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An excerpt from the Whitewashed Adobe book in the general tone of 
what I think you are referencing:

The Mexican race now see, in the fate of the aborigines of the north, 
their own inevitable destiny.  They must amalgamante and be lost, in 
the superior vigor of the Anglo-Saxon race, or they must utterly 
perish.  They may postpone the hour for a time, but it will come, 
when their nationallity shall cease.

-- Democratic Review, February 1847


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  
wrote:
>
> When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
> number of old news articles that were written by a
> California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
> they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
> hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
> the military take over by the Americans of California,
> life must have been very hard for our people.  
> 
> Freedom does have a price. 
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> -

Angie,

Thank you, I didnt not know this.



              ~~glo~~







From: "aajay1073" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Mexican Border
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:36:00 -0000

Glo,

Here is some information:

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hildalgo

Maps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National-atlas-territorial-
acquisitions.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Territorial-acquisition-uscensus-
bureau.jpg

If the links wrap be sure to recreate in address bar.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "glo Sandoval-Fuentes"
 wrote:
>
> I would like to hear further on this because I always thought that
Mexico
> did own California too, like till the beginning of the 1900's?
>
>
>
>                ~~glo~~
>








Yahoo! Groups Links

When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
number of old news articles that were written by a
California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
the military take over by the Americans of California,
life must have been very hard for our people.  

Freedom does have a price. 

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Ed/Angie:
> 
> Whatever the political status of the American
> Southwest was 
> throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not
> indigenous in 
> identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers
> in the area were 
> not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist
> historians like to 
> purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but
> Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
> colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora,
> Chihuahua, 
> Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding
> families of Culver City, 
>

Arturo,

I uploaded a part of my assignment.  This is not revised yet.
As you will see the Number column is blank. What sequence are you
following?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Victor:
> 
> That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
> them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
> collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.
> 
> I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
> the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
> handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
> some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
> make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
> in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
> and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
> saw it next to women's names further down, I realized

I have noticed children taking on maternal names when land titles 
were associated with the maternal line... i.e. the child's maternal 
grandfather was a big landowner and so the child took on the name 
that went with the land (and prestige presumably).

Emilie, Tlaltenango is the main city in the valley that constitutes 
the "southern arm" of Zacatecas that is trapped between 
Aguascalientes and Jalisco.  It was the alcaldia for what is now 
Totatiche, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Mezquital del Oro, etc.

I have both Talamantes and Avilas interspersed in my genealogy, also 
from Tlaltenango.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> 
>     "The original founding families of Culver City, 
>     California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
>     Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group".
> 
> Yes Arturo,
> 
> There is a Talamantes from Taltenango (where is that? I can't find 
it in a map) in my husband's lines in

Victor:

That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.

I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
saw it next to women's names further down, I realized it was a 
surname and went back and changed them.

Can you upload what you have done as you finish chunks.  That way we 
can keep track of where people are and help in the decoding.  When 
you have another newer version, simply delete the existing one and

There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words that
I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.

Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
> see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
> the files section of this site.
> 
> Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> ahead and do so and just let us know.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> > 
> > I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> > instructions on how to do the transcription

I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
the files section of this site.

Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
ahead and do so and just let us know.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> 
> I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
Census.  
> It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> 
> Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are 
all 
> names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 
130, 
> so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can 
take 
> pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.
> 
> If there are others interested in doing transcription, the 
remainder 
> of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I 
will 
>

Ed/Angie:

Whatever the political status of the American Southwest was 
throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not indigenous in 
identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers in the area were 
not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist historians like to 
purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora, Chihuahua, 
Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding families of Culver City, 
California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group.

The following book is very well researched and provides a whole new 
insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of Los Angeles.  A 
very good read.

Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the Remaking of Its 
Mexican Past
by William Deverell

Review:

Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting ideas of race 
and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique perspective on

It still is.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, Californai

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think
> the reason why the 
> U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part
> they did not 
> acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In
> other words, the 
> xenophobia was greater than the greed.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
>  
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, Angie,
> > 
> > You are a great researcher.  I have never seen
> those maps before.  
> Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really
> helps me to 
> understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US
> Government.  I'm 
> surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA ---
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Good links.  

Here's a morphing map from pbs.
http://www.pbs.org/kpbs/theborder/history/morphingmap.html

Are we done?  ;-)


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before. 
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think the reason why the 
U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part they did not 
acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In other words, the 
xenophobia was greater than the greed.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before.  
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to 
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm 
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

here are a couple more pages. of the 1785 Census. joseph ps: Arturo if the format is not correct let me know ASAP

Attachment:
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  "contrasena" make sure that your username/usuario is no longer than 10
  characters... one of the many arbitrary restrictions of the site.

[[[[[[[[[[[[Arturo its been a long time and from what I remember it was
more challenging that this to get started.

Here is the url that give more details on the Subscribing process:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Archivos%20Espanoles%20en%20Red/
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Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.

I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan Census.  
It is at the end of member genealogy folders.

Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are all 
names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 130, 
so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can take 
pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.

If there are others interested in doing transcription, the remainder 
of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I will 
assign a piece to you.






--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I 
think 
> it would

Arturo,

Not sure if I can meet your standards but I can give it a try.  Give
me a few pages that nobody is currently working on and what are the
team guidelines we have to follow.  

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I think 
> it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far as I 
> know, it has not previously been published.
> 
> The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:
> 
> ES.47161.AGS/19.8//SGU,7015,2
> 
> Let me know if you are interested in helping out on this project.
>

Wow Elvira, you are just a wealth of information.  It's no wonder, 
though, it sounds like you've been researching for over 25 years.  
Too bad you don't live in the Sacramento, CA area so that you could 
meet with the group of us Rancho members who are getting together 
next month.  We have some really talented and experienced researchers 
attending this first meeting, but you (and several others) would be 
such a great addition. 

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz"  wrote:
>
> Jose Roman:
> 
> 
> What you are suggesting is exactly what I did for the town of San 
Juan de Guadalupe, Durango.  I had been trying to get info from there 
for about  25 years and the priests would not relent.  The registro 
civil was okay but that was it. I found out that the LDS church would 
pay for the microfilming and I started campaigning.  I was fortunate 
to meet the president of the Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico 
(Benicio Sanchez). I told  him my situation and

Wow Arturo that 1785 Census is so cool! What a discovery. I'm ready to start my part of the transcription. but I can see we need a plan. I'm not going to be able to do but sporatic amounts of work, but what appears to be 300+ pages of which I'm guessing like you said about 150+ pages of the actual Padron Okay I've talked to Arturo and I'm starting at page 89 at the bottom and working toward page 100, but would like to see if I can get to page 110 or 120 by the end of Nov or mid Dec he is what I have so far (p89-90verso/recto) joseph. src="jpgicPWaROIwZ.jpg" border="0">

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