Hispanic military museum is planned for San Antonio
Free Ramos and Compean

I have been able to access Zacatecas, but it doesn't appear that Tlaltenango
is on the census data....

I haven't been able to access Tangacicuaro, Michoacan either (sigh).

But I've found some great data from Coahuila....verified the legacy of the
"teacher" story with my great aunt.

Did anyone else have this problem?

Esperanza

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Below is a message I found on the webmaster's blog about problems with registration. Maybe this will help you.

Linda:

Also, I was unable to see all that was on their drop-down menus due to the resolution on my computer. I have the lower resolution of 800 x 600 so the fonts and screen image appear larger due to my bad eyesight so I see only a part of the screen. Currently the pilot program is set to be viewed full screen at 1024 x 768 which would make everything look smaller on my computer, but the drop-down menus could be seen in their entirety.

Also, I was unable to exit out of the drop-downs because they have the OK and Cancel at the bottom and I was unable to drag the menu up high enough to see that, so I had to exit out of the whole thing to get rid of it. Maybe that is why I couldn't see Zacatecas on the census list--it was too far down out of view, since I never saw Zacatecas on the list. I'm glad that not all the images are as poor as the one for Pabellon that I saw. They said they would work on those problems of resolution and moving the OK and Cancel up to the top of the menu; feedback to me was quick.

Emilie
1.. Bill Mangum Says:
June 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
The new name is "Record Search". To Register you must follow the link to Record Search. Then you must select "Register to use Record Search". The window that comes up may be blocked by a pop-up blocker and you will have to accept pop-ups from this site to proceed.

After completing the registration it can be up to a working day before you are activated and receive a welcome e-mail notifying you that you can now use "Record Search".

There is a good write up that was posted today by Dear Myrtle that provides some pointers on using the system - http://blog.dearmyrtle.com/2007/06/browse-unindexed-microfilm-online-to….
Hope this helps

I was wondering if anyone knows how I can contact Deena Ortiz? Does about an ancestor in Nochistlan. Does anyone have her email? Thanks. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Hi, Maureen:

I asked my local library and they do not get the ancestry.com site, so I was
disappointed. Thank-you for telling us how you managed to make the images
on the border crossing records print out larger!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hi, Mary:

I found them on Ancestry.com. On their home page, they have data listing
next to the census record area of the page. I click on the part that says
"see all data bases," or something like that and it gives you a big list,
where the Mexican border crossing records is listed. Click on that and it
takes you to the search page. I don't know what the site address to it is
right now, because I do not get Ancestry.com, myself, but was able to use a
friend's one day and went to town for a couple of hours looking up everyone
I could that day. Good thing, because I haven't been able to use it since.
Good luck!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hi, Alice and "Ybinsouthsac":

>From Arturo's link you can register for the pilot program. Click on "Register" without typing in your e-mail address at first, then the fields to register should come up. Otherwise you will just keep getting a message that your e-mail is not registered for the pilot program.

After you complete the registration fields and "submit", you should get a confirmation e-mail telling you that your account is activated. Remember to type in the funny code letters in the box in the blank field next to them before you click "submit".

Good luck,

Emilie

I have posted in the links section a new link to Lynn Turner's Hispanic Genealogy blog. The collection of information is very good and includes a link to the Mexico 1930 Census online.

http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com/

He montado un nuevo vinculo en la seccion de vinculos a la pagina de Lynn Tuner que trata de la genealogia hispana. La coleccion de informacion es muy buena e incluye un vinculo al censo de Mexico de 1930 disponible en linea.

I pretty sure all of you already know about the new website that will be relaunched on September 2008 by our church. I am told that they first will release the digitlized records for the Us. census 1790-1910 and then SEVERAL groups wll be assigned to get feed the master copier to make the records in HD to get the best picture and will actually clean the records for digitilizing. This will be great for those burned, stained, ripped and messed up records, The machine will do something to restore to its original thing. I was kind confused when I heard this. Then it will be easier to transcribe them so that there will be less chance of bad recording and then linking them to their digitilized record. A friend of our family went to Salt Lake for the sole purpose of this two hour intro and crash course for the new project. She was told that volunteers are going to be needed to do indexing! but there is already several thousands of members from the LDS church in Salt Lake that are prepared for this. The more the faster it will be. The earlist Mexican records will be released along with their digital record by January 2009! But if things go smooth it can be released faster. If you want to get a preview to the new website I have the link. And if you register right now youll be able to view the 1930 Mexican Cenus online!

Hi there Arturo ,
Thanks for this site , I've only just looked at it and it seems pretty good .

On a different note , I used to use the asterisk instead of a first name in Family Search IGI , but as you know they changed a few things on the site . Here's my question " Have you found a new way to duplicate the results from using either the * or the % " ?.

Welester > I have posted in the links section a new link to Lynn Turner's Hispanic Genealogy blog. The collection of information is very good and includes a link to the Mexico 1930 Census online.
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Hello Corrine,
Last night I went to my local FHC to view a microfilm that I had
requested, but got sidetracked when the volunteer asked if I had any
questions. The thought prompted by Tomas's earlier email regarding
relatives who immigrated to the USA to never be heard from again (my dad
actually does recall their visits back to Mexico when he was a young
child). The volunteer helped me find a great uncle who immigrated to
Wichita, Kansas during the early 1900's. I found several of his border
crossing manifests, along with his wife's. Wow, it had their birth
date, birthplace, occupation, height, age, coloring, how much money they
carried, and even an address in Wichita. I too never found a census
record for him or his family, but I plan to ask my father for more
information. I recall him saying that this couple lost some sons in
WWII, but I need to know their names first. I would love to make
contact with their descendants.
Please keep me posted on your finding. I'm totally new to this.
My experience is mostly in the arena of microfilm of Mexican records...
Thanks for sharing your story,
Irma Gomez-Lucero
N. Calif.

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700
From: "Corrine Ardoin"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about
my Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the
records, unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able
to make them larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't
know why Ancestry did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some
great information, some records even have photos!

I have noticed until now that some films state Hijos Legitimos, Hijos Naturales, Hijos Illegitimos and then just regular baptisms. Im having some truoble becuase im gonna orde rsome films but dont know the difference between these titles..Which one would you order or should i look at all of them? Thank You. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

I have an applicant to the group that is trying to find living relatives
in Malpaso. She doesn't appear to want to do genealogical research but
that might change as I communicate with her. I told her to call all the
Saucedo's in Malpaso, Zacatecas and she asked how she could find a
listing of them. I told her I'd ask around and of course you're the
first on my list. Does anyone currently have a phone directory for Malpaso?

If not does anyone know where I can get one?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

(espanol sigue abajo)

The Films database is now working correctly again, such that when you click on an IGI or VRI button, the site brings up the entire contents of that film/batch from which you can then refine further by clicking on the "Refine Search" link on the upper right of the screen.

The buttons had not been working correctly since the updates to the familysearch site several weeks back which disallowed the use of wildcards ("%") in searches. If you are new to the group, I strongly suggest you go in and test out the database. It is one of the most valuable functions of the site which was built by many hours of group member volunteer efforts.

ESPANOL

La base de datos de rollos de microfilmacion esta funcionando correctamente de nuevo, ya que cuando haga usted click a un boton de IGI o VRI, el sitio le mostrara todos los contenidos de ese rollo o batch. Desde ese listado puede usted refinar su busqueda au mas hacinedo click en vinculo que lee "Refine Search" en la parte superior derecha de la pagina. Si es usted nuevo al grupo, le sugiero que ingrese al sitio y pruebe la base de datos. Es una de las funciones mas valuables del sitio que se construyo con el esfuerzo conjunto de muchos voluntarios del grupo.

Los botones no habian funcionado correctamente desde que actualizaron el sitio familysearch hace varias semanas y descontinuaron el uso de simbolos como "%" para representar informaciones desconocidas.

Hello everyone,

Has anyone looked up military records through the Family History catalog and ordered them to their local center? I'd like to look up military records for Zacatecas, for 1865-1885, as my grandfather thinks his grandfather served in Zacatecas. I'd also like to do this through my local family center...can anyone help?

Chris Pineda

Good morning Esperanza ,

No , unfortunately no one has deciphered the meaning of any of the paintings or the petroglyphs . Jose Garza Carrillo told me that the best indian heads are in La Laguna in Coahuila . He and his son in law have written a book on the paintings and petroglyphs along with students and a professor from a university in the states .

Welester

> > > Hi Welester,> > Has anyone been able to decipher the meaning of these? They are similar to > the ones that I have seen in Coahuila (near Villa Union) on a ranch that is > owned by distant cousins.> > Esperanza> > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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