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Agapito (Augapito) ought to be really glad he bears that
name! Somebody loved him! That only means Loved One (from agape, the word for real love in the Greek language. Zenobio= Cenobio(a)
Senobio(a)= Zenon=Cenon(a)=Senon(a) a variation of the
same name which roughly translated means devoted to Zeus. Also spelled Xenon, Xenona. I have those and plenty
of Aurelios and Aurelianos in my family. Elvira
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Actually, they sound more like
Mexicans. If you can get it in your area, try to
watch a novela called 'Alborada". It's a historical novel about Mexico during the early 1800s. It'll give you a good idea of Mexico during that time. There are other historical novelas about Mexico you can either get on tape or CD. It covers costuming, vanilla plantations, duelos,
thieves, people with titles, religious orders, Jewish relations, Catholic Church, commerce with central America, la Nao de la China, ports of call, commerce with other latinamerican countries (ties were closer than we think), cochinilla, horses, carruajes, swordfighting, births (how registrations were not aways true), legitimate and illegitimate, morals, etc. Regarding hermanito, manito: this terminology is
found throughout the Spanish speaking world because of the priests telling the new converts that they were hermanitos, so is that particular pronounciation of acequia in just the way |
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Thanks! Yes, I know where my name derives from, but it's just not the same because everyone calls me "Peggy Sue" "Peggy Lou", or "Peggy Ann".... But, I didn't know that a Margarita was a daisy! I love that flower...it looks so happy and friendly. Thanks for the kind words! Again, Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!! > > From: Mary Allen> Date: 2005/12/22 Thu PM 06:21:14 EST > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family > > Hi Peggy: > > Actually, "Peggy" is a nickname, a diminuative, for Margaret and what could be prettier than Margarita? You really are a Margarita at heart. And Margaret, I believe, may come from the Greek for pearl. And margaritas are also lovely daisies. Merry Christmas! > > Mary > > Peggy Delgado wrote: > Here is a list of names in MY family tree: > > Narciso > Zerefina (or Zeferina) > Leonisio > Tranquilino > Plutarco > Abundio > Blas >
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Hi everyone! I feel like I am coming in late into
this conversation, nevertheless, here's my 2-bit contribution. I agree with Ed. I just received
more results from my DNA research. My Indian branch, which has thought of themselves as Indians (Tlaxcalans) have just received their dna results which indicate that they descend from a male line in northwest Europe (more closely related to the Vikings than the Spanish). It is haplpogroup I1a. Everybody is surprised (including one
of my doctor cousins who simply refuses to acknowledge the truth, never mind we the tests were run more than once on more than one individyal, by more than one company). It turns out that there is no memory in the family of anyone being Spanish on that side. For the last 300+ years, no one has said that they were mestizos, only Indian was mentioned on that male line. In fact, we even have stories about their fights with the Spanish and how they finally joined the Spanish. There |
Here is a list of names in MY family tree:NarcisoZerefina (or Zeferina)LeonisioTranquilinoPlutarcoAbundioBlasDeciderioGermanaRomualdaAbatoTirsoDionicioCasimiroSabinaSinecioI think they're all awesome, strong names, although I don't understand some of them. To me, they're all unique and very very cool. I wish my mom
had named me a typical Mexican name.....I've never liked my name and got teased a lot. Peggy, my name, sounds caucasian (nothing against caucasians, but I would have like something more .....I don't know....ethnic.......)Merry Christmas everyone!-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups
I started my genealogy research after we named our last child. But recently I told my wife, if I had known the names of my great---grandparents, uncles, and aunts, I would have named our children after them. She saw my list, and told me "No, Way!" In that case, I would of just given their middle names, like or not, since I usually gave her first choice of picking the first names. I still think our early ancestor's names were beautiful. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- elvirazwrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emilie Garcia > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Odd names WAS > > > No, Alberto, our ancestor's names were not unusual > in their time and place, but a name like Gorgonia > [Garcia], > > ---------------------------I do not see why it > would sound awful: It is from St. Gorgonia, one of > the early Christian saints. > > my father's
People seldom went by their given name, Concepcion became Chon.. Refugio became Cuko or Cuka, Maria de la Lus became Lucha.. my grandfather was Epitacio, they called him Pancho. My father is Aniceto but they call him Chet... Somehow when they added Don or Dona before the name it became even more special whatever it was... instant respect! Linda
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In a word--WOW!!! Marge:) On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:00 PM, David P. Delgado wrote:
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you said: I hope I sort of answered your question David. . .fabulous answer and I'm so glad I asked.
thanks for taking the time to share with us things we need to hear more
about and absorb. In fact why not consider adding a little here and
there and tossing in a few references and producing a podcast on this
subject. It is something that many many people need to hear and I'd be
very happy to archive your message in both Audio and written form on the
NFU podcast. What do you think?
And while we're at it what do you have to say about the addition or
subtraction of the "s" on names for example my name: Puentes. In the
older records I only see "Puente" but in the newer records it starts
showing up and persisting as "Puentes." Some folks now a days get this
big "tude" about "We are NOT Puente, we are PUENTES!" As for me I know
I'm a Puente but somewhere down the line the name got modified. . .and i
used to think it changed in the US but no, I see the change happening
in
No, not yet. Now that my wife is finally recovering from her serious illness, I plan to continue my family genealogy research, starting this coming January 2006. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Margarita Vallazzawrote: > I think you and I are related way back, but if not, > we have relatives > who are related to yours and mine. Have you found > any connections to > the Denas, Saldivars, Olagues, de la Torres, > Morrillos, Chaves, Ortiz, > Banuelos, Onates, etc., One of my emails to you had > a family connection > of sorts to you and you said you'd look it up. > Holidays are no excuse > to this prairie chick.:) Marge:) > On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote: > > > Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very > close? > > > > Just kidding. > > > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > > Santa Maria, California > > > > --- Margarita Vallazza > wrote: > > > > > Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was >
David, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the group. That's one of the things I love about this group, we can share records, opinions, personal family history, Mexican history, world history and learn from what members share. My world expands because of people like you... thank you again, Linda in Everett
Jose, It's been a long time since I tried to make use of my specialty- Spanish. I'd like to try to present my understanding of the use of language by Spanish speakers. As I recall, the language was first formed by the semitic linguists in the eighth century. Before 711 A.D. there was a tremendous diversity in terms of languages spoken in the Iberian peninsula. If you were to read the poems which are considered the earliest forms of Spanish you would barely recognize the language. After 1492 the newly-formed "Spanish" people retained a very negative, resentful and vengeful attitude toward anything or anyone of semitic origins. The government (monarchy) began a process of "ethnic cleansing" which extended into "purifying" the language. Up until the early years of the 16th century no one even attempted to make rules for spelling. The decision to make rules came from a small number of self-appointed experts not from the people who used the language. The early visitors to the
I have attached a marriage document where Miguel Gonzales marries Maria
de Jesus de la Torre Sanchez and when she dies he marries (his first
cousin) Maria de Jesus de la Torre Correa. If the priest had not
mentioned the "cadaver ...", how would one ever discover that he didn't
marry the same person twice. No maternal names are mentioned.
George Atascadero Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Another common coincidence is when a man or woman lost a spouse they
would re-marry and the second spouse would have the same given name as
the first spouse.
When my parents divorced my dad married an Esperanza and my mom's name
is Esperanza, when my Padrino in Ensenada lost his first wife Berta,
he married again to another Berta and I have found several cases in my
research of widows or widowers who re-married and married someone with
the same given name as their first spouse.
Could this be coincidence?
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Ca */Alberto Duarte/* wrote: Maybe. But
I think you and I are related way back, but if not, we have relatives who are related to yours and mine. Have you found any connections to the Denas, Saldivars, Olagues, de la Torres, Morrillos, Chaves, Ortiz, Banuelos, Onates, etc., One of my emails to you had a family connection of sorts to you and you said you'd look it up. Holidays are no excuse to this prairie chick.:) Marge:)
On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very close?
Just kidding.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
--- Margarita Vallazzawrote:
> Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma.
> Eleuteria Tov/bar
> from Jerez. Her brothers and sisters were born in
> both Tepetongo and
> Tla--don't remember how to spell this town. Her
> parents were Mauricio
> Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo. My great-grandfather
> had about 4 kids
> with her before she died and he married my
> great-grandmother, who was
> the
Joseph, that's why we are genealogists. We want to know. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Joseph Puenteswrote: > > yeah I know, but still the diiiiistant possibility > exists. small as it > maybe. And do I really believe that I'm a Levite, > pues no, what do you > think I'm a tarugo? but still the tarugo in me > wonders about stuff like > this and I just know that there are a lot of various > ethnic groups from > a lot of different countries that all worked > together to make "me." And > though I "might" not be a Levite "I am this or that > or the other". . > .and all of them in their time very very very > interesting and I'm sure a > suffering people if our understanding is correct of > what times past were > like. > > so let me just keep on wondering, sometimes I like > to let my Tarugo get > the best of me. . . > > joseph > > ps: hey sometimes you got to toss out a pendejada. > > pps: Victor when are you coming to NC? let me know > and
Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very close? Just kidding. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Margarita Vallazzawrote: > Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma. > Eleuteria Tov/bar > from Jerez. Her brothers and sisters were born in > both Tepetongo and > Tla--don't remember how to spell this town. Her > parents were Mauricio > Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo. My great-grandfather > had about 4 kids > with her before she died and he married my > great-grandmother, who was > the age of his eldest daughter or a little older. > > And yes, Davila is the same as de Avila. I read > something about it > this past week but don't ask me where, 'cos I dunno. > The surname > Correa is Portuguese, I believe. Marge:) > On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long > wrote: > > > I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco back > in the late 1600's > > the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many records.. > that's a Portuguese >
Well, those Olagues are sure to be related to us! Cool! Merry Christmas. Marge:)
On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
Hi, Marge,
No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez. My nephew is a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
Glo,
Did your Sandovals come from Zacatecas? My great-grandfather's first wife's maternal grandfather was a Sandoval from either Jerez, Tepetongo, or Tlaltenongo (sp?). Just wondering. Marge:)
On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:04 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:
Peggy,
I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is Tiffany
Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and my
Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!
Then my sons are Daniel Sam and Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one care
about their names! smile
~~glo~~
From: "Peggy Delgado"
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0800
Here is a list of names in MY family tree:
Narciso
Zerefina (or Zeferina)
Leonisio
Tranquilino
Plutarco
Abundio
Blas
Deciderio
Germana
Romualda
Abato
Tirso
Dionicio
Cas
There seems to be a lot Jerezanos in Las Vegas. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Emilie Garciawrote: > Hi, Marge, > > No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the > jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez. My nephew is > a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio > Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there > also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues > and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby. > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA --- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margarita > Vallazzamailto:TeaCozyGran@...> > To: > ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:26 AM > Subject: [ranchos] Saltrillo > > > > Dear Emilie, > Maybe this question was already answered but I was > looking at a map in > some book and found that there's a Saltrillo > Jalisco just barely south > of the State of Zacatecas. Could your ancestor > have been from
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"wrote: > > > Joseph, > > Given the multi-cultural basis (Spanish, African, and Native-American Indian) of the > Mexican people and the super multi-cultural basis (Cro-Magnon, Phoenician, Greek, > Celtic, Basque, Roman, Visigoth, Jewish, North African Berber, Arab, etc.) of the Iberian > peninsula people, you can probably call yourself anything you wish and probably be > correct. > > Furthermore, you can see that the "sangre limpia" of the "Spaniards" was cr-p. > > Scientifically and with respect to your Y-DNA, however, I agree with Victor. Your Y-DNA is > Celtic, for lack of a better definition. Stay tuned. The Y-DNA definitions and associations > will undoubtedly change, just like the borders of every country that has ever existed. > > Shalom (aka, "peace", goodbye), > > > Ed > A very insightful observation, Ed. Season's Greetings! Victor
Peggy,
I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is Tiffany
Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and my
Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!
Then my sons are Daniel Sam and Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one care
about their names! smile
~~glo~~
From: "Peggy Delgado"
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0800
Here is a list of names in MY family tree:
Narciso
Zerefina (or Zeferina)
Leonisio
Tranquilino
Plutarco
Abundio
Blas
Deciderio
Germana
Romualda
Abato
Tirso
Dionicio
Casimiro
Sabina
Sinecio
I think they're all awesome, strong names, although I don't understand some
of them. To me, they're all unique and very very cool. I wish my mom had
named me a typical Mexican name.....I've never liked my name and got teased
a lot. Peggy, my name, sounds