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Perhaps, the best I may recommend is taking an interpreter, maybe a 
relative or a friend who speaks spanish, with you. Something  that I 
want to add about the phone calls, well, I don't know if this applies 
to all ranchos in Jalisco, but I believe that in some small pueblos 
people may be suspicious about giving information to a stranger on 
the phone. Joseph, can you tell us if you have had people reluctant 
or even hostile while asking for their ancestors' info? The idea of 
calling people is acceptable, but I would rather go to the pueblo and 
talk to the posible primos in person. Well that is my opinion based 
on my own experience. I grew up in Zacoalco and noticed that 
Jaliscienses (or jalisquillos as we are sometimes called), are at 
first a little bit suspicious of foreigners but as we get to know 
them, we are friendly to everyone. Some americans and italians living 
in the area visit my parents' restaurant every once in a while and 
even though my dad does not speak any

Very good!  In fact, I'm going to use it.

Alberto.
--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> well, speaking spanish is a must. I didn't say
> speaking fluently but 
> near fluency is a must.
> 
> =============================
> 
> I just tell whoever answers that My name is Joseph
> Puentes and that I'm 
> calling all the Puente and Puentes' in the phone
> book to see if maybe we 
> are distantly related. I go on to say I'm a
> genealogist and have traced 
> the family back to 1730. Tracing my family history
> gives me great 
> enjoyment and I would be glad to share that
> information if i can make a 
> connection between our families. I tell them I think
> we're related 
> because most of the Puentes from [that area] are
> related one way or 
> another.
> 
> if the person answering is young then I ask if maybe
> their parents or 
> grandparents are available to speak with. I also
> make sure to ask if 
> anyone in the family is interested in remembering
> the history of the 
> family

Is there anyone in the group that is just starting off in their
genealogy search and feeling kind of lost? Are you not sure how to
proceed? Are you in need of some ideas of where to and what to search?
This group is not only for the advanced and midlevel researcher but also
and especially for the beginner. Remember the only requirements for the
group are to do your own research and submit your genealogy. So being a
beginner and serious fits that description and you need to ask your
questions and get started. There are some very talented people in this
group and if you ask your questions I will learn along with you as they
answer.

joseph

===============

Hay alguien en el grupo que es nuevo a la genealogia. . .alguien que se
siente poco

Is there anyone in the group that is just starting off in their
genealogy search and feeling kind of lost? Are you not sure how to
proceed? Are you in need of some ideas of where to and what to search?
This group is not only for the advanced and midlevel researcher but also
and especially for the beginner. Remember the only requirements for the
group are to do your own research and submit your genealogy. So being a
beginner and serious fits that description and you need to ask your
questions and get started. There are some very talented people in this
group and if you ask your questions I will learn along with you as they
answer.

joseph

===============

Hay alguien en el grupo que es nuevo a la genealogia. . .alguien que se
siente poco perdido en la buscadera? Si necesitas ideas de que or donde
hacer su investigacion mandanos sus preguntas. Este grupo no es nomas
para los Mas Mejores y los Medianos de genealogistas pero tambien quiero
decir especialmente para los que

Thanks to everyone who entered their information.  I think it will 
become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up, 
you are given that "Search This Table" input box.  If you type in a 
surname or a location, it lists out all the people searching that 
surname and or location.  A very useful feature, be sure to try it.

The fields in the table are:
Name
Email Address    {optional}
Research Surnames    {Surnames you are researching.}
Research Location    {Cities, Towns, Ranchos that your ancestors are 
from.}
My Location    {Your current location - optional}

So once you are on the database page you just select the 'Add Record' 
link.  Enter your information.  Then select the 'Add Record' button.  
You should then be able to see your record in the table.  The edit 
link will allow you to modify your record at any time.

That should do it...

Thanks,
Angie

P.S.  Isn't it kind of convenient that my record shows up first.  I, 
of

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> (Start of message truncated)
>
> Bear in mind that my spanish is "shaky." There are others in the 
group 
> whose spanish is much more fluent. How about some of you taking 
what I 
> said and cleaning up the Spanish. give us a more "refined" way of 
saying 
> what I said. Show us how to say the same thing without broadcasting 
to 
> the world. . .I'm not a native speaker of Spanish ANYMORE!
> 
> 

Spanish is my native tongue and, as you know, I live in México, José, 
so I took your suggestion and revised your script.  Hope it helps!

Here it is:

Buenos(as) (días | tardes | noches), me llamo José Puentes y le hablo 
desde (your place).  
Yo me dedico a la genealogía y he investigado el origen del apellido 
Puentes hasta el año de 1730 en Jalisco (y/o Zacatecas).  Encontré su 
número de teléfono en el directorio en la lista de los Puente(s).  
¿Podría hablar con el Señor o la Señora Puentes, por favor?

(Hopefully

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Okay folks we have 84 members and 32 entries in the Database "Who's
Who." Angie Godina went to a lot of trouble to establish this database
and I think it will really help for a quick one stop look at who is
researching in a particular area.

So why not have a look in the Database under Who's Who and fill in your
entry. If you have trouble ask your questions If I can't answer I'm sure
our creator will.

[note: Participation in this database is not absolutely required. So
don't anybody go and get nervous about me taking out my Axe if you don't
comply!]

Since the topic of My Axe has come up. . . .

8^)  joseph

ps: I'm going to ask Angie [Angie Are you listening?] if she can make up
a form letter detailing how to enter your data into the Database. I'm
going to couple these instructions with an encouragement letter and send
it to the group on a monthly basis. that way the old vatos in the group
will constantly be pestered and the jovenes will have an opportunity to
comply

Would Yolanda Gomez please come to the principles office as soon as
possible.

Seems I can't match up your Email Address with you.

Please ID as soon as possible.

joseph

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax,
Zacatecas, Mexico

-

Helyn,

Here is some additional information you may or may not have...

Marriage Record:
ANTO. JOSE DE ROBLES
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MA. LUCIANA SANCHES
  Marriage:  About 03 NOV 1830   Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M600845  1776 - 1885  0444019

ROBLES-SANCHES Children:
- JOSE YGNACIO RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1831 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

- ANTO. RAMON ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 12 DEC 1832 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MARIA RAMONA DEL REFUGIO ROBLES SANCHEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 06 SEP 1835 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 

- DOMINGO ROMAN ROBLES SANCHES
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1837 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

- MA

A very good written article by John Schmal. 

I've been to Vera Cruz, Zacatecas, and Guanajuato, and
have seen Mexicans with negro features at these
locations.  Anyway you look at it, approximately
200,000 blacks had to have been absorbed into the
population.

Alberto. 

--- makas@... wrote:

> 
>   Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
> By John P. Schmal
> 
> The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico
> 
> The majority of slaves brought to the shores of
> Mexico were male. With a 
> lack of female Africans, most of these men
> eventually chose Indian or 
> mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete
> Partidas laws of 
> Spain granted slaves the right to select their
> spouses. Slave masters 
> were thus forbidden from intervening in this
> decision.
> 
> Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering
> History, 
> Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White
> Roots of Mexican 
> Americans, observed that "this legislation was of
> monumental importance 
> because it