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Hello or Holla to everyone,
My name is Hope Carmona Wilson and I am looking for information on my 
gg parents from Mexico. Like so many of us who are American by birth 
and who are searching for history of our past family memebers from 
Mexico,it seems to be like looking for a needle in a hay stack.I am 
very happy to have found you all.The information I am researching is 
for my maternal ggg mother.
Her name was Anselma Rodriguez, born 1860 in Nochitzlan, Zacatecas, 
Mexico.She died and was buried in Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico date?? She 
married Epifanio Ramirez,born 1850(about)His parents were Rogelio 
Ramirez & Estanisla Duran. No other information known. Via FamilyTree 
DNA testing I learned I belong to the HVR1 B GROUP. This is a native 
american group which makes sence since back then, there was no United 
States.
As I learn more information I will be happy to help others in thier 
search.
Again, I am very happy to be part of this group.
Hope aka Esperanza

Mary:

About getting around in Mexico... as someone noted earlier, the bus 
system is very good in Mexico.. nothing like Greyhound.  There are 
luxury buses that are almost always on schedule and do non-stop 
trajectories between major cities.  You should be able to get from 
Mexico City to Guanajuato without any problems on such a bus.  I have 
rented cars before and driven and believe me I enjoyed the buses much 
more.

As far as maps, the Secretaria de Communicaciones y Transporte has 
very detailed up-to-date road maps of every state in Mexico:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

You can also order a Guia Roji, which is the premiere road atlas of 
Mexico and is updated annually as well.

http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/store/strProductDetail.jsp?
prod_id=9706214186

The SCT map can be searched in Adobe Reader.  From what I can tell, 
there are a number of San Felipes in Guanajuato.  The largest city by 
the name is at the intersection of Highways 51 and 37 in the northern 
part

Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group A
16111T  16223T  16290T  16319A 16335G  16362C 16526A

Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing?  

Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
 wrote:
>
> Linda and Josie,
> 
> These are my HVR1 numbers: HVR1 Haplogroup A
> 16075C, 16111T, 16223T, 16239T, 16290T, 16319A, 16362C
>  
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my 
research  
> > I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
> > Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line 
goes 
> > from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's 
female 
> > line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my 
line 
> > help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of 
names.  
> > In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula 
Jalisco 
>

Mary,
Have you had a chance to search the message archives here. There was a
discussion of the collection of oral histories last spring. Enter oral
history in the search box to bring up those messages.
Also, check the "Ancestry.com" site >go to Learning Center >type in
oral history - to bring up a multitude of references regarding
collecting oral histories. There is more to read than you probably have
time for, but maybe they will provide some additional ideas. Maybe
those that you interview can tell you about what the community was like
years ago.
Good luck on your trip.

Natalie Coleman in VA

Mary,
Have you had a chance to search the message archives here. There was a 
discussion of the collection of oral histories last spring. Enter oral 
history in the search box to bring up those messages.
Also, check the "Ancestry.com" site >go to Learning Center >type in 
oral history - to bring up a multitude of references regarding 
collecting oral histories. There is more to read than you probably have 
time for, but maybe they will provide some additional ideas. Maybe 
those that you interview can tell you about what the community was like 
years ago.
Good luck on your trip.

Natalie Coleman in VA

Linda and Josie,

These are my HVR1 numbers: HVR1 Haplogroup A
16075C, 16111T, 16223T, 16239T, 16290T, 16319A, 16362C
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my research  
> I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
> Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line goes 
> from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's female 
> line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my line 
> help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of names.  
> In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula Jalisco 
> back to Chilchota Michoacan from about 1680 to 1780.. I picked up 
> almost 1,500 names from that dream!  I will never question what I 
> don't undertand again!
> Linda in Everett
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mary!    What you describe as "a strange

Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my research  
I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line goes 
from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's female 
line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my line 
help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of names.  
In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula Jalisco 
back to Chilchota Michoacan from about 1680 to 1780.. I picked up 
almost 1,500 names from that dream!  I will never question what I 
don't undertand again!
Linda in Everett
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
wrote:
>
> Hi Mary!    What you describe as "a strange feeling" is a good 
thing!!!  It
> happens to me all the time and the first time (a few years ago) I 
did not
> understand what was happening!  I now feel that it is the 
ancestors way of
> telling us that they are helping us!  I also

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" wrote:
>
> In case anyone was wondering what the gadgets that Emilie is talking
> about look like and cost... I am a big technology junkie but the film
> scanner is way beyond my means.
>
> http://www.heritagecreations.com/products/st100.php
>

Why, Arturo, the ST100 Microfil Scanner is ONLY $1995.00? 

In case anyone was wondering what the gadgets that Emilie is talking 
about look like and cost... I am a big technology junkie but the film 
scanner is way beyond my means.

http://www.heritagecreations.com/products/st100.php

http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=119781

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Mary, I don't know how much you know about all the new-fangled 
technical gadgets besides audio recorders and digital cameras that 
are available to serve our genealogy purposes, but if you could, 
maybe you could get some and take them with you.  You might be able 
to access some computers in certain towns at internet cafes too if 
you can't take a laptop along.  The people at the genealogy society 
here and at the local FHC have some amazing things.  One lady showed 
me a gadget she uses to scan books.  Honest, it was no bigger than a 
ruler and she would start at the top of the page and move it down, 
then she showed me on the

I am going to make a folder in Ranchos2 called "Members Hobbies and
Careers." This will be a place where members can upload any information
they would like other members to know about in relation to their hobbies
and careers. Information can be placed there about anything someone has
forsale or offers to other members. I will control this if it gets out
of hand but for the time being will allow members to freely upload their
information and let the "new files uploaded" messages go out to the
group one by one. Later like I said if it gets to be much I'll package
the messages and send them out once a month. Some of these hobbies are
definitely genealogy related. I'll be involved in this as well but am
not ready to get involved yet.

joseph

Mary,

I'd say that traveling by bus is OK, as bus drivers know the roads
very well.  Of course this isn't a surprise visit, right?  It might be
worth buying one of those cheap cellular phones to keep in touch with
your contacts. 

San Felipe is located in the northern part of Guanajuato.  To get an
overview of Guanajuato click on the following link.
http://www.guanajuato.gob.mx/turismo/frames/nuestroedo_2.html

For a detailed map of Guanajuato and preferably if you have a
braodband connection there's an excellent map in the next link:
http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/geografia/espanol/estados/gto/gto.pdf?c=459&e=11&CFID=966958&CFTOKEN=59264336

Hope this helps.  Enjoy!

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
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> Thank you to both Josie and Victor:
> I thought about that.  I hope that someone from those I meet in
Mexico City will offer to go with me to Guanajuato.  I have travelled
alone extensively, but now I think prudence is the best

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
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>    Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Can someone tell me where these two ranchos are located?

Can someone tell me anything about them?

I understand that families of Apache descendancy settled here  from
the US.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Elvira

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
>     Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Mary Allen 
>  
>  Guanajuato.  I found  photos and a lot more information.
> 
> Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you 
> travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a 
> bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried 
> mine with me.