TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

No.



go to:  http://www.familysearch.org



spend some time looking around the site clicking all the links and see whats
available. . .its all free unless you order something. And if you do order
something like the Mexican Vital Records its soooo cheap for what you get.



Anyway after looking around click on the Search tab.



then on the left side click on the IGI link



and then just start using the free search.



let me know if I can help you in a specific search, we can go over it together
if you have any trouble. I truly believe after you or anyone else has done
two or so searches they will be fairly confident in their ability to navigate
the basic search part of the site.



joseph



ps:



one possible discouraging note on trying to find people that are less than
110 years old. Privacy is a concern of the LDS church and you will rarely
find info on current generations. but once you get past that 110 year area
you should start seeing more info.



this is not to say that the information isn't

http://www.behindthename.com/

cool site for those that haven't seen it before.

joseph

ps: Kitty this was send in response to your message about names. I'm
personally not to up on the different nicknames and used for the various
names but think this subject is extremely important as i have a whole
list of people that I think are the same person but in one record they
might be referred to as "Juan Jose" and in the next as "Tito" and then
"Sixto"

Has anyone ever seen "Tadeo" and "Pero" used interchangeably? How about
what is "Pio" the nickname for. . .could it be for "Esiquio?"

snail mail or finding someone else with a scanner will have to do. . .but
I work for the Postal Service and sending it that way would help keep me
employed and help this list continue. . .8^)



joseph



Mary Gervassi wrote:

The problem is, I don't have a sccaner.  Sorry,  I wish I did. Many people are asking me to
send them in a sccaner.
Thanks any way

Mary






AGACorpus@... wrote:

  

Mary,
I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan
one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.

Mira


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Hi all,

I just got back from a very successful 4 day visit to CA. It was soooo
packed with activity most of it genealogy related. . .I visited with
family. I must have spend 100-150 bucks at kinko's using their 99cent
photo printer. And like puzzlework I was getting my money worth getting
up to 9 pictures on each 8.5 x 11 pages.

===================

Just wanted to share my concern that everyone on the list be very aware
that when you reply to a message that comes to you from the list (hint:
it has this in the subject: [ranchos]). Well if you reply to a message
with this in the subject it will go to everyone in the list. So if you
want to send a private email to someone that might have replied to your
message you have to cut and paste their email into the [To:] window.

thats what the group is all about to send out messages to the whole group.

so unless you really intend for the whole group to have things like your
personal information never send it out to emails with

-----Original Message-----
From: AGarza0972@...
[mailto:AGarza0972@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:36
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] One
Technique: Parent Search

Joseph,
do I need to be a member to get into the IGI search at Family Search?  I
am looking for the birth of my Dad, or the marriage of my grandparents. 
But I am only able to get into the

Hello Rancho group.
As I starded to read or trying to read my copies that I brought from Las
Cruces University, I ran into a "Limpa de Sangre" from Hidalgo del
Parral.  It cought my attention becouse it mentions  the surnames of
Garcia and de Olguin, both are in my line but at this moment I'm not
sure that it is my family but went ahead and search it any way.

My Olguins and Garcia are in the 1800's  and this is in 1764 and
earlier.  I will mention these names so that someone that is looking for
them might be able to contect me.

San Jose del Parral ..... January 28, 1764
Tirso Jose Garcia ....
farther ... Nicolas Garcia
mother ... Anna Simona Saens
padrino ... Francisco Saens

This is a "Limpa de Sangre" document, and I decided to search Nicolas
Garcia  and here is what I found.

Nicolas Garcia de Bustamonte  married Anna Simona Saens on....
November 11, 1759  in San Jose del Parral

Parents to Nicolas  Garcia are....
Franco. Garcia de Bustamonte and Anna Maria Marcano

Parents to

Hey Carol,

Let me know if you find out who the parents are for Maria Francisca 
Marquez. It is probably listed on her marriage to Juan Antonio De 
Casas.  I am interested in knowing if she is part of the Marquez 
family that I am researching.

Thanks,
Angie

I love to use the IGI. 

I look for Children by using the Parents' Index.  I will use the 
father's name and his wife's and then switch the order and use the 
mother's name and her husband's.  This can bring good results.  The 
IGI only has two generations but if you can order the film from which 
it was extracted, you can gain more information.

Hopefully you will find a child/or children and by using the date of 
the first born, you can go back a year and try for a marriage date. 

Usually the marriage names are more complete and with these, either 
bride or groom or both, you can try for their birth dates and 
places and their parents' names.  Again try and get the film because 
although the IGI seems to show everyone could be related, they may 
not be!   

When I am searching for a person, I use the IGI and stop as I go 
along to check the films I have on permanent loan.  If I don't have 
the film(s), I can make the decision to order or not.  This is when I 
can also check to see

The problem is, I don't have a sccaner.  Sorry,  I wish I did. Many people are asking me to
send them in a sccaner.
Thanks any way

Mary






AGACorpus@... wrote:

> Mary,
> I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan
> one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.
>
> Mira
>
>
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Mary,
I am interested in helping you read the documents you speak of.  Can you scan 
one or two documents and send as an attachment.  I will be happy to help.

Mira

Mary,
If you want to forward me those copies I would be happy to help.  My 
Spanish is fluent, but depending on the age of the documents it might 
take me a little more time with the older documents.  I have 
experience with 1700's Spanish. I also know some very experienced 
genealogists I could ask for help if I need to.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Gervassi  wrote:
> Dear Mr Puentes,
> 
> I just came back from the Univerisity of Las Cruces in New Mexico.  
I need
> someone to help me translate the copies that I made, matrimonales, 
limpa de
> sangre, and some other copies.
> 
> Also how do I get a password and an ID to enter information on the 
Rancho web.
> 
> Thank you
> Mary
> 
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> > How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search 
feature
> > of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either 
but
> > here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my 
ancestors.
> >
> > I'm going to use

Hi Joseph,

Here is the link to look up a código postal:  
http://www.sepomex.gob.mx/cp/busca_cp.html

I looked up Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, Colonia Santa Maria 
de los Angeles and got:  46240

For Apatzingan, Michoacan I selected one of the Colonia's at random 
and got:  60656

You would need the address to get an accurate zip code, but now you 
have the link.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I need the CP (?Codio Postal?) for both Santa Maria de Los Angeles 
and 
> Apatzingan Michoacan
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas how to get the CP's for these places and 
> other ranchos in Mexico?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph

Joseph, do I need to be a member to get into the IGI search at Family Search?  I am looking for the birth of my Dad, or the marriage of my grandparents.  But I am only able to get into the Family History Library Catalog.



Thanks





Arturo Garza

Dear Mr Puentes,

I just came back from the Univerisity of Las Cruces in New Mexico.  I need
someone to help me translate the copies that I made, matrimonales, limpa de
sangre, and some other copies.

Also how do I get a password and an ID to enter information on the Rancho web.

Thank you
Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:

> How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search feature
> of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either but
> here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my ancestors.
>
> I'm going to use my Great Great Grandparents: Lucio Santa Maria and
> Cecilia Lugo. My Aunt Julia Espinoza gave me their names in a
> conversation one day. I went straight to IGI search page and plugged
> their names into the parent section. These are the names that I turned up:
>
> Mexico
> Father: Lucio Santa Maria, Mother: Cecilia Lugo
>
> 1. CAYETANO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
> Gender: Male Christening: 11 AUG 1857 Tepetongo

I can't remember but do any of these names sound familiar to anyone here?
Don't you have Flores Kitty in your or Rich's line?:

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Surnames: Aguilera/Cordova/Flores/Torres
Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AaC.2ACI/274

Message Board Post:

Juan Cordova Aguilera b) 24apr1882 in Encarnacion de Diaz m) c1904 to Marcelina Flores b) 8oct1889 in Encarnacion.  
Juan's parents were Refugio Aguilera and Teodosia Cordova. I have no other infomation on them.
Marcelina's parents were Albino Flores and Athanacia Torres.  They were married 13Feb1877 at Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mx. 
This is the

I need the CP (?Codio Postal?) for both Santa Maria de Los Angeles and
Apatzingan Michoacan.

Does anyone have any ideas how to get the CP's for these places and
other ranchos in Mexico?

thanks,

joseph

okay there are a bunch of folks on this list and only a few have sent
in their genealogies. . .divy up. Also some of you sent your genealogies
in an email --- I'm going to somehow put these into a file in the File
section. . .so can you all that sent your info in an email to the group
send them to me again with the subject: Genealogy of "Your Name"

Try to use this format:

complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____) married (date/place)
complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____):

their children:

1) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
2) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
3) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
4) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)

#1 married complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
their children:

#2 married complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
their children

of course this will only work for very brief genealogies

if yours is longer try to input it into PAF or another program and send
it on

Thanks for clearing this up and I'm sure you are correct.

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Here is YOUR Maria Ana De Casas marriage
record:

JOSE FELIPE CARRILLO

Male

Marriages:

Spouse:  MARIA ANA DE CASAS

Marriage:  18 JAN 1804   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The

source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage

date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:

M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

I don't think we are talking about the same Maria Ana Casas. 
I can't

imagine her having children in the 1750's and then remarrying in
1804.

- Angie

 

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Came across this:

JUAN ANTONIO DE CASAS  
Male
Marriages: 
Spouse:  MA. FRANCA. MARQZ.
Marriage:  05 JUN 1782   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

ANNA MARIA CASAS MARQUES
Female
Event(s):
Christening:  22 JUL 1789   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father:  JUAN ANTONIO DE CASAS
Mother:  MARIA FRANCISCA MARQUES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the 
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by 
the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
C602864  1768 - 1790  0443674

ALSO SIBLIINGS:
JOSE MARIA DE LA NATIVIDAD CASAS MARQUEZ
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1784 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico

MARIA NARSISSA CASAS MARQUES

Here is YOUR Maria Ana De Casas marriage record:

JOSE FELIPE CARRILLO
Male
Marriages: 
Spouse:  MARIA ANA DE CASAS
Marriage:  18 JAN 1804   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages: 
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783   

I don't think we are talking about the same Maria Ana Casas.  I can't 
imagine her having children in the 1750's and then remarrying in 1804.

- Angie

Info I received from our genealogy friends.



A. Garza

============================================

18 March 2003



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monumental work of genealogical and historical research by the late

Carl L. Duaine, is in the process of preparation.



This project comes sixteen years after the first appearance of the

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The second edition will be done by Laurence Alan Duaine, son of

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understanding of his father's effort, a worthy successor to that

heroic job. This will be a printing run of at least 3,000, including

improved maps and illustrations. A primary aim will be to make the

book available at a much lower price and thus to a wider audience,

now that it has achieved the recognition that

Hmm..this could be interesting I also have a Mariana De Casas on my list
who was married to Felipe Carrillo who was my gggrandfather who had my
gg-grandfather Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 2/8/1812 in Colotlan who then
had my ggrandmother Francisca Carrillo b. 1842 married to Casimiro Muro. 
Could be a different Mariana??? (unless she married twice).  I have
listed Mariana De Casas parents as Juan Antonio De Casas and Francisca
Marques.  I would have to say my Mariana would be born abt. 1780 time-frame. 
I'll look to see if I have that birth record/marriage record etc.

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

its 2am and I don't know if my heart can handle the adrenaline
rush

you've just given me. . .now I realize that we are only 90% sure
but I

think with your good researching techniques you've tied us together
as

family. . .now what would that make us something like 5th or 6th
cousins.

lets see here is me:

Joseph---Antonio Puentes------Julio Puentes-----Julio Puentes/Victoriana

Gonzales-----

its 2am and I don't know if my heart can handle the adrenaline rush
you've just given me. . .now I realize that we are only 90% sure but I
think with your good researching techniques you've tied us together as
family. . .now what would that make us something like 5th or 6th cousins.

lets see here is me:

Joseph---Antonio Puentes------Julio Puentes-----Julio Puentes/Victoriana
Gonzales------MaximoGonzales/Serapia Diaz---------
Tadeo Diaz/Margarita Romero------Tomas Romero/Merced de Nava------Manuel
Romero/Mariana de Casas-----??? Romero/???

Wooooe if you have the same amount of steps as I do that would make us
7th (lucky us) cousins. . .this is too wild to very wild.

this pushes my hopes for this group beyond the wildest dream of what I
actually thought might happen. . .

I know we're not absolutely sure but

. . .its nice to know you, Prima,

Joseph

oh i just realized that I have Merced de Nava's parents: here is what I
have and if this matches then we are locked:

Prima!!!!

aajay1073 wrote:

I think I found them!

JOSE THOMAS ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA MERCED DE LOS DOLORES DE NAVA

Marriage: 04 JAN 1787 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

SIMON ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA YGNACIA CASTANEDA
Marriage:  09 OCT 1791   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:

Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

In the film for Jose Thomas Romero's marriage. His parents are
listed as Manuel Romero and Ana Maria Casas. I think (in my opinion)
we are talking about the same Manuel Romero. Manuel's

Hello, my name is Arturo Garza and I belong to a Hispanic organization based in Dallas, Texas.  The name of the organization is HOGAR de Dallas.  HOGAR stand for Hispanic Organization for Genealogy And Research, and as the name indicates, our organization caters mainly to Hispanic research.  We are a young organization -- came into existance in 1998. 



Every year we publish a journal which includes articles, stories, family charts, queries, and anything else that pertains to genealogy.  Some of the family stories may not pertain specifically to genealogy, but the stories contain information about individuals, how they grew up, who they grew up with, where they grew up, etc.  These stories have helped readers of our journals with some of their research because of names and places mentioned in the family stories. 



Membership and sale of the journals is how HOGAR de Dallas remains in existance and we're able to provide genealogy research workshops in local libraries. 



This year we