I've be following the thread in regards to the books dealing Nuevo Galicia with interest. I was wondering if anyone knows of any books dealing specifically with the history of Tepatitlan \ Los Altos or San Jose de Bazarte. If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can find out more on the historical background of these places ? especially "La Villa"....Thanks in advance , Robert Gonzalez ~
Just a simple question.
I understand that the present method probably is quicker and saves time for the original document-recorder person in 99% of the time; but WHY does that person (who creates these documents) NOT bother to include the names of the parents of the newlyweds ???? If the parent's names are not on the record or illegible, that can be noted on the IGI just as easily.
Aren't we ALL grateful when we do find an IGI with that information? Think of the countless MILLIONS of wasted hours saved for the researcher/ descendants.
The information is ALREADY there in 99% of the time.
Why does the person who needs this vital information about their ancestors have to send for that SAME microfilm and spend countless hours of of DUPLICATE research time in doing this?
Just a thought.
Hi, Everyone:
I am sorry I do not contribute very often. While I have made some very
important and significant connections with those with whom I share a common
ancestor (thanks to this forum), my area of research and family is not
shared by the more active members of this group. So, my apologies for not
taking part in discussions, etc. Add to this the fact that our computer is
on again and off again quite often, so I tend to get way behind in what is
being discussed in this forum. I have also taken on some new
responsibilities over the past several months that have severely curtailed
my research all around. So.... I am very lucky to have the time that I do
have to go through a little bit of a microfilm, check out Family Search, or
to send a message to this group now and then: Just to let you know I'm still
here, still doing my research and wish you all the best of luck in your
searching!
By the way, I just discovered the Aguascalientes church records on the
family search pilot website. I was going to order a microfilm that I
learned was on this site, so I saved 5.95 when I found the exact record I
was looking for, which cost me only 10 cents to simply print it out! How
easy can that be? And, Sergio, whom I work with on our shared family
history, emailed me the document from that site, so I didn't even have to
put it on my flashdrive or figure out how to send it to him! Isn't that
great?
Well, thank-you and I hope you are all doing well in your research and in
all areas of your lives!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California
Hola compañeros y amigos, me encuentro con un problema al investigar a José Domínguez y María Josefa Cornejo que debieron casar aprox. en 1776 en San Miguel el Alto o Jalostotitlán, pero no encuentro datos mas atrás sobre ellos.
A veces aparecen sus hijos y descendientes como Domínguez y en ocasiones como de la Torre. También es curioso, porque a veces aparecen como mestizos y otras como español.
Yo desciendo de un hijo de ésta pareja, de nombre José Rafael Tiburcio de Guadalupe Domínguez Cornejo, que casó con Felipa de Jesús Rodríguez Orozco en 1812 en Tepatitlán. Ella es descendiente de la familia Rodríguez de Híjar.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Alguien tiene información de Ana María Castellanos, mujer de Anastasio Arias Maldonado, que debió nacer aprox. en 1720 en Tepatitlán u Ocotlán. Ellos tuvieron una hijo llamado Antonio Matías Arias Maldonado que casó con María Lugarda Gutiérrez Galindo.
También quiero saber si tienen datos de Antonia Castellanos, mujer de Manuel Aceves. Ella debió nacer aprox. en 1725 en Ocotlán o Tepatitlán. Padres de José Lázaro Aceves Castellanos quien casó en Tepatitlán con María Margarita Petronila Arias Maldonado.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hello Group,
Does anyone know of any books with marriage/baptismal records for Jalisco, 1850/1900
If you do please let me know. I would appreciate any information.
Thank You,
Del
Daniel, how can I access the scans of Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara? Thank you, Raymond Medrano
I am looking for any info on these names: Martinez, Aguilar, Macias and D'avila from the 1800 + The areas are Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, and Aguascaliente.
Thank you.
Estoy buscando cual quer informacion sobre estos nombres: Martinez, Aguilar, Macias y D'avila de 1800+.
Las zonas son Ojuelos, Jalisco, Pinos, Zacatecas, y Aguascaliente.
Gracias.
I recently advanced my research considerably by going to the Salt Lake City
Library. I added Juan Delgado m. 4 Mar 1669 to Margarita Lopez de Lizardi
at the Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes to my database.
Unfortunately, the marriage record does not name the parents of either the
bride or the groom. I searched for the Informacion Matrimonial for this
couple, but it is missing. I've gone through the images on
pilot.familysearch twice (I know the records are out of order) and I could
not find it. Does anyone have any info on this couple? I found all the
baptismal records for 12 of their children and noticed that the padrinos
were often from the Ruiz Esparza, Tiscareño, Gabai, and Romo de Vivar
families. I am wondering how they may be connected to these families.
Another question I have is the Lopez de Lizardi surname sounds like it may
be the same as Lopez de Elizalde. Does anyone know if this is the same
surname? Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide.
Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA
I found a mistake in my tree and I was hoping that someone could correct it.
Juan Yanez del Monte and Lorenzo Yanez del Monte are half brothers because they have the same father but different mothers. This is very clearly stated that they had different mothers. My problem is that I do not know which of the two is the son of Geronima Benavides. I have both of them listed. which one should not be there?
I know how I originally made the mistake. A dispensa that I originally used called them brothers but did not specify that they had different mothers.
Hello Everyone............especially my new found primos :)
I have been looking like crazy for "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia" por Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal and "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y los Altos de Jalisco" por Professor Martha Duron Jimenez.
Are they not in print anymore?
Thank you for any help in advance!
Sofia
Alguien tiene información de Juan de León y Bernardina de Ornelas y Mendoza, padres de mi ancestro Felipe de León, quienes debieron nacer en Lagos de Moreno o Teocaltiche. Solo encuentro una hija suya aparte de mi ancestro Felipe en Teocaltiche bautizada en 1712.
Felipe casó en Tepatitlán con María de San Juan Ledezma el 23 de mayo de 1731.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Ricci
Is this Villalpando family related to Thomas de Villalpando who married (1)
Maria de Vargas, 1677 and (2) Maria de Jaen (de Sotelo), 1690, in
Aguascalientes?
George Fulton
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I cannot answer for that claim of Alonso Perestorello since I have questioned it from the beginning. They seemed to get started on that route with the mistake that it is two last names written as Peres Torello. It may have orginated that way many years before but I doubt it. The Perstorello family name was originally Pallestrelli in Genoa.
The perestorello family were like the mendozas in that they intermarried over and over again among cousins. In this case it was the perestorello rodriguez and ferriera families intermarrying repeatedly.
You see this among my side of the gutierrez family. My greatgrandfather Emeterio Romo Gutierrez's parents were 2nd cousins and 3rd cousins. The gutierrez romo jimenez gonzalez family of that part of jalos intermarried repeatedly. That is why you see those names repeatedly inSanto toribio's family. Kind of like the martin and barba family, and more recently the alvarez and casillas families.
It continued with my tio Lupe Romo who married maria luisa Romo, the sister of Jorge romo barba the author of a recent history and genealogy book of the Valle de Gpe. . Lupe and Maria Luisa (Guicha) are 2nd cousins. Their children are romo romo or as I call them romo quadrado. romo squared. i thought i would add that since today is square root day, 3/3/09 and I am a math teacher. I really did call them that as a teenager and they took it as an offense though it was said in jest. the comment still comes up in family gatherings.
I remember that I heard as a kid that someone was getting married and an aunt from the valle de Gpe. responded " how dare she marry that man, he is not even family" of course she said this in spanish.
The perestorello family had a jewish background and they tended to marry among those with the same background or at least those that were more tolerant of interculture marriage. This tolerance usually came because you knew that somewhere in your own recent history there is a interculture marriage.
The intolerance of intercultural marriage seems to build up the farther away it is in a persons history or ancestry.
as to the mendoza family chart there is an extensive one, though not anywhere complete (many missing daughters that I have had to add) in that SHARR journal where I originally found this information.
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I've heard of La Gutierrada, and wonder if it's the same one that was
held about 4 years ago in Jalos? I knew of a couple that attended. The
husband is also a descendant of Jose Sotero & Ma de Jesus Romo--they are
his 2nd G Grandparents, but I recall that it was held in Jalos that
time. Does the locale change? Since you say it's the 2nd, then their's
must have been a smaller Gtz reunion, but they referred to it in the
same manner. My dad's Gonzalada also has a reunion in Ags. during the
Summer months.
Ricci, you must also be a relative of mine, however more distant than
you are to Miggy? Jose Sotero was brother to my G Grandmother, Tomasa
Gtz. Santo Toribio, was my father's 3rd cousin--distant too.
Irma Gomez Gtz
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:23:21 -0800
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
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Last year , the same day August 2, 2008 in Guadalajara there was the
first reunion known as the Gutierrada. The families of the Jose Sotero
Gutierrez and Maria de Jesus Romo from el Rancho de la Escondida near
Jalostotitlan had a successful reunion. By coincidence I believe they
are planning their second reunion this year also the same day August 2,
2009 .
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Hi everyone,
I hadn't checked the Roots TV site in a while, and noticed that they had added some new videos. Maybe they will be informative for some of you. This is the link:
http://www.rootstelevision.com/program_guide.php
type in - Hispanic genealogy in the SEARCH box
The 4 videos are: 1) Buscando Ancestors Mexicanos in el internet; 2) Hispanic Research Series at the FHL; 3) Mexico: Genealogical Research (George & Peggy Ryskamp); 4) Spanish Parish Records
Natalie
Hello everybody,
I am looking for the parents of Alvaro Carrilo from Teocaltiche , Jalisco he married Maria Alvarez de Sandi , daughter of Capitan Lorenzo Alvarez and Agustina de Viera ( velados ) March 4, 1585 in Lagos de Moreno , Jalisco .
Any and all info will be greatly appreciated .
Welester G. Alvarado and Arq. Jose Francisco Garza Carrillo
Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.
Jaime
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From: "Richard Ricci"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:37:51 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
Thank you for the information about Mr. Mariano´s Book. Wish the best for him and a good recovering since the surgery.
Steve y Francisco:
Les mandio un caluroso saludo desde Vallarta y les comento lo siguiente.... En estos dias he estado revisando todas las paginas del Censo de Poblacion de Mexico de 1930, especificamente de Santa Catarina, y me encontre ahi unos Sevilla y unos Apodaca. Fue inevitable recordarlos a ustedes claro, y además, vi unos de apellido MORGUITA. No recuerdo quien de los dos estaba buscando a esta familia (creo que Francisco si mal no recuerdo) y segun yo guarde las paginas para mandarselas a ustedes. pero cuando cerre el programa trate de ver los archivos que guarde con esa informacion y resulto que no son compatibles. Tengo que buscar la manera de poderselos mandar y que los vean si estan interesados. Solo necesito saber si les interesa tenerlos o si ya los vieron o ya los tienen.
Ahi mismo, en el censo, estuve sacando MUCHOS de mis antepasados por los Toscano principalemente. Ya termine de revisar los documentos de Santa Catarina y voy a comenzar en estos dias a ver los de Zacoalco (son 208 paginas) de los cuales sacaré miles de datos lo mas seguro. Si necesitan o les puedo ayudar en algo solo diganmelo por favor.
Estamos en contacto, por favor no se pierdan y escriban pronto.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!
Hola todos (as)
Busco archivos parroquiales o registros civiles de Mexticacan Jal. de 1925 a 1935 alguien tiene o sabe donde encontrarlos, estoy en Monterrey y no tengo viaje a mexticacan hasta diciembre, gracias de antemano.
Saludos cordiales
Antonio Santillan
santillan59@hotmail.com
Good Evening Group: Could someone please explain the 19th Century or "modern" criteria as to how one acquired, maintained, or lost the "Don" and/or "Dona" prefix? Thanks so much, Alice BB
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family skeletons
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:49 -0800
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Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 12:53 PM
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That same sort of stuff is on the Sagrada Mitra book because it's in
the official record, so no big deal in those cases. In those days,
lots of people couldn't read so they didn't have the privelege of
trumpeting all the juicy gossip everywhere. We call one person in
this area around here "Channel 5" because like the tv station, she's
the first in "Breaking News." And I think it would be a great idea to
write the documented stories on NR, if Josef permits. Marge:)
On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Daniel M?ndez del Camino wrote:
Mariano is still working on the next 7 volumes....about 1000 pages per book according to historian Nicolas Anda de Sanchez. Mariano had surgery a few weeks ago and is aiming for a book release around May or June of this year. My cousin is good friends with Nicolas, and Nicolas had spoken with Mariano.
I'll keep you posted as we are all very anxious about the new books.
Rose Hardy
Fresno, CA
Alguien en el grupo sabe si ya salió la última publicación del libro del Sr. Mariano Gonzalez Leal Vol. III ? O si hay alguna fecha para tal venta?
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Does anyone in the group know if there is a publication of the Mariano´s Leal book Vol. III or if there is a date for the sale?
Gracias por cualquier informacion/ Thanks for any info.
Alessandro Vitela
Can the terms "viuda" (widow) and "soltera" (spinster, or single woman) be used interchanged? That is, could "soltera" describe a women who is actually a widow?
I have a 1739 death record from Aguascalientes for Josepha Rodrigues where "soltera" is used. Her parents are named, but there is no other information. I also have what may be her husband's (Salvador Ponse) death record from 1738, where it states that he is married to Josepha Rodrigues.
George Fulton
Perdoneme Rodolfo pero la etimologia de Don , NO es de las siglas De Origen Noble. De acuerdo al Diccionario de la Real Academia Española, viene de el Latin dominus (proprietario o señor). De acuerdo con la Enciclopedia Britanica, en la epoca romana se utilizaba dominus para el dueño de propriedad y esclavos. Fue de echo el emperador Diocleciano (284 to 305 DC) el primero en utilizarlo y sus sucesores fueron conocidos como dominate ( dominatus ).
Ahora, estoy de acuerdo que su uso original era reservado para el trato de aquellas personas de noble origen, independientemente del titulo nobilario que ostentaban. Tambien estoy de acuerdo que el uso actual en ciertos contextos aun es reservado para referir a personas de abolengo, independientemente de su abuso. De echo en Argentina se usa como equivalente de fulano.
Respetuosamente
Jaime Alvarado
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From: "Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:16:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Don y Doña
Perdón pero estan en un error.
Don y Doña son el trato que reciben aún hoy en día las personas de abolengo sin importar la edad, lo mismo un niño recién nacido que una anciana de 100 años.
El trato de Don y Doña sólo se les dá a personas que pertenecen a la realeza, la alta, media y ba´ja nobleza y a sus descendientes hasta en la tercera generación, a personas que pertenecen a órdenes militares o on cargos en el gobierno real y que el Rey les otorga un escudo de armas.
Esto pasó en el virreinato y aún en el siglo XIX en México y casi toda Latinoamérica.
Los indios nobles también recibian el trato de Don y tenian pribilegios de español como el uso de caballos, casa a la española, uso de armas, caminar por las banquetas, uso de carruajes, etc.
El uso de don y doña se extendió como una manera de respeto o trato especial, de tal modo que hoy en día en México cualquier pelado es Don o Doñita.
Don es la abreviación de 3 palabras. Significa: De Origen Noble. DON.
Para poder usar ese título era necesario ser de origen noble y contar con blasónes o escudo de armas.