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A sad note in our history.....
I was just a youngster at that time, living near 1st
street and Boyle Heights, near downtown Los Angeles
and remember the pachucos, most of them were 1st and
2nd generation Mexican-Americans.  

We were literately 2nd class citizens and were treated
worst than most other ethic groups;  when even while
our fathers, uncles, cousins, friends, were dying in
the battle fields of Europe and Asia defending the
same people that hated us!

It was only my Christan faith that saved me.  I knew
that God would eventually punish those that mistreated
us.

Alberto.

--- janet iglesias  wrote:


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I know I'm a little bit late to jump into this
conversation but there is a great example of what
Esperanza is stating in the movie "American Me" with
Edward James Olmos. Great movie on how gangs influence
Los Angeles.



~Janet Iglesias, San Diego CA



>From: latina1955@...
>Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>To: ranchos

Rancho:

Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o
una comunidad.

Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias
personas.

Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales
domesticos.

Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia.

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
S.W. Riverside County

Joseph,

My answer to you comes from my own observations and experiences.  I've never seen any scholarly research work on "pachuquismo".  I don't want to sound as though I somehow know everything about the subject.  My answere to your questions is "yes".  Gangs existed before the pachuco style of dress became popular.  I saw the gangsters adopt the pachuco style of dress.  I also saw many young people, non-criminal, non-gangster, imitate the style of dress.  The non-gangster pachuco was accepting of any and all who wanted to "join" the "movement".  I saw anglos, african-americans and others accepted as gangsters.  The depiction of this in Luis Valdez' movie, "Zoot Suit", matches my recollections.  As a pre-teen and teen-ager I thought it was cool to peg my baggy pants.  There is a way to fold and roll up the pant leg so that it looks custom-made (from a distance).  Some people in the forties and fifties accepted the pachuco style just as many young people today seem to think that the

If anyone is into "Podcasting" more so from the listening standpoint
here is something of interest for those interested in an insiders view
of things at the vatican:

http://www.catholicinsider.com/

joseph

ps: down load one or two shows to your computer and have a listen.

David P. Delgado wrote:

Emilie,

As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico.  El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word.  La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype.  Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's.  They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp".  I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members.

man did the pachucos dress sharp!!! My uncle was one and I can remember
his cool threads. I was young and never understood but did the pachucos
hang together as gangs? Or were they all individuals? Did the "pachuco
movement" ever cross the border? Are there gangs in Mexico now. . .as in
the types of gangs we see in US now?

curious minds need to know,

joseph

David in Albany, CA

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Emilie,

As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico.  El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word.  La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype.  Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's.  They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp".  I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve G. Apodaca" 
Sent: Jul 5, 2005 4:12 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] La Catrina





Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina



http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG">http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG



There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just 

Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina

http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG

There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just 
scroll down to "Calaveras"

http://muertos.palomar.edu/posdad.htm

Steve.
OC,CA



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
 wrote:
> Ok, now, who is La Catrina?  Even my husband, who was more into 
the culture until the age of 12 in El Paso, doesn't know either.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Natalie
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:38 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
> 
> I don't remember "celebrating" this holiday as a youngster (in 
the  
> 40's & 50's), either. And it is only in the last 10-15 yrs that I  
> have been exposed to this custom.
> In the past two years the Smithsonian has had public programs for  
> DDLM, (one day affairs) with music (strolling mariachi), dance,  
> displays, and crafts.
> The

El dia de los muertos is celebrated differently, depending on the 
region of Mexico where you are at. My family, and the people I know 
in Zacoalco and Guadalajara, visit their dead loved ones on November 
2 each year. I remember that when I was a kid they took me several 
times to my grandfather's grave, and I remember that after a short 
prayer, my dad used to talk directly to my grandfather, staring at 
his grave, just like if he was having a conversation with him. I am 
used to this, but maybe someone may think it is weird. Anyways, 
after "talking" with my grandfather, we always cut some sugar cane 
from a plantation inside the cemetery and ate the sticks on the way 
back home.

I did not learn about altars for the dead until I came to the United 
States. In Jalisco, I never saw one, I guess it is not a tradition 
in the state. In California, I found out that those who put the 
altars were mostly people from Michoacan. Down there, they really 
have a big celebration for November 2

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Maria,
	I thought about this a lot this weekend.  I spent some time with my
folks this weekend.  My parents told me the same thing.  They pray the
rosary and have masses said for the dead.  They also reminded me that the
cemetery only holds their bodies, not their souls.  I guess this says it
all.  Wow!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:nena@...] 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:25 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

Wow Irma, your Dad sounds just like mine.  The last time I went to San
Nicolas with him I asked about going to the cemetery where my grandfather is
buried and he had no interest in doing that. He asked me why I wanted to go.
I explained to him that I might find some valuable genealogical information
there.  He said there were not many headstones and there were mostly wooden
crosses on otherwise unmarked graves.  I still would like to go and see for
myself and plan do so sometime in

The following site might also be helpful with info on "La Catrina":
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dead/history/posada,html

nc

First, let me apologize for possibly misspelling the name - I didn't 
bother to double check - and still haven't. "La Catrina" is the calaca 
figure created by the artist Jose Guadalupe Posada; a female often 
depicted with a wide-brimmed hat trimmed with feathers, and wearing a 
blouse and skirt. You might try to google Jose Guadalupe Posada. (Note: 
please excuse missing accents - haven't memorized the rules.)
The following is the site for the Mexican Cultural Institute:
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/mci/news.htm
Hasta la proxima,

Natalie Coleman, VA

Rancho:

Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o 
una comunidad.

Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias 
personas.

Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales 
domesticos.

Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia.

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
S.W. Riverside County 

I don't remember "celebrating" this holiday as a youngster (in the 
40's & 50's), either. And it is only in the last 10-15 yrs that I 
have been exposed to this custom.
In the past two years the Smithsonian has had public programs for 
DDLM, (one day affairs) with music (strolling mariachi), dance, 
displays, and crafts.
The Mexican Cultural Institute (Washington, DC), in the building that 
formerly housed the Embassy of Mexico, have hosted a DDLM exhibit the 
past 3 yrs - with a magnificent altar in their blue & white tiled sun 
room, reception, and music. Last year there was even a woman dressed 
as La Catrina.
About 6 or 7 yrs ago I began putting up an altar in my yard (then 
moved it to the porch). I would put it up a day or two before 
Halloween - so trick or treaters would get an education when they 
came for their treats. I deviated from the standard of remembering 
and honor family members by remembering friends and family who had 
died in the previous 12 months - I would just

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You're welcome, Maria..."puesto" is a way of saying "place".  I think it's sort of a neutral word.  At least that's how I understand it.

David Delgado  in Albany, CA

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From: readysetgo95814 
Sent: Jul 1, 2005 11:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: What is a Rancho???





David,



Thanks for the explanation.  I had been wondering about the 

term "Estancia".  I've also seen "Estanzuela" and I would guess it 

derived from the word "Estancia"?  The other term I've come across 

is "Puesto".  I picture that to be even smaller than a Rancho, but I 

am not sure.  I really haven't looked into it.  Does anyone know?



Maria Cortez

Elk Grove, CA



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "David P. Delgado"  

wrote:

> Joseph,

> 

> I think that the closest English equivalent of "rancho" is "town".  

The word town is as small and varied as the word "rancho". 

Hi Natalie,

I particularly enjoyed you posting because it reminded
me of my growing up years (I'm now 55).  Both my
parents were born in the U.S. Dad (3rd of 4
children)was born in New Mexico and his parents were
from Zacatecas (Sain Alto and Nochistlan~came to the
U.S. in 1910 and 1908 respectively).  My Mom (7th of 8
children) was born in California and her parents were
from Mocorito, Sinaloa, (they came to California in
1922).  My Dad's side of the family seemed to
incorporate less meat and more fruits and vegetables
in their "much more simple" meals, where my Mom's
family routinely celebrated with the type of food you
have mentioned.  My family and my Mom's siblings and
their families all lived within a 20 mile radius of my
grandparents home and each Sunday (and all holidays)
the entire family would get together for Sunday dinner
at my "Nana and Tata's" home.  This is where the food
you mentioned was commonly served (carnitas, frijoles
de olla, birria, cabeza, cesos, lengua

Dear Natalie,

What an interesting post. My Scots mother learned to make flour tortillas from her in-laws. My Tia Offie makes lengua, and it is very tasty. I haven't tasted her cooking in over 20 years because Tia Offie no longer cooks.



When my grandkids are over here, I feed them Peanut Butter and Jelly burritos. They're my favorite snack. Marge:)

On Jul 2, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Natalie wrote:

WOW! 300+ posts in June, and it is only July 2, and there are already

31 posts! Bring it on!

The food postings have been very interesting, and has caused me to

reflect on why I cook as I do. My father is my Zacatecas connection;

he came to the U.S. in 1916 as a 4 yr. old - his mother died when he

was 17 yrs. old, so I am sure she impacted his culinary tastes and

traditions. (My mother was born in Calif. - her mother was from

Mexico, but I don't know where; my mother was 5 yrs. old when her

mother died; I was almost 12 yrs. when my mother died. I remember her

as being a good