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and Zacatecas)

Helping my doughter find her grandfather Tiburcio Luna born August 11,
1885 in Valpariso, Zacatecas, Mexico.  His parents are... Salome Luna
and Monica Fernandez/s.  He married Vicenta Robles, Febuaray 15, 1918 ..
place unknown.  This is all the information that my doughter got from
the Imigration deptment.

I have tried looking in the LDS to no avail.  I haven't seen Valpariso,
Zacatecas at all.  Could Valpariso be in a jurisdiction that I don't
know about?  I need your help.  Please respond to
mgervassi@...

Thank you,
Mary

This message is in regard to Irma Gómez's line of descent.  Very, 
very interesting.  Finally I see some Los Altos genealogy.

It seems that you and I, Irma, are both cousins, or should I say, 
primos.  My name is Steven F. Hernández, and my ancestry is also from 
the region of Jalisco known as "Los Altos."  Los Altos has 
historically been an isolated region, closed off from the rest of 
Mexico.  The area was populated by early Spanish and Basque pioneers, 
pobladores, and descendants of the conquistadors.  As a result of 
this high concentration of Spanish blood, alteños are light skinned 
and fairer than other Mexicans.  Alteños live a culture, speak a 
language, and practice a religion that is strongly Spanish/Hispanic.  
But all this is historically well known and documented.

Irma, I have 90% of the surnames in you line.  I have Gómez (which 
used to known as Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza), Arias Maldonado, Macías 
Valadéz, Muñoz (de Hermosillo), Hermosillo, Gutiérrez (de 
Hermosillo)

I count 10 folks in the "files" section that have sent in their genealogies.
Also Deena Ortiz has hers listed in the Links section of the site. A few
in the early days of the group send in some of their work in emails and those
people need to resend it to me directly so I can put it in the files section.
After all that that leaves a big pile of  you that haven't sent in your work.




I am no longer subscribing people without them committing in writing that
they are doing their own research and that they are willing to send in their
work. Some that have agreed to this recently have sent me nothing.



I realize that some of you have soooo much work done that you probably don't
know what to send in. Here's my suggestion to get you started:



Just send me in your Straight Line Direct Line genealogy as far back as you
go. Just give me all the Great Grandparents names and their particular information.
. .remember "Location is Everything."  Later when you have time you can add
the very

does anyone recognize this couple or at least the Sandoval in this
couple as being from Huejucar?

Genaro Salazar y Pascuala Sandoval.

they were the parents of Gertrudis Salazar who married Martin Puente son
of Aniceto Puente brother to Julio Puente my G-GF

joseph

This is a great reference book with probably the best Bibliography of
Genealogical books on specific surnames available in the world (just my
guess). The bibliography alone is 112 pages long.

the name of the book is:

"Hispanic Surnames and Family History"
by Lyman D. Platt, Ph.D.
1996 Genealogical Publishing Co., INC;
ISBN: 0-8063-1480-X

try doing an interlibrary loan on it. Or if you need I can do a specific
surname

look up in it and see if a book has been written about it.

Joseph

I am not sure if it is the same family, but I have this information:

FRANCISCO XAVIER MARQUES DE LOS OLIVOS
Male
Parents:
  Father:  PHELIPE MARQUES DE LOS OLIVOS
  Mother:  FRANCISCA XAVIERA SANCHES
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA NARCISA SANCHES
  Marriage:  22 FEB 1751   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M607139  1704 - 1754  0443968

In the christening of her children Maria Narcisa Sanches is refered 
to as Maria Narcisa Sanches Castellanos and Maria Sanches 
Castellanos.  Also I have seen Maria Castellanos, and I assumed that 
it was perhaps the same person??? The couple did have a daughter 
named Maria Francisca, but I have her married to a Jesus Robles, I 
have to check my notes and see where I got that information.

Do you know if your Maria Francisca married

Angie, I know I'm late in getting back to you but I do have this marriage
record and Maria Francisca's parents were Francisco Xavier Marques married
to Ma. Castanes.

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Hey Carol,

Let me know if you find out who the parents are for Maria Francisca

Marquez. It is probably listed on her marriage to Juan Antonio
De

Casas.  I am interested in knowing if she is part of the Marquez

family that I am researching.

Thanks,

Angie

 

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Hello Everyone,

when it comes to computers I am very illiterate..so I am not sure if I am in this group or not!!!

My name is Stella and I am so happy to be here.....I am interested in the ranchos of Totatiche, Jalisco Mexico.......with regards to the URENA family.........Already I have learned to much using the LDS on line from Rosalinda.......I Have been doing research on my family for about 5 years......Leaving this Hispanic side....alone never thinking I would find Information.........The way my Mom talks......I figured there would be no records!! and already I have found a cousin!!

Stella

This too shall pass.............

Hello Everyone,

I re-did all my family files in the files section.  I found a 
new "report" in my family program.  I like it a lot better than the 
report I was using before.  It shows families from the bottom-up 
instead of the top-down.

Take a look at the files when you get a chance.  Here is the short 
description of the files.  (I didn't click the notify group of new 
file option.)

1) Includes last names of Gaeta and Raigosa, plus Ayon, Campos, 
Marques, Miramontes, Robles, Rodarte, and Romero.

2) Includes last names of Godina and Huizar, plus Avila and 
Miramontes.

3) Includes last names of Huerta and Huizar, plus Ayon, Cardenas, 
Castaneda, Correas, Gaeta, Miramontes, Robles, Rodriguez, Sandoval, 
Serrano, and Perez.

4) Includes last names of Huizar and Cardenas, plus Avila, Campos, 
Gaeta, Huerta, Miramontes, and Valdez.

5) Includes last names of Luna and Huizar, plus Campos, Faxias, 
Huerta, Miramontes, Robles, and Segueda.

6) Includes last names of Miramontes and Gaeta

rosa9972 wrote:

Hello all!

I want to introduce myself to your group. My name is Rosalinda Ruiz,
and I've been working on my family tree for some

Prima Rosalinda. . .you are a wonderful addition to the group. . .and
pardon if I use you to shame some of those that haven't sent in their
intros or genealogies.

Welcome and I'm proud to find someone that shares the same sense of
great value at finding our "familia." Estamos hallando nuesta sangre.

joseph
===================

Just a quick word about the digest version of the group. If anyone
starts to get an overflowing inbox because of the increased activity of
this group just change your subscription from "individual emails" to
"digest." If you have trouble with this just send me an email and I'll
do it for you.

We've had several new members join the group and I thought this message
should be reposted.

Welcome to the group all you new people. . .you know who you are. Please
do take some time to send us an introduction. Also a few words on the
surnames and geographical areas you're researching would be great. When
you are ready send me your Genealogy so I can post it to the
"non-public" Files section of the group.

Joseph Puentes
                        de Diaz, Aguallo, Ledesma, Casas, Alvarez,
Varela, Gonsalez, Sanchez, Leaños, Marquez, Torres, Santa Maria, Lugo,
Espinosa, Romero, Bañuelos, Miranda, Muro, Nava, Castañeda y Rivas.

PS: Congratulations to Rosalinda Ruiz for finding two new cousins in the
group since joining just a few days ago. She and I are kind of cousins
also since I'm a cousin to Angie Godina and she's a cousin to Angie
Godina. . .thus that's why I said "kind of."

==========================

go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/

up in the top right click on

Hello all!
 
I want to introduce myself to your group.  My name is Rosalinda Ruiz, 
and I've been working on my family tree for some time.  After 
interviewing my grandparents about their ancestors, I never really 
believed I would make any connections to more distant ancestors.  
Then I discovered three things in the period of six months last year 
(and this is truly inspirational for those who think discovering 
their family genealogy may never happen).  First, last April,  I 
visited www.rootsweb.com and typed in some family names.  I had done 
this periodically in the past, with no success.  However, I decided 
to try again, and I found a message that matched my BANUELOS family 
information!  The ancestor names and locations matched perfectly, so 
I emailed the person mentioned.  I found my second cousin once 
removed!  We shared information, and were finally able to meet last 
summer.  We also determined that we had met previously, in March of 
last year, when I took a group of

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Prima,
> 
> where are all these new relatives from?

++ Ah... good question....I regenerated the reports and replaced the 
old files with new files, please look at them again.

> 
> please do tell if you know who the parents are of the following:
> 
> Maria Antonia Urena
> 

++ Maria Antonia Urena married Joseph Simon Emigdio Jara Godina on 19 
FEB 1800 in Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.  Her parents are Antonio 
Urena and Juana Blasa Castellanos.

I also hava a Maria Antonia Urena married to Antonio Gregorio Concha 
Covarrubias on 18 MAY 1795, Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.  She was 
previously married but I don't know the name of her other husband.  I 
don't know the names of her parents.

> also what was the name of the Castaneda mom of  Jose Antonio 
Quirino 
> Valdes Castaneda?
> 

++ The parents of Jose Antonio Quirino Valdez Castaneda are Miguel de 
Santiago Valdez Grano and Maria Eulogia Castaneda Castaneda.  The

Prima,

where are all these new relatives from?

please do tell if you know who the parents are of the following:

Maria Antonia Urena

also what was the name of the Castaneda mom of Jose Antonio Quirino
Valdes Castaneda?

Also all those Bedoy's. . .have you ever seen Bedoy as an alternate
spelling for Godoy? Or am I confusing it with something else?

Are any of them from Colotlan or Santa Maria de Los Angeles?

Joseph

Hello Group!

I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Janet Valeria Iglesias 
and I live in Southern California. I have been tracing my Iglesias 
roots from Guachinango, Jalisco, Mexico.

Surnames in my search are: Iglesias, Robles, Rodriguez, Curiel, 
Dueñas, Lopez, Arechiga, Ramirez.

Ranchos in my search: Rancho Colorado, Tablillo, Ameca, . . .

Here goes a little synopsis of my family tree:

1. Juan Bautista Iglesias (abt. 1810) Married to Maria Antonia Lopez.
2. Francisco Iglesias (1840) married to Francisca Ramirez Arechiga
3. Francisco Iglesias (1869) married to Victoriana Robles (daughter 
of Cosme de Robles)
4. Juan Iglesias (1901) married to Francisca Rodriguez
5. Narciso Iglesias (1925) married to Irene Zambada
6. Victor Iglesias (1950) married to Rosa Fuentes
7. Me!!  (1980)

Please contact me if there are any matches.

Thank You!

Janet

Rosalinda,

I saw your Antonio Ponce descendants file.  I too am searching a 
family you had listed.  Jose Cayetano Grano and Efigenia de la Rosa 
De La Covarrubias are my Great(x6)-Grandparents!  I will include a 
file of the information that I have on that couple soon, so we can 
compare.  I also have information on Maria Ynes Godina and Jose 
Antonio Jara.  I am distintantly related to Maria Ynes Godina and 
that is why I have information on that family.  I guess I know find 
out that I am also related to Jose Antonio Jara.  I also have 
information on Maira Sixta Sanchez and Jose Rafael Jara.  I am 
distintantly related to Maria Sixta Sanchez, on my Sanchez Side.  
Didn't relize that I was also connected on the Jara side.

It would be great if we could share information.  Would it be 
possible for me to get information on your sources for the ancestors 
of Jose Cayetano Grano and Efigenia de la Rosa De La Covarrubias.  I 
think I am set on their descendants, but have no information

What Diocese is Nochistlan in? Is Guadalajara the correct Diocese or ?

thanks,

joseph

I was looking up to see what films were available for Nochistlan, Zacatecas
and came across the following:



Procesos matrimoniales 1676-1762 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 226933 ]

Procesos matrimoniales 1763-1804 -  VAULT INTL Film [ 226934 ]



Now Matrimonios I know and Informacion Matrimonial I know, but Procesos Matrimoniales
I don't know.



So can someone in the know let me know what kind of info is found in these
records and how its different from the other two?



thanks,



joseph

Does anyone have this film? I'm going to eventually order it but thought
someone might have it now:

MARIA ANIZETA PUENTE RAMIRES

Female
Event(s):

Birth:
Christening:
20 APR 1829   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
 Father:  MARIANO PUENTE Family

Mother: GUADALUPE RAMIRES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the
birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:
C607127  1828 - 1833  0443814   Film  NONE

---------------

if you do I'm wanting to know if this is my Mariano Puente son of Justo
Puente.

thanks,

Joseph

Is there anyone in the group that can't find their area in one of the
maps or map links given in the "files" or "links" section of the group?

If you can't find it let me know the name of the city and its
approximate location and I'll look for it at Duke.

joseph

I just uploaded Arturo Romero's 12 Ancestoral files to the "files" section.

This is great Arturo. I haven't had a chance to thoroughly look through
them but hope to get to them soon...thanks!

Now this should be a great example to everyone. . .common everyone send
in your files and we'll really be able to see if our Genealogies cross
somewhere in Jalisco or Zacatecas.

Last time I counted there were 29 members of the group and these are the
folks that have sent in their genealogies:

Angie Godina
Arturo Romero
Evie Villegas
Joseph Puentes
Maria Cortez
Rich&Kitty Cortez

Now I know that a couple of you sent in your work via email (PLEASE
resend me your genealogy directly to: makas@...) so I can then
take the information and put it into the "Files" section. Also in the
future I'd like to keep the genealogies strictly in the "Files" section
so if you must put them in an email send them directly to me and I'll
upload them to that area. Don't forget the "message" archives

Yes the Informacion Matrimonial films can be wonderful sources of info.
Yes sometimes disappointing but more times wonderful. 3-5 pages of info
about the couple then the groom then the bride then usually three
Testigos, testaments from people who knew the couple saying they weren't
related. I saw a record from Huejucar that Kitty Cortez sent me that had
4 generations of genealogy inserted. Yes there might be some wonderful
surprises awaiting you in these records.

joseph


A G wrote:

Thanks for the info.

I will have to look into ordering the film,
'Información matrimonial'.  I already have the page
extract from 'Matrimonios'.

Thanks again.
Angie

Thanks for the info.

I will have to look into ordering the film,
'Información matrimonial'.  I already have the page
extract from 'Matrimonios'.

Thanks again.
Angie


--- Carol Turner  wrote:
> Hi Angie:
> 
> In my experience viewing matrimonios versus
> Informacion matrimonials,
> Informacion matrimonials are more detailed   They
> can sometimes be two
> to three pages and they are usually testimonies of
> how the bride and
> groom know each other, testimonies from other family
> members of how they
> know the bride/groom etc.  Usually these records are
> found a few months
> prior to the marriage possibly a month or two before
> the actual wedding
> takes place.  One time I actually lucked out on
> viewing this type of
> information in Michoacan records and they listed my
> maternal
> great-grandmother's genealogy family tree three
> generations going back
> which was wonderful.  On the matrimonios records I
> usually just find a
> few paragraphs giving basic information

Hi Angie:

In my experience viewing matrimonios versus Informacion matrimonials,
Informacion matrimonials are more detailed   They can sometimes
be two to three pages and they are usually testimonies of how the bride
and groom know each other, testimonies from other family members of how
they know the bride/groom etc.  Usually these records are found a
few months prior to the marriage possibly a month or two before the actual
wedding takes place.  One time I actually lucked out on viewing this
type of information in Michoacan records and they listed my maternal great-grandmother's
genealogy family tree three generations going back which was wonderful. 
On the matrimonios records I usually just find a few paragraphs giving
basic information on the marriage, date, padrinos etc., parents and sometimes
grandparents are listed if they are still living.

Hope this helps out!

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Does anyone know.....

When I look up information for Mexico, Jalisco, Colotlan - Church

rec