TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

Santos,

Just one more thing:  I had heard about "Gato por Liebre" but I never
heard about "Gato por Oso" hehe!

Which reminds me, Mr. Greenspan is a business man not a scientist!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal" 
wrote:
> I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias,
Santos.
> 
> You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
> attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
> genetic genealogy.  
> 
> Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
> then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
> hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
> question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:
> 
> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> > I was very excited when I read about the DNA

I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias, Santos.

You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
genetic genealogy.  

Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf

Best Regards,

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> I was very excited when I read about the DNA Project, and offered to
pay for the testing, using my brother's DNA. My brother has done some
research on his own, and has not been given any conclusive answers. 
>  
> In the scenario below...
>  
> 1. Who's DNA did they use to prove a connection to "Cohanim"?
> 
> 2. Where did they get the DNA for Moses

There's a company that does the DNA tests for free but the results
take a lot of time to be posted on their site, about a year.

The name is Sorensons Molecular Genealogy Foundation:
http://smgf.org/

Or maybe you and other interested relatives can pitch in for a test of
one of your boy cousins?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and 
> forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get 
> the DNA results.  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Members and cousins:
> >  It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> >  results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> >  since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> >  also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> >  Portugal.
> >
> >  Any comments?
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >
> >  --- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:
> >
> >  > If we can only go

Emilie,

As always, it is evident that you're doing your homework and usually
marching one step ahead of the rest of us.

Like yourself, I have been most intrigued by all those stories that
you mentioned about the early Spanish colonizers, particularly more so
when I realised that the Y haplogroup to which I belong to is not the
typical Western European haplogroup but one that is, as I previously
said, very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, including
North Africa, the Middle East, the Balcans and, of course, the Iberian
Peninsula.

As I understand many of our group here have not studied this topic in
detail, I felt compelled to point out a couple of facts that I believe
could be helpful to all:

Ethnicity is not determined alone by your DNA haplogroup.  In other
words, having "X" haplogroup does not automatically place you in any
ethnic group, regardless of all those ancient stories.  If your
genealogical and historical research shows documented ancestral
evidence of certain

Alberto,

You are very much correct.  According to Gary Felix's Genealogy of
Mexico DNA Surname Project, the current breakdown of all persons
tested is the following:

Native American 17%
Nordic 8%
Semitic 20%
Western European 46%
Other 8%

Of course this is not an accurate reflection of Mexican Hispanics'
ethnic composition, because this is not a scientifically sampled
population, but it gives an approximation or estimate of what it truly is.

Victor

The link to the Genealogy of Mexico DNA Project is:
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> Members and cousins:
> It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> Portugal.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Alberto.
> 

Margarita,

The limitation about only being able to test the female line does not
depend on the site doing the testing, but is something inherent to the
way men and women are genetically different.

However, you can determine your genetic lineage by testing anyone in
the direct lineage of your father, that is, your father himself or an
uncle, a brother of yours, a son of your uncle, even a grandson of
your father.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll have to go through 
> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her mother was from 
> Ireland.:(  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> 
> > I would love to see how others did thier dna tests. I feel cheated as
> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna (female)line. I ordered mine
> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered his from another even
> >  though it's the same lab.. he does not

Hello Linda,

If you already ordered and sent your samples through Gary Felix's
site, that means that the company doing your testing is Family Tree DNA.

What the mtDNA test will show is what haplogroup your
maternal-genealogical line belongs to. This will identify the
biogeographical regions and migration routes of your deep ancestry;
deep meaning very, very old ancestry.

In the case of YDNA is something similar for the paternal line, except
that the genetic markers in the Y chromosome mutate more rapidly so
they can be used to trace genealogical relationships (by matching to
others) on a shorter time scale (hundreds of years).  Obviously, this
kind of test is most useful from the genealogist perspective.

There's a third kind of test done by a different company which tests
not the Y chromosome, nor the mitochondrial (mt) DNA, but the
autosomal DNA.  This DNA represents the bulk of our DNA, the genetic
accumulation or load of all our ancestors that define what and who we
are, not

FYI
Here's the English version of my question to Emilie:

Have you tried the "Alt" key to the right side of the space bar and
the key with the question mark?

I can see, you got that right!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Hello Emilie,
> >
> >I too have my keyboard configured for International English.  As you 
> >know, in my case Spanish is my native language and English is my
second 
> >one.
> >
> >Regarding the upside down question mark (or should it be right side 
> >up), ¿Has intentado usar la combinación de teclas "Alt" a la derecha 
> >del la barra espaciadora y la tecla con el signo de interrogación?
> >
> sorry but I didn't get it. . .can you give us this last sentence in
English?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: are Teclas "keys" . . .actually as I'm reading it again I think I'm 
> getting it. Tell me if this is right, "Have you intended to use the 
> combination keys Alt to the right of the

Joseph,

It took me a while to make the decision of doing the dna tests but
eventually I could not stand anymore to ignore it.

My Y-DNA test showed that my haplogroup is "E3b", a type of haplogroup
that is very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, and my
mtDNA, on the maternal side, came as "A", one of the five Amerindian
haplogroups.  

So far, my closest matches on my paternal lineage have all been
persons that share my own surname, whom I have only known of now that
I have been researching these matters.  On my maternal DNA I have no
matches so far.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> I did both mine. I posted my Ydna results to the group but haven't for 
> my Mt dna. My Mt dna goes back to Africa probably a black slave got
into 
> my line many generations ago.
> 
> I'm going to eventually make up a YDNA/MtDNA folder in the files area 
> where those that are interested can post their results. As far as I
know 
> very few in the

Emilie,

Using the right side ALT and the ? keys simultaneously produces the ¿
symbol.  It does work.  Also, the admiration symbol ¡ can be typed by
the use of the right side ALT key plus the ! key.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
> Hi, Victor,
> 
> I understand what you said in Spanish about using right side ALT and
the ? key to get the Spanish character for "el signo de
interrogacion", but since I set my computer back to the factory
settings, I have not tried it.  Does that work? (Sorry I couldn't
respond in Spanish).  When I reset my computer for the Spanish
characters I still might not be able to have that one character work.
 I found that the exclamation character doesn't work with my MSN
Explorer.  I don't have Outlook Express (Internet Explorer) because my
MSN Explorer e-mail is web-based only in order to not have my e-mails
to other Internet Providers blocked because I have a msn.com address
on another e-mail account.
> 
>

My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get the DNA results. Marge

On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Members and cousins:

It would be very interesting if we all had our dna

results, but I believe we would be very much the same

since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they

also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,

Portugal.



Any comments?



Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll

> have to go through

> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her

> mother was from

> Ireland.:(  Marge

> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long

> wrote:

>

> > I would love to see how others did thier dna

> tests. I feel cheated as

> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna

> (female)line. I ordered mine

> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered

> his from

The priest never had the faith.

Alberto.

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> That is so interesting about the DNA Project.   
> 
> I have talked with Mr. Greenspan (via e-mail),
> president of the Family Tree DNA project, several
> times.  He is very nice.  He says to e-mail him any
> time.  He is a professor at the University of
> Arizona.  I had seen a story about a Hispanic priest
> in Albuquerque who now wears both a cross and a Star
> of David, since the DNA project showed not only that
> he was of Jewish heritage, but of the highest order,
> the Cohanim, direct descendants of Moses and his
> brother Aaron.  Mr. Greenspan said that he started
> the project for Jews to find out what Jewish groups
> they belong to (where in the hierarchy they fit). 
> The highest is the Cohanim [priest], then there is
> the Levite [temple servant], everybody else is
> Ysraelite.
> 
> I have heard many stories that many of our early
> 15th century Spanish ancestors in

Members and cousins:
It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
results, but I believe we would be very much the same
since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
Portugal.

Any comments?

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll
> have to go through 
> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her
> mother was from 
> Ireland.:(  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long
> wrote:
> 
> > I would love to see how others did thier dna
> tests. I feel cheated as
> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna
> (female)line. I ordered mine
> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered
> his from another even
> >  though it's the same lab.. he does not have
> ancestors from Mexico.  My
> >  test kit arrived in 10 days, my husbands took 6
> weeks to arrive.  I'm
> >  waiting for my results now and expect them by the
> end of June.  I

If we can only go through the female line, then I'll have to go through another site. My mother was from Scotland, and her mother was from Ireland.:( Marge

On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

I would love to see how others did thier dna tests. I feel cheated as

a female that I can only do the mtdna (female)line. I ordered mine

through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered his from another even

though it's the same lab.. he does not have ancestors from Mexico.  My

test kit arrived in 10 days, my husbands took 6 weeks to arrive.  I'm

waiting for my results now and expect them by the end of June.  I also

like how the Mexico site will hold our results for 25 years and will

notify us if there is a match with someone.



I don't fully understand how they analize the results but expect to

find African, Espanol and Indio blood lines if my research records are

correct.  I'm hoping they break it down in percentages, Joseph, do you

know how it's done?

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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makas_nc 
 

I would love to see how others did thier dna tests. I feel cheated as 
a female that I can only do the mtdna (female)line. I ordered mine 
through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered his from another even 
though it's the same lab.. he does not have ancestors from Mexico.  My 
test kit arrived in 10 days, my husbands took 6 weeks to arrive.  I'm 
waiting for my results now and expect them by the end of June.  I also 
like how the Mexico site will hold our results for 25 years and will 
notify us if there is a match with someone.

I don't fully understand how they analize the results but expect to 
find African, Espanol and Indio blood lines if my research records are 
correct.  I'm hoping they break it down in percentages, Joseph, do you 
know how it's done?

Linda Castanon-Long

Hi Joseph,
How does one go about getting the DNA testing?  I think, now, I'm pretty interested.
Thanks
Peggy Delgado
> 
> From: Joseph Puentes 
> Date: 2005/06/21 Tue PM 02:53:49 EDT
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] YDNA/MtDNA
> 
> I did both mine. I posted my Ydna results to the group but haven't for 
> my Mt dna. My Mt dna goes back to Africa probably a black slave got into 
> my line many generations ago.
> 
> I'm going to eventually make up a YDNA/MtDNA folder in the files area 
> where those that are interested can post their results. As far as I know 
> very few in the group have done dna testing. I'm hoping for more 
> interest as we grow older.
> 
> joseph
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Alicia,
> >
> >I agree.  This really must be an exciting finding for Steven.  
> >I've also wondered how many in the Ranchos group have done a DNA 
> >study (either Y-DNA or mtDNA) or are considering doing one?
> >
> >What is gradually showing up by those who

 ¿How do you do that?

 I found out how to create a shortcut to give you the upside down ¿ in Word.
It doesn't work in e-mail.  I copied pasted this e-mail from Word.  

Go into 
Insert
Symbol
Symbols folder
Find the ¿ question mark upside down about 8 rows down second from the end
of the chart.  Highlight the upside down ? mark ¿ and click on Shortcut
Key... Tab at the bottom of the Symbol screen.  

This brings you to the Customize Keyboard where I then assigned ALT ? as my
shortcut key for the upside down question mark ¿  

Hope this helps.

Kitty

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
George Luna
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:03 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] PAF Help Needed!!!

Find the .paf file by doing a search for the name. Right click on the file
and choose properties. Uncheck "read only".
Luna

Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Problem
> Date

You will.  

Albeto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> I did both mine. I posted my Ydna results to the
> group but haven't for 
> my Mt dna. My Mt dna goes back to Africa probably a
> black slave got into 
> my line many generations ago.
> 
> I'm going to eventually make up a YDNA/MtDNA folder
> in the files area 
> where those that are interested can post their
> results. As far as I know 
> very few in the group have done dna testing. I'm
> hoping for more 
> interest as we grow older.
> 
> joseph
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Alicia,
> >
> >I agree.  This really must be an exciting finding
> for Steven.  
> >I've also wondered how many in the Ranchos group
> have done a DNA 
> >study (either Y-DNA or mtDNA) or are considering
> doing one?
> >
> >What is gradually showing up by those who have done
> genetic testing 
> >is that most of us with Mexican roots have a
> European paternal 
> >lineage and a Native American maternal ancestry.
> >
> >Saludos
> >Victor
> >
> >
>

Victor Villarreal wrote:

Hello Emilie,

I too have my keyboard configured for International English. As you
know, in my case Spanish is my native language and English is my second
one.

Regarding the upside down question mark (or should it be right side
up), ¿Has intentado usar la combinación de teclas "Alt" a la derecha
del la barra espaciadora y la tecla con el signo de interrogación?

sorry but I didn't get it. . .can you give us this last sentence in English?

thanks,

joseph

ps: are Teclas "keys" . . .actually as I'm reading it again I think I'm
getting it. Tell me if this is right, "Have you intended to use the
combination keys Alt to the right of the space bar and the Question mark
key? Is that close.

Saludos
Victor Villarreal





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