Villarreal surname in the Archivo General de la Nacion

Esperanza,

Thanks for your feedback in this matter.  Instead of discarding or
admitting any and all possibilities of those Villarreales in the AGN
documents below from being related to me, let me briefly describe what
is the current status of my research.

The first thing to clarify is an erroneous entry in Danny's page
regarding Diego de Villarreal's place of origin.  It should say
Allende El Grande, Guanajuato, instead of Allende El Grande, Oaxaca. 
That alone, assuming there's a document (yet to be found) to base that
affirmation, changes the whole perspective of the documents you quote.

As to the several Francisco de Villarreales (actually just two) that
could be related to Diego, one of them appears in old records (1570s -
1580s) from Saltillo, Coahuila, accompaning the colonizer Francisco de
Urdiñola.  The other Francisco de Villarreal is quoted in the record
#314079 below.  He was a "contador del Tribunal de Cuentas de la
ciudad de Mexico" in the early 1600s who had to do with

Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

Hello Again:



I hope to go to Tlaltenango next year.....some of my ancestors are from the area.  I was in Calvillo, Aguas. last year and was able to get info from the old books.....Valle de Huejacar, as it was called then....the books were old and falling apart;  they gave me an new copy; I had gotten a copy from the microfilm FHC....



Mickey

Archivo General de la Nacion

Hi Victor,
 
I wish you were my mentor in a physical sense - I could watch you,
then you can watch me go....My Spanish isn't as good as yours, and I don't know
what to do with this information - but perhaps you do?  Since you told me
in absolute terms that Diego de Villarreal came with Zavala from Zacatecas, I
decided to do another research, and here is what I came up with ----perhaps
there is a connection here?  I also included something I found regarding a
Villarreal in Oaxaca (the area that Danny claims the Villarreales settled in)
and several Francisco Villarreales.  Let me know if any of this information
turns out to be fruitful. 
 
This was fun, Now I am going to search on the Herrera's.....a line I have
from Tlaltenango....
 
 

Clave de Registro 267384
No. Grupo 100
Grupo Documental Reales Cédulas
Fecha DICIEMBRE 30 DE 1658
Volumen 6
Expediente 42
Fojas 2
Descripción

New File

Hi:

Just to let members know that I have just uploaded a file to Ranchos2 
AAA Genealogies. The file covers GONZALES from JALOSTOTITLAN, JALISCO.





Border Crossing Question

You can buy film from NARA and you can also have whatever the FHL has
available sent to your FHC. . .you might want to call the FHL in Salt
Lake and ask them how to find out what Border Crossing records they
have. Maybe you could do a report for the group and give us a
comprehensive list of the BC records they own that can be borrowed at
our local FHC's.



joseph


Title

Manifests of alien arrivals at Yseleta, Texas, 1924-1954 (M1849)

Stmnt.Resp.

compiled by Claire Prechtel-Kluskens

Authors

United States. Immigration and Naturalization Service (Main Author)

Prechtel-Kluskens, Claire (Added Author)

Notes

Microfilm
of original records at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. The
original records were destroyed after microfilming.

Introduction by Claire Prechtel-Kluskens.

Some records may be hard to read. This is the best copy available.

May
include name, age, sex, place of birth, last permanent address,
destination, name and complete address of family or friend there,
occupation

researching film at FHC

Hello,

When I do research, i do my research in two parts. First, I search the
IGI using batch numbers, marriage searches, parent searches, etc.  In
order to Identify, who I will be looking for on the films.  Then I
enter all the information that I have found that identifies the film,
 such as town, film numbers, record type, time period,  Batch number,
and if the film is in the FHL or in the vault.  Then I enter all the
dates and names that I want from the film. 

Here is a example: (**** Attn: Linda Romero **** this is what I
recommend for you, to research)

Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
0038332	Bautismos	1820-1824		C603166	FHL
	15 Feb 1823	Maria Faustina Torre Padilla

1107895	Bautismos	1826-1831		C602542	FHL
	14 Aug 1827	Ma. Atanazia Torres

Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
0218447	Bautismos	1810-1816		C603699	FHL
	04 Dec 1814	Jose Saturnino Torre Padilla

0218448	Bautismos	1816-1821		C603701	FHL
	17 Apr 1819	Jose Franco. Torre Padilla
	21 Mar 1821	Maria Matilde Torre Padilla

Archivo General de la Nacion

Esperanza,

When I first got interested in genealogy and stumbled across Danny
Villarreal's web site, I remember reading that most of the people with
the Villarreal surname had the same roots.  I really found that a
little hard to believe at that time.  Now that we have been digging up
information in old books and ancient manuscripts, etc. we've come up
with many more individuals from the XVI-XVII centuries with the same
surname, which indicates the existance of several lineages, as it is
reflected in the widespread presence of Villarreales all over Mexico.

As to the origin of our oldest (documented) ancestor for the northeast
Mexico Villarreals, it is recorded that Diego de Villarreal entered
the state of Nuevo León, from Zacatecas, with then governor Martín de
Zavala, in 1626.  In spite of some information to the contrary
available on the internet, I don't know of any documented primary
source that records Diego de Villarreal parents and/or his family
origins.  We have several leads

DIGEST

Joseph,

The only drawback, to the Digest mode.  Is that, if someone uploads a
attachment, such as the message that Michael sent the other. 

You will not get the attachments, if you receive the digest mode.  

Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to 
> remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an
option 
> and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest
is to 
> much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on
the WWW.
> 
> if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change 
> it for you.
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group 
> coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per 
> day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or 
> 'digest.'
>





Report: Hispanic Conference in Salt Lake

Hello  All,

 

I just got back, from the Conference, that
was held in Salt Lake City,
today at the Family History Library.

 

The only material, that they gave out was a
CD called “Latin American Resource” disc.  It is the same disc that
they have given out for the past two conferences.  Though, they are going to
be, redoing the disc later on this year.  For, those of you who want a copy, I
can burn a copy of the disc, and send it to you.  Also, for those who requested
a copy, of my Resource disc, there is a copy of the “Latin American”
Disc on it.  Also, they did not give out, any syllabuses.  Some classes had
handouts, but the majority didn’t.

 

There is a new Mexico research outline, out.  Some of
you have seen the new colored research outline.  The first, for Mexico barely
arrived, yesterday.  They weren’t releasing them, to the public today.

 

Another thing that I learned today.  Is
that if you have a parish marriage record, that does not state the parents, of
the

NARA Border Crossing Records

Natalie,  thank you for the information.  I guess I will just
have to wait until someone can actually see those records prior to their being
transcribed or filmed, if they can find a place that will allow them to view
them.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:11
AM
Subject: [ranchos] NARA Border Crossing
Records

Emilie,
My understanding is that NARA has not yet
finished the filming of all
the border crossing records (@Mexican border).
They started with the
smaller points of entry, leaving El Paso, TX for
last. I think they
hope to have filming completed by the end of
2006.
Have you seen the following site (explains the NARA
plan)?:
www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
NOTE:
border crossing records were created/kept 1903-1950; the first
format of
the records were based on records for ship manifests (records
for

Researching a place

Natalie, that is a good idea about a form to note info.  I have just
been using thin ruled binder paper and at the top (by hand) I enter the film
number, name of the church, the locale, and community where the birth or
marriage took place and what type records are included in the
film (e.g. Baptisms 1831-1842).  I then have room for 5 entries on
each page.  I have filled out thousands of pages this way through the
years.  A typical entry looks like this:
 
        4/12/1839 - Maria Epifania
Roman  (b.4/6/1839)
         parents:  Juan
Roman/Ma. Antonia Flores
         pat. g.p. - Xavier
Roman/Yldefonsa Tinajero
         mat. g. p. - Jose Ma.
Flores/Ma. Guadalupe Soriano
         pnos -  Francisco
Zalasar/Maria Alejandra de Orosco
 
I sure get tired writing "parents, pat g. p, mat g.p. and pnos" for each
entry although with abbreviations it doesn't take me that much more time, but it
does add to the writer's cramp.  I envy the Director at my FHC who has made
a form on

PAF 4 instructions

I did, thank you and Angie.

                                       Leticia Leon

                              



Joseph Puentes escribió:


Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?

PAF 4.0 English Instructions

For an Ancestor Report
1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for
report.
2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...'
option.
3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books
tab.  The starting person will be the ancestor that
was selected from step 1.
4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio
button.
5. Choose the desired options or leave the default
options.
6. Select the 'Print to File' check box.
7. Select the Print button.

Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line
ancestor and then select the Modified register
(Descendancy) radio button

PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español

Para un
Informe Antepasado

1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el
In

Help With Questions

Oh, Arturo, bless you!  I will really appreciate your help.  I
will send the full info to you at your e-mail address when I get it
together.  Thanks again,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:12
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Help With
Questions

Emilie:

I live just a few blocks from NARA's main
building here in Washington
DC.  If you give me your father's full
information I can try and look
him up when I am down there next.  I
still have not found my
grandfather's border crossing records either and
the people at NARA
are not very helpful... the records and films are not
very easily
useable and the films are horrible quality as well.  It
really makes
me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems,
etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"

wrote:
>
> To Michael
Gonsalez:
>
> Thanks for the

Archivo General de la Nacion

face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>

Hi Victor,

 

I remembered our email conversation awhile ago regarding Danny Villarreal's
web site.  I bet you already have this information, but I found this in the
archivo general de la nacion - it appears that this family was firmly in place
before the other Villarreales ventured out to Nuevo Leon. Did you ever
mention from what part of Mexico your Villarreal side is from?

 

Esperanza

 

 


























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MAYOR, DE ANTONIO DE
VILLARREAL.
size=2>313664

color=#000066 size=1>No. Grupo

color=#000066 size=1>100

color=#000066 size=1>Grupo Documental
size=1>Reales Cédulas

color=#000066 size=1>Fecha
size=1>NOVIEMBRE 12 DE 1550

color=#000066 size=1>Volumen
size=1>1

color=#000066 size=1>Expediente
size=1>31 BIS

color=#000066 size=1>Fojas
size=1>48

color=#000066 size=1>Descripción

DIGEST


the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to
remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an option
and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest is to
much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on the WWW.


if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change
it for you.


joseph

ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group
coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per
day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or
'digest.'






Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Hello, Carol:
I have plans to give them  photos of our immediate family and a couple of photos that would interest them, especially  of their great grandfather and an aunt.  I suppose I want to begin by setting them at ease....and calming myself because when I get excited or nervous, I forget my Spanish or it comes out badly.  I know, just take a deep breath.    
 
Joseph Puente has reminded me about taking a tape recorder and plenty of batteries and of course I have to take my camera.  I'll share my good news with the Rancho family.  Thanks for telling me about the Kinko idea.  Yes, I am going to a small city, so we'll see.  
 
We are such a small family; I am actively shopping for "cousins" because I believe that the little ones in our family should have a much larger family.  Plus, I am afraid they will lose touch with our heritage.  They don't have to be flag wavers, just know enough to have carino and appreciation for their roots.   Again, thanks.   Mary
 
PS  I do plan to have a

Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Mary:

I'm also a collector of photos and have "classics" in
my colletion.  You may come across some "classic
photos" they may not want to part with.  Here is a
suggestion.  I don't know if there are local kinko
stores, probably have to drive to the larger towns but
make a copies for yourself.  I had one family from
CA., send me pictures and I scanned them in my
computer, made copies, then sent the originals back. 
Also it's nice to give them a photo of yourself and
family (sharing) makes the difference.  I have reached
out to so many cousins and as a matter fact just
received a photo yesterday from my prima in Los
Angeles.  

Have a safe trip and I think it's wonderful you are
visiting your relatives.  

Carol
--- Mary Allen  wrote:

> Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am
> flying to Guanajuato.  I found another "cousin", 72
> years old, who promises photos and a lot more
> information.  I can hardly stand the wait.  I am
> trying to get everything caught

Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am flying to Guanajuato.  I found another "cousin", 72 years old, who promises photos and a lot more information.  I can hardly stand the wait.  I am trying to get everything caught up in the office so that I can take off a week or so.  Will report when I return.   Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:



Mary Allen wrote:

I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to you speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something to say.

You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many older relatives have passed in the short 3 years that I've been on this genealogy trail. If I had the motivation that you have I would also have been on a jet plane travelling to see these relatives before passed. Oral history is king in my opinion. Keep asking away. But I see your situation and as the elder person in your family (not to many opportunities to ask for the

Answer to Mary Garana Allen





Mary Allen wrote:

I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with
relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to
you speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something
to say.

You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many older relatives have
passed in the short 3 years that I've been on this genealogy trail. If
I had the motivation that you have I would also have been on a jet
plane travelling to see these relatives before passed. Oral history is
king in my opinion. Keep asking away. But I see your situation and as
the elder person in your family (not to many opportunities to ask for
the oral history. . .yes thats why finding other branches is of key
importance). its great that you are "educating" yourself in "family" to
have some oral history/written history to pass on to the younger ones
that will one day be interested. Thank you and please do continue to
encourage us with your example.



And that brings me to another

Answers to Peggy Delgado





Peggy Delgado wrote:

Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
 
I have a really silly question.  Do you
members have the actual microfilms that you refer to in this message?
How is it that you can get them for such a
long period of time.  When I go to the FHC, I only get them for a
couple of weeks.  They come in from SLC, I look through them at the
center using their equipment, request copies of certain documents, then
they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?

I work as a volunteer at my FHC so what you do is pay $3.25 (plus a .25
notification fee that varies from FHC to FHC) for the first rental
which should be a minimum of 30 days and then you can renew again if
you need more time for another $3.25 and I am not sure about this but
thought that renewal was for 60 days more, but might only be for 30
days. . .and then if that film is truely a goldmine you can renew the
3rd time (another $3.25 for a grand total of $10) and it should become
an indefinite film (well at

Franciscan Covenant Records: was-Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

thanks Arturo for this information. It will be very interesting what
youfind out when you make your trip to these areas later. thanks again
for your work for the Ranchos group.



joseph



Arturo Ramos wrote:

Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the 
actual parish records of the San Luis parish.

However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives 
that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal 
records from the mid and late 1600s.  They may go back further than 
that.

I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very 
pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for 
indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical 
communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec 
section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc.

I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the 
modern times. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
  

Archivo General de la Nacion

Joseph,

I have already sent him an email telling him about Rosalinda's
interest in some documents from the Archivo General de la Nación.  I
will ask him next time if it is OK to have his contact information in
one of the private sections of the group.

Regarding your other question about service rates, he explained that
he usually finds out what type of document is requested before quoting
a price.  As you can understand it is not the same transcribing a XVI
century manuscript than a XVII century.  Other thing to consider is
the document's lenght.  All this applies where you know the exact
reference to the document you want, that is, the index numbers from
the AGN search engine.  If someone has just a vague idea about a
person, place or event and wants to find what information is available
that is whole different project.

And finally, in regard to Marge's question, I sent my payment by
"Dinero Express" of Banco Azteca, a service like Western Union. 
Although it is possible that there

Archivo General de la Nacion

How did you send his payment? Marge:)



On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:24 PM, v.h.villarreal wrote:


Rosalinda,



If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met

a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City

and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.



I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of

documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his

paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image

of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".



Victor



-----------------------------------------------



Hi all--



Here's the main page for the Archivo:



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in



I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search  pages.



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic



If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search

name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo

Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is

NARA Border Crossing Records

Emilie,
My understanding is that NARA has not yet finished the filming of all 
the border crossing records (@Mexican border). They started with the 
smaller points of entry, leaving El Paso, TX for last. I think they 
hope to have filming completed by the end of 2006.
Have you seen the following site (explains the NARA plan)?:
www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
NOTE: border crossing records were created/kept 1903-1950; the first 
format of the records were based on records for ship manifests (records 
for 1903-1910)- this proved inefficient for folks entering on foot, and 
the format was revised and revised again over the years. I hope this 
information helps a bit. I, too, am waiting to see those El Paso 
records; my father crossed the border (age 4 yrs) at El Paso in 1916.

Have a good day - take care.

Natalie in VA