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Is anyone researching these surnames?

joseph

Opps... I already took the discussion offline.  Here is a recap:
 HELLO!!! ......  ;-)

Per the discussion of books, I have the second part of "Historia de 
Totatiche"  I am trying to get my hands on this book, the first 
part.  Here is a little write up on that book - 
http://www.totatichejalisco.com/Historia/HistoriaLibroEsteban.htm

Esteban Valdés Salazar is the Totatiche town historian.  He has also 
written some genealogy books.  Since I am distantly related to him, I 
generaly will purchase his books when I can.  Especially convienent 
to me when he writes on the ancestors we share.  His sister, 
Inocencia Valdés Salazar, is the town historin for Momax.  I have one 
of her books too.  Especially convienent to me that Momax and 
Totatiche are my target areas of research. ;-)

If you go to this library website - http://melvyl.cdlib.org/

Do a search by author last name of "Valdés Salazar".  And both his 
and her books will be shown.

Good Luck,
Angie

---

Congratulations.  Blood relatives are forever, no
matter how many generations have past.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Donde va hacer la fiesta?. . .piñata, tamales,
> mariachis, tragitos y 
> bailando.
> 
> what a happy day it is! For more than a 100 years or
> maybe more than 200 
> years your families lost each other. People that
> loved and cared for 
> each other but through circumstances got lost and
> forgotten. Now they 
> are united and hopefully will never lose track of
> each other again.
> 
> arturoramos2 wrote:
> 
> >Angie:
> >
> >We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano
> Grano's daughter 
> >Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their
> eighth generation 
> >descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will
> definitely take a 
> >look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara
> interwoven throughout 
> >my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection
> there as well.
> >
> >Do you know how I would go

Wow!  Thanks.....the library thing sounds good.  I'll look around.  I live here in Southern California, San Gabriel Valley, so I'd have to check.

But thanks again!
> 
> From: "Natalie" 
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue PM 02:52:26 EDT
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Speaking Spanish
> 
> 

My Spanish is terribly rusty - It may have been my first language,

I'm not sure, but when I started school it was English all the time,

and pretty much lost my ability to communicate in Spanish, and as I

grew older there seemed to be fewer opportunities. Regretably, I

didn't raise my children bilingually, though I thought about it, and

I tried to infuse the Mexican culture when I could. I lived across

the country from family, so that didn't help either.

Anyway - the purpose of this message was really to pass on the

following bit of information: The University of Richmond (VA) is

offering a continuing(adult)education class of Spanish Immersion - it

will be held in

My Spanish is terribly rusty - It may have been my first language, 
I'm not sure, but when I started school it was English all the time, 
and pretty much lost my ability to communicate in Spanish, and as I 
grew older there seemed to be fewer opportunities. Regretably, I 
didn't raise my children bilingually, though I thought about it, and 
I tried to infuse the Mexican culture when I could. I lived across 
the country from family, so that didn't help either.
Anyway - the purpose of this message was really to pass on the 
following bit of information: The University of Richmond (VA) is 
offering a continuing(adult)education class of Spanish Immersion - it 
will be held in August (so probably to late to enroll)at the U. of 
Zacatecas. I don't know if this is an annual offering or a one shot 
deal. For more info see:  
http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/scs/thinkagain/professional/imm
ersion.htm
Also, at my neighborhood branch library, a group gets together on a 
regular basis to

Thanks Alicia!
I actually have read that book as well, also, Victor Villasenor wrote another novel after that one called "Thirteen Senses" which is a continuation of Rain of Gold.  I've read that one a number of times, too.  
Thanks for the advice....I will buy my books in spanish and get to it.  I am, though, a little afraid that I won't pick it up.  When I've ordered microfilm from LDS, I was able to stumble through the translations.'

I'll be positive, though and say that, YES, I'LL LEARN!

Peggy
> 
> From: Alicia Carrillo 
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue PM 01:30:57 EDT
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose Francisco
> 
> Peggy,
>  
> Another great book I had mentioned a few weeks ago is Rain of Gold in English or Lluvia de Oro in Spanish by Victor Villaseñor, I read both the Spanish and English versions and I have to say that they were both great. Not only will you learn the language but you will get a lot of history and cultural

Emilie,
Thanks so much for you message.  I think I will try your suggestion about reading books in Spanish. I've read, "Like Water for Chocolate" already, the english version and I have it.  So I'll be it in Spanish, as well as my other favorite, "Caramelo" which is also sold in Spanish.  

My mother told me that she learned by watching the novelas with her mother-in-law and that helped a lot.

I also do belong to a group where I get articles and posting from Zacatecas, but you're right.  Youngsters just post their pictures looking to "hook up" with one another *laugh*.
Thanks for your help....and your advice. 

Peggy
> From: "Emilie Garcia" 
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue AM 11:52:55 EDT
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Re: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose Francisco
> 
> Peggy,
> 
> I too was lucky enough (along with my husband) to have worked in civil service (in Silicon Valley) and retire with good defined benefits.  As for the Spanish, my experience is

Angie:

We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter 
Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth generation 
descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a 
look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven throughout 
my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.

Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you 
mention?  We can continue this discussion outside the group if you 
like... arturo.ramos2@...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
> Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
> Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
> 3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/
> 
> There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  
It 
> is called the "El Sacerdoncio

Angie:

We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter 
Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth generation 
descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a 
look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven throughout 
my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.

Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you 
mention?  We can continue this discussion outside the group if you 
like... arturo.ramos2@...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
> Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
> Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
> 3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/
> 
> There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  
It 
> is called the "El Sacerdoncio

Thanks for the info.  I guess I'm one of the babies of the group at 36??  I've also been lucky enough to have a civil service job with a great union who has cemented great benefits for the next five years.  I feel spoiled when I hear the stories about people's health care issues.  It's a total shame that all people don't have good insurance and benefits!!

I did want to say, though, that for the record I always enjoy reading everyone's post.  I've been so educated by each and everyone of your messages.  I feel like I lack the family experiences, though, since myself as well as my parents were born here.  I envy the members who have gotten to travel to their ancestral homelands.  I want to do the same but I don't have a lot of free time.  And I was never taught spanish and would like to take a class.  Is there any online programs, software (I feel like such a dork!) that teach spanish?  I understand the basics from high school spanish classes, but I want to learn more.  How does one go

Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs. 

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills

Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs.  

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills, same weight, and I
believe from the same company that makes the pills. 
The same pill in Canada will now cost me $9.58 each,
or a total cost for 4 pills at $53.31, and that
includes shipping cost.  

You can log on www.pharmacychecker.com to see
comparative costs of drugs from the various pharmacies
throughout Canada.

Good luck.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, Caifornia

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> She's

Hello!

Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/

There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  It 
is called the "El Sacerdoncio Ministerial, Singular Don a la 
Parroquia de Totatiche, Jalisco" by Esteban Valdes Salazar.  It is a 
small book less than 200 pages.  It starts with Joseph Cayetano Grano 
and his wife Efigenia de la Rosa Covarrubias.  Then it goes on to 
each of his seven daughters including their descendants.  Eusebia 
Grano was one of his daughters.  There is about 50 pages on her 
descendants.  There are a couple of other people in this group who 
are related to the Grano family.

There is a another book on the Jara family of Totatiche.  Descendants 
of Joseph Fernandez De Jara and Catarina Covarrubias, who

I just ran across this individual record in the LDS VRI-Mexico database... the 
fact that the wife has the same last name as the husband is not particularly 
interesting.... what is more interesting is that the wife's parents both have in 
effect the same name.

I remember reading somewhere that when indigenous people married into or 
were hired into a family they were "assigned" the name of the family they were 
associated with for lack of a better alternative.  Does anyone know anything 
more concrete on this that can shed any light?

Individual Record	FamilySearch? Vital Records Index
Mexico
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
	
Natividad GONSALEZ	      Age At Marriage: 18 
 	Sex: 	 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):	 	 
Birth: 1842>	Place: Urives
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:	 	 
 	Father: Crecencio GONSALEZ
 	Mother: Crecencia GONSALEZ
---

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies/Arturo+Ramos+(arturo.ramos2@...)&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/

hmmm, this sure is a long URL. . .if it doesn't work maybe its because
part of the URL wrapped to the next line. In this case you'll need to
copy and paste the tail end of the URL onto the part that didn't wrap
and try again.

or you can go here and just follow the path to Arturo Ramos' work:

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies&.src=bc&.view=l&BCID=makas_nc

joseph

ps: this link and all new members' genealogies are found in the Links
area under "AAAAA-Genealogies"

Yes, I believe all the Tovars in Jerez were related,
just like the Duartes.  We'll have to meet in Jerez
and go to the old cemeteries so that we can research
our old family names.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> She's probably related to my great-grandfather's
> first wife, Eleuteria 
> Tovar.:)  Marge:)
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
> >  Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her
> name
> >  written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
> >  Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
> >  Vasquez Tobar.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
> 



		
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An Observation and Sad Note:
I believe it was not unusual for a son not to have the
same last names of his mother and father.  He
sometimes would take a different last name altogether
(probably because he was baptized with a different
name). 

I found a Spanish soldier from Jerez de la Frontera,
in 1575, that may have been a relative, that took the
last name of Andres Duarte and his mother was a
Rodriguez and has father was a Gonzalez!  This soldier
came to Zacatecas in 1576.  After searching for him
for more than 10 years, I found a record where he had
drowned in the Philippines sea in 1603 during a storm
on his way back to new Spain (Mexico).

Alberto Duarte

Santa Maria, California
--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> I was once told that many of the early scribes in
> Mexico were Portuquese and that they spelled things
> differently too. If many of the people did not read
> or write and didn't see what was being put into the
> record any chance for correction wasn

Thank you.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- zendean  wrote:

> Alberto;  Thank you for your various replies to my
> postings over the months 
> past. This is a site filled with good people. You
> are one.
> 
> I live in Whittier,  California
> 
> Again, thank you,
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Duarte" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Altos de Jalisco
> 
> 
> > Don't feel left out.  My wife is from Los Altos
> and
> > never heard of my last name (Duarte) until she met
> me.
> >
> > Alberto Duarte
> > Santa Maria, California
> >
> > --- latina1955@... wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My husband's surnames include Rocha, Ortiz,
> >> Madrigal, Duarte.  I have
> >> started doing some research, but have not taken
> the
> >> serious time yet.   There are
> >> many Madrigales in this area - most claiming not
> >> related (but I think  people
>