Maternal Lineage in Tepetongo/Huejucar-Re: [ranchos]
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Victor is in Mexico as much as Jose Roman. Donde vives Victor? |
Emily, I think they call it "Mexican"; I am joking and not joking. Seriously, there are no pure Spaniards down there anymore unless they emigrated in the last generation. I am told that there are some pure Native American Indians though. Ed --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Victor, > > I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"? However, that word is not in my Spanish dictionary. I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza". What say you, Jose Roman? What do they call it in Mexico? > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA --- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: v.h.villarrealmailto:raices_regias@y...> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:00 AM > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trevino match, DNA and the Today show > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>, "Edward Serros" mailto:ed@s>...> wrote: > > > > For starters I have 4
Linda, What mtDNA haplogroup did they assign you? Who provided the specimen? Your brother has your father's Y-DNA and he has your mtDNA and your mother's mtDNA, assuming you have the same parents. The latter assumption sometimes is a huge assumption and leads to very interesting discussions. Ed --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Linda R Romerowrote: > > First I'd like to thank everyone who has sent me information and > suggestions for my research into my Romero/de la Torre surname. > Though I've been to SLC several times, research is slow. I am late > in answering you because of our preparations for our winter trip to > Arizona. All the last minute obligations, home repairs, and doctor > visits are taking longer than anticipated. However, the latest DNA > postings have stopped me in my tracks. > > My mother is English/German/Scottish/Irish/etc. but my mtDNA seems to > track pretty close with my Dad, who was born in Jalisco. > > 16428[A] > 16256[T
Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages. The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is gathering. We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Arturo, > > I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group. > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA --- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arturo Ramosmailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.comma
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Victor,
I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"? However, that word is not
in my Spanish dictionary. I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza". What say you, Jose Roman? What do they call it in Mexico? Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Arturo,
I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Hello, Elvira?
(I can't tell who is writing what in the messages below). However,
one comment peaked my interest: "maternal lines in (or back to) Zacatecas, especially Tepetongo to test for mtDNA. I don't think anyone has started a Zacatecas mtDNA project yet...::Grin::" I must confess that all this talk about DNA and Haplogroups and "numbers" is way over my head. However, I am very interested in your particular results, since you state that you are looking for more people with maternal lineage in the area of Tepetongo, Zacatecas. My mother was from the Juarez-New Mexico area, descended from settlers who had been there since the 1500's, so I guess my DNA would only follow her maternal lines. However, my father's people for two hundred years that I have studied so far (back to the early 1700s) in the Tepetongo area (Salitrillo, to be exact) never lived anywhere else until my father and his father immigrated to the States in 1916. Unfortunately, my father
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First I'd like to thank everyone who has sent me information and
suggestions for my research into my Romero/de la Torre surname.
Though I've been to SLC several times, research is slow. I am late
in answering you because of our preparations for our winter trip to
Arizona. All the last minute obligations, home repairs, and doctor
visits are taking longer than anticipated. However, the latest DNA
postings have stopped me in my tracks.
My mother is English/German/Scottish/Irish/etc. but my mtDNA seems to
track pretty close with my Dad, who was born in Jalisco.
16428[A] 16256[T] 16270[T] 16399[G] 249[G] 263[G] 73[G] 16362[C]
My brother has agreed to have his DNA tested for my research. I have
made neither heads nor tails of my mtDNA information before now. I
guess I will need a class to learn more.
Your kindness in answering my questions and our similar mtDNA results
have made me feel like a real member of this group. I plan on more
active participation
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"wrote: > > For starters I have 4 grandparents (Serros, Felguerez, Salas, Suarez) and the following is > the DNA data that I have gathered. They all have a "story", which in some cases made me > check a great grandparent line. The results sometimes help when we get to the genealogy > road blocks that we all arrive at. > > Felguerez great grandfather (Y-DNA haplogroup K), Pinedo (mtDNA haplogroup A), Cerros > (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1c*) Salas (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b), Suarez (Y-DNA haplogroup > Q), Sosa (mtDNA haplogroup C). > > Ed > Ed, The Americans talk about the "melting pot"; the Canadians speak about a "mosaic". The Italians tutti frutti. What could we call the Mexican mix? Capirotada? Sopa de Letras? Victor
Josie, I would be happy to share with you my DNA and discuss your results, here or by private email. We have a small Hispanic discussion group that deals with DNA results, as well as history. If I can not figure out something, they probably can or at least they can say what is known. Gary Felix, Mexico DNA project, is the moderator of this informal group. We all have varied DNA backgrounds but our families were all from Mexico. For starters you should review the information Gary has on his home page, showing results of the Mexicans/Mexican-Americans who have submitted DNA samples, http:// members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm. BTW, Spencer Wells was on the Today show this am and did a great job describing the story that was told by the mtDNA of the news people Katie, Matt, and Al. Spencer Wells is in charge of the largest DNA project ever attempted. He has written a number of important books on DNA, making it simpler to understand our complex relationships. For
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Hello everyone in our group,
I am always so very interested in everything
I read from our group. I am new at this whole thing but am s l o w
l y learning. Much thanks to Joseph,Arturo and Deena for all your intro help. My DNA results( via National Geographic special/family tree) on the maternal side are; HER Haplography BE
HER differences from CRS
16172C
16183C
16189C
16217C
16391A
16519C
I have not as of yet been contacted from
anyone with a similar match, but I am hopeful there is someone out there. Also if ANYONE can help me make heads or tails of what of these numbers mean, I sure would like your help.I know my ancestors were from Zacatecas, Mexico. When I first started with Rancho's, I had the name of my ggg grandmother Ancelma Rodriguez (dop 1860?) but have since (thank you Deena) found the names only of a couple more generations.They are,Agustina Ramirez and her mother Maria de Jesus Hernandez. Thank you all for your input!
Hope
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Hello, Everyone,
After much searching totry to make some sense out
of my mtDNA reslutts (after not finding much) I finally decided to put it on the DNA list up for comments. The comments verify what I had suspected: there are not many of us out there. This is consistent with my family's history. I have added some comments to the responses. Some relevant comments I have received with some references that might be of interest. I hope the links are useful. Elvira
these are my numbers for my mtDNA, with differences from CRS at 16111T
16223T 16290T 16319A 16335G 16526A HVR2 differences from CRS
at 64T
73G 146C 153G 235G 263G 309.1C 315.1C Looking in the mtDNA concordance
I find no HVR1 sequences just like
yours, although there are many close in the Native American peoples of both North and South America. There occurrences of any mutations on 16526 of |
Josie,
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us
are related since we are studying our
ancestors that came from the same
area. Today I checked my mtDNA results
My father and ALL his brothers are dead. My dad's sisters are all alive. Marge:)
On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
Margarita:
Is your father still living? If he did the test, you would be able
to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages. If
your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but
would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would
have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA. However, his
father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your
father. I guess you could have to have both of them do the test...
Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129. You get a discount on the yDNA
through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-
based project only)...
Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
--- In ranchos
Hi Ranchos members,
all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting
the following offer from Sorensen:
Dear Friend of the Foundation:
The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along
with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer.
Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to
project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative
Genetics.
Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either:
- A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95
USD OR
- A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD
New
Hi Ranchos members, all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting the following offer from Sorensen: Dear Friend of the Foundation: The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer. Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative Genetics. Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either: - A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95 USD OR - A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD New participants may take advantage of this offer by requesting a kit from http://smgf.org/request_a_free_kit.html. New participants must submit a four-generation pedigree chart along with a mouthwash sample to qualify for the coupon. Past participants may take advantage of this offer by filling out and submitting the online form found at http://www
Ed: Have you seen the census transcription we have done for Mezquitic? There are lots of "Yndio" Pinedos in Mezquitic and nearby Nostic in that census. You can access the file in the Ranchos2 files section in a folder called ZZ_Colotlan Census project. Mezquitic is in the pp. 115-124 file. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"wrote: > > Arturo, > > Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in reference to your mtDNA and > our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater Bolaños mining area also. My > grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate child of a hacendado > (Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were originally in Mesquitic, > Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far away; it was there in > Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money after coming from > Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found
Margarita: Is your father still living? If he did the test, you would be able to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages. If your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA. However, his father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your father. I guess you could have to have both of them do the test... Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA. If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99 and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129. You get a discount on the yDNA through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA- based project only)... Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project! --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazzawrote: > > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me mum > wasn't
Arturo, Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in reference to your mtDNA and our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater Bolaños mining area also. My grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate child of a hacendado (Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were originally in Mesquitic, Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far away; it was there in Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money after coming from Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found Pinedos in all these mining towns. Lots of Villarreals also. You are correct, however, that there was much importing of labor from different areas to work the mines. Ed --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"> > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al. > > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations: > > 16111T > 16223T > 16290T > 16319A > 16362C > 16390A > >
Margarita, See http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html#mtDNA for details on prices. You used to get it cheaper if you joined Gary Felix's Mexico DNA project, http:// members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm, but I think they are about the same now. ~ $129 for low resolution mtDNA, $189 for high resolution. Ed --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazzawrote: > > BTW, how much does this cost? I'll pay for my primo, whichever one > decides to do it. Marge V.:) > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote: > > > Josie, > > > > I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since > > we are studying our > > ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA > > results which I > > haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low > > resolution level to my > > paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia). I did > > not realize who you > > were. > > > > Did you do the
According to a series on the Discovery Channel on early man that I saw a couple of months ago, we all came from the same grandparents over 200,000 generations ago. But seriously, I believe many of us are related since most of us came from a mixture of common ancestors that settled in the central plains of Mexico. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Margarita Vallazzawrote: > BTW, how much does this cost? I'll pay for my > primo, whichever one > decides to do it. Marge V.:) > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote: > > > Josie, > > > > I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us > are related since > > we are studying our > > ancestors that came from the same area. Today I > checked my mtDNA > > results which I > > haven't done for awhile and you are an exact > match at a low > > resolution level to my > > paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via > Cecilia Isordia). I did > > not realize who you > > were. >
BTW, how much does this cost? I'll pay for my primo, whichever one decides to do it. Marge V.:)
On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
Josie,
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our
ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I
haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my
paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia). I did not realize who you
were.
Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have
extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer
(high resolution) level.
Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you have in the Ranchos
database. My grandmother's data is below.
Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.
Abrazos,
Ed
HVR1 Haplogroup A
HVR1 differences
from CRS
16223T
Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me mum wasn't Hispanic. If I have one of my male cousins do this, would I get some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my uncle? In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my father's sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's brother, which would be the better candidate? Marge V:)
On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
Josie,
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our
ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I
haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my
paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia). I did not realize who you
were.
Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have
extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer
(high