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Hi Joseph,
 
She was also the first feminist of the Americas.  I've
never seen the movie.  I'll have to look for it.  I wrote a paper on
her for a class as an undergraduate.  In addition to her religious themed
writings, she also wrote the following amazing poem which criticized the "double
standard" of the time.  She was amazing, and brilliant
...
 
Enjoy,
Irma
 
REDONDILLAS

Hombres necios que acusáis
a la mujer, sin
razón,
sin ver que sois la ocasión
de lo mismo que culpáis;

si con
ansia sin igual
solicitáis su desdén,
por qué queréis que obren bien
si
las incitáis al mal?

Combatís su resistencia
y luego, con
gravedad,
decís que fue liviandad
lo que hizo la
diligencia.

Parecer quiere el denuedo
de vuestro parecer loco,
al
niño que pone el coco
y luego le tiene miedo.

Queréis, con presunción
necia,
hallar a la que buscáis
para prentendida, Thais,
y en la
posesión, Lucrecia.

¿Qué humor puede ser más raro
que el que, falto de
consejo,
él mismo empaña el espejo
y siente que no esté claro?

Con
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Colotlan Clubs: was Doctorate Study about Zacatecas

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Colotlan has clubs around the country also but most are in CA. . .if
anyone is interested let me know and Illl put you in contact with the
group leader.



joseph





Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Here's a very
interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs
in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of
Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the
local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were
out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking
for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will
be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting
people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this
goes as it goes.
 
Alicia
 
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Doctorado

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... Animas y Tlachichila en Nochistlan, y El Remolino,
en Juchipila—, ... a)

Visitas a El Cargadero, El Remolino y Tlachichila,
estableciendo
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I just noticed that it did not have a complete address. Here it is, really good article.
 
Alicia
 

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Doctorate Study about Zacatecas
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Here's a very interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this goes as it goes.
 
Alicia
 
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Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal

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Smiley wrote:

...Joseph...I found the FHC here in
Norman.  I guess I am one of the lucky ones, as this is only about a
mile from my home.  What is sad, is I used to live in Salt Lake City
and never did any of my own research.  I was always helping everyone
else...smile.
 
I never even thought about the FHC,
until you mentioned them just now in this post!  I was thinking
"foreign", how much fun was I gonna have looking for them.  I may luck
out pretty good.  I sure hope so, so I can give my Mother-in-Law
something really special for Mothers Day this year.  Thank you so very
much for "knocking" my brain into thinking...

I would go at collecting more info from your in-laws. Seems that oral
history comes in spurts and they really do remember a lot more than
they think they know. I'd not ask them questions that are closed ended
but rather ones that would let them just tell stories of how things
were and then as they reach points of special interest question them a
"little"
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Doctorate Study about Zacatecas

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Here's a very interesting document I googled about Zacatecas. It talks of the clubs in the USA called the 3x1 or formerly 2X1. In San Jose the Governor of Zacatecas came for a fundraiser two weeks ago. She was invited by the local club Zacatecano and unfortunately we could not attend as we were out of town for a convention. This is an effective method of networking for your geneaology group. The San Jose, Ca, club de Tlachichila will be holding a dance and fundraiser next month and I've been recruiting people to attend via the roots web page. I'll let you know how this goes as it goes.

 

Alicia

 

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... Animas y Tlachichila en Nochistlan, y El Remolino, en Juchipila?, ... a)
Visitas a El Cargadero, El Remolino y Tlachichila, estableciendo ...
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Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal

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...Joseph...I found the FHC here in Norman.  I guess I am one of the lucky ones, as this is only about a mile from my home.  What is sad, is I used to live in Salt Lake City and never did any of my own research.  I was always helping everyone else...smile.
 
I never even thought about the FHC, until you mentioned them just now in this post!  I was thinking "foreign", how much fun was I gonna have looking for them.  I may luck out pretty good.  I sure hope so, so I can give my Mother-in-Law something really special for Mothers Day this year.  Thank you so very much for "knocking" my brain into thinking...
 
Most Appreciative,
 
Smiley Scott  (whose really smiling right about now)
Norman, OK
 


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well have you been using any Family History Center materials for your search? If not you need to locate the closest FHC to you and order some films from the Lagos area. I would think you will be find abundant info to begin tracing your family in these films. Let me

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Jalisco: Las Cajas, Tlacuitapa, San Antonio de la Garza, Lagos de Moreno, Guadal

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well have you been using any Family History Center materials for your
search? If not you need to locate the closest FHC to you and order some
films from the Lagos area. I would think you will be find abundant info
to begin tracing your family in these films. Let me know what city you
live in and I'll send you the addresses of the FHC's close to you.



general info about Lagos:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1634-1957

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Santa María de los Lagos (Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Algunos libros incluyen índice.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Some of the registers include an index.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Lagos de Moreno - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de Utah,
1958

Physical

476
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It must be nice living in California, I live in El Paso, Tx. lots of sun, great food, music, culture and friendly people. I am also hooked on the novelas and I watch four a day.  
I wonder, what computer program are you using for your genealogy?  I have been very pleased with Family Tree Maker, I started with version 8 upgraded to 10 and I just found version 12 at SAMS Club for 40 dollars. 
 I am also searching for other lines and that demands good record keeping and organization.  I happen to have a partner in crime and that makes it more fun for both of us. We also belong to the El Paso Genealogy Society.  I help in my own way by reading Smeltertown Cemetery records which will be put on the Tex Gen Web Cemetery Project.  Today my cousin Margaret and I were at the Cemetery with my trusted Digital Camera. Talk about Old West Cemetery, dusty, rocky and very third world. It is very
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Interesting Link About Guadalajara

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...yes Victor, this is wonderful link.  Thank you so much...Smiley

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Thanks Victor, this is a great historical website. Much history of Guadalajara and it's holdings which encompassed vast amounts of land.

 

Alicia

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I haven't seen a URL to this site here.  I hope somebody finds it
useful.

http://www.fsu.edu/~guadalaj/





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SEVILLA/APODACA/OCAMPO

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My mothers side of the family is all Ocampo but are from El Remolino, 
Zacatecas. I know that she has aunts and uncles, sibilings of my 
grandfather who are Ocampos, who lived and some who are living in 
different parts of Jalisco. Is there any other names you have with the 
Ocampo last name??

Vanessa Sandoval

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> I woul like to share any information that any one of you would have 
on 
> the following last names Sevilla from my Father side. Apodaca from my 
> Mother. Ocampo from my maternal Grandmother.
> My ancestor come from the Santa Catarina/Zacoalco Jalisco areas. My 
> Father's name was Jose Paz Sevilla, son of Paulino Sevilla and Sixta 
> Morgutia. My Mother's name was Maria Apodaca doughter of Jose Apodaca 
> and Florencia Ocampo. My Maternal Grandmother was born in 
> Bellavista/Ocotlan de Juarez Jalisco a small town just South of Santa 
> Catarina.
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> Thanks to a cousin that I found via the Zacoalco
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Jalisco: Las Cajas ???

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yes you are right. . .how quickly I forgot.



follow the same directions and then go to Jalisco then to Lagos de
Moreno and you will find Las Cajas



joseph



Smiley wrote:

...Las Cajas is in
Jalisco, or at least the one I am referring to.  None of my family has
ever lived in Zacatecas, or at least not this one.  Las Cajas is
supposed to be around Lagos de Moreno or Rancho San Antonio de La
Garza.  Thanks a bunch...Smiley



Joseph Puentes wrote:

its
not a map I was referring to but the 2000 Census.



go to the links area



first link is for 2000 Census



go to the Zacatecas section (be patient as it might take a while to

download)



then look for the main heading Las Cajas is in and then its right
there.

(not a map)



joseph







smileysway2 wrote:



>...someone said that Rancho Las Cajas was still there but I can not


>find it anywhere on any of the maps posted.  Could someone send me
a

>link, so I can see where it is actually
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SEVILLA/APODACA/OCAMPO

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I woul like to share any information that any one of you would have on 
the following last names Sevilla from my Father side. Apodaca from my 
Mother. Ocampo from my maternal Grandmother.
My ancestor come from the Santa Catarina/Zacoalco Jalisco areas. My 
Father's name was Jose Paz Sevilla, son of Paulino Sevilla and Sixta 
Morgutia. My Mother's name was Maria Apodaca doughter of Jose Apodaca 
and Florencia Ocampo. My Maternal Grandmother was born in 
Bellavista/Ocotlan de Juarez Jalisco a small town just South of Santa 
Catarina.

Thanks to a cousin that I found via the Zacoalco web page I was able to 
obtain much information on the APODACA last name..the Sevilla is the 
one that I have little or no information. Any information please..

Jalisco: Las Cajas ???

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...Las Cajas is in Jalisco, or at least the one I am referring to.  None of my family has ever lived in Zacatecas, or at least not this one.  Las Cajas is supposed to be around Lagos de Moreno or Rancho San Antonio de La Garza.  Thanks a bunch...Smiley

Joseph Puentes wrote:

its not a map I was referring to but the 2000 Census.

go to the links area

first link is for 2000 Census

go to the Zacatecas section (be patient as it might take a while to
download)

then look for the main heading Las Cajas is in and then its right there.
(not a map)

joseph



smileysway2 wrote:

>...someone said that Rancho Las Cajas was still there but I can not
>find it anywhere on any of the maps posted.  Could someone send me a
>link, so I can see where it is actually located?  Thanks in advance...
>Smiley
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Jalisco: Las Cajas ???

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its not a map I was referring to but the 2000 Census.

go to the links area

first link is for 2000 Census

go to the Zacatecas section (be patient as it might take a while to
download)

then look for the main heading Las Cajas is in and then its right there.
(not a map)


joseph



smileysway2 wrote:

...someone said that Rancho Las Cajas was still there but I can not
find it anywhere on any of the maps posted. Could someone send me a
link, so I can see where it is actually located? Thanks in advance...

Smiley






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Jalisco: Las Cajas ???

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...someone said that Rancho Las Cajas was still there but I can not 
find it anywhere on any of the maps posted.  Could someone send me a 
link, so I can see where it is actually located?  Thanks in advance...
Smiley

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...I am just now starting to research my husbands side of the 
family.  The above towns are just a few of where they came from, and 
so this should be a new adventure for me.

My in-laws do not remember much about their ancestry, as they live in 
the USA now.  The surnames associated with this side of my family are:

SANCHEZ
FRANCO
ESPINOZA
FLORES

My husband was born in Las Cajas in 1968.  He has 12 siblings that 
were born in Las Cajas, Rancho San Antonio de La Garza, Tlacuitapa 
and Lagos de Moreno, respectively.

My father in law, Nicacio SANCHEZ ESPINOZA was born in Las Cajas. 
Nicacio' father, Manuel SANCHEZ passed away in 12/1996, in Tlacuitapa 
at his son, Paulino's house.  His wife, Maria ESPINOZA passed away, 
in 12/1991, at their home in Lagos de Moreno. Manuel & Maria had 9 
children; Nicacio, Paulino, Isidoro, Lino, Guadalupe, Maria Soledad, 
Juanita & Maria de La Luz.  Most of them live in and around 
Tlacuitapa & Rancho San Antonio de La Garza, with the exception of 
2
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Hola Helyn.
  It truly feels good to make a connection!!  My connection is thru Pedro Joseph Bugarin who married Maria Gertrudis Carrillo, their son Jose Francisco born about 1785, he married Maria Ygnacia Mota  and had a son Mateo Bugarin born about 1824 and he married Claudia De Avila 1-19-1850.  They had a son Longinos Bugarin who was born in Tlajomulco, Guadalajara Jalisco and  his second wife Basilia Anchondo and Longinos are my husband's grandparents and it was Longinos that changed the name from Bugarin to Bugarini. 
 
Good info on the twins, by the way do you have any info on the parents of Pedro Joseph de Bugarin?  I was recently contacted by another Bugarin and he told me that Pedro's father was Albaro Cosme Bugarin,  I also think this is possible but am trying to verify.  any suggestions?
I did look at a marriage film but there were no family members listed, so no help there.   In any case lets keep searching and sharing.      Yolanda

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El Parroco

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No, el Parroco means "the Parish priest," but equally so what context is it in.
 
Steven H. 

 
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: El Parroco

I know that Parroco means "Parishioner" but I don't know in what context it is written.
 
Alicia

aajay1073 wrote:


I wonder if 'Parroco' is a mispelling of 'Parroquia'.  In other words
the child was born in the parish s/he was being baptised in.  I have
seen references to people either being from the parish or born in the
parish so that is why I think it might be 'Parroquia'.

Angie

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> In a baptismal record, in a film for Tlaltenango, Zac,  the birth
place for the ancestor was listed as "El Parroco". Does anyone know
where this place may have been? Gracias, Helyn
>




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