Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

(Leg. 1-2)
Alicia,
 
 
Did you try requesting the documents from the state
registrar?  The municipalities always make two books of the vital records
(the original which gets sent to the capital and the duplicate which stays in
the municipality).
 
 
Frequently, if you did not find it in the
municipality you'll find the record in the Registro Civil del Estado, whatever
state it is. You can find the address on the internet by googling
it.
 
If you are looking for someone in 1925 you might
try looking in the 1930 census film. You might find that person there including
the whole family and where they  are
from.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Censo de población del municipio de Nochistlán de Mejía, Zacatecas
1930 
 

    Censo 1930
FHL INTL
Film        1520535 Items
6-7

    Censo 1930
(Leg. 2-3

Films in Database

great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in the
permanent loan column?


does anyone know?

joseph

ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't



Arturo Ramos wrote:

I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the
database. Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed
so you know who has them at their local FHL. I will try to add batch
numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have
time.








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Films on permanent loan.

why not talk to Salt Lake and pettition them to allow your films to be
ILL to you local library. All they can do is say no. I've understood
that in some cases they will do that, but maybe that's only when there
are absolutely not FHC anywhere close. This might not apply in your
case.



Jonathan do you know about this?



joseph



Peggy Delgado wrote:

You and me both, brother.....
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To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Films on permanent loan.



Peggy,



I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only

on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only

one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where

they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent

back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of

Help With Questions

great. Thanks Michael. I'll have a look and see if I can gleam a few
questions to ask from this material. Yes I knew about the name change
but didn't have it handy when I wrote. thanks again.



joseph



ps: if you're inclined can you make a folder in the "links" area of the
Group called USCIS (formerly INS) and put the links in this email in it
with a very brief description? then it will be available for later as
well thanks



Michael Gonzales wrote:

Hi Joseph,
 
If you want to see if INS records
contain information on where an individual comes from you might be
interested in the following sites.  As you might know, INS is no
longer.  The new Agency is the US Citizenship and Immigrations
Services.  However, the border crossing records are still available
through NARA.  I have also attached some Word documents on the specific
records that are available and what you can expect to find in them. 
There are NARA regional sites.  I have one here in Ft. Worth but I
believe

Films on permanent loan.

Victor and Peggy,
 
I don't know where you live but my advice is to find an FHC center that you really like within reasonable distance from you. I have 4 centers in my area but thanks to Helyn a Rancho's member I go to one that to date has been very good to me and while it's not the closest one they are very accomodating. I have also learned not to get over zealous by ordering too many films at one time. There are some films that are very long covering a long time span and some that are shorter and easier to review.
 
Thanks to many of you who answered my questions about lateral research. I have now given myself permission to take as long as necessary in order to get where I'm going in my ancestral search. It could be finding all my aunts and uncles(lateral) as well as my direct line ancestors and I'll get there when I get there
 
I have been scanning the films that I order record by record lest I miss something valuable. I now know that in the first films I reviewed last March when I

Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

Erlinda and Arturo,
 
I too found that they will not let you see the actual records. When I went to Nochistlan Zac they were  quite advanced for a small town in Mexico. They all had computers at the front office of the Registro Civil. The records that they did have they printed out certified documents for us based on what they had in the data base. I was able to come away with 6 certified documents but they don't let you access their books. When I asked for documents for my parents of 1925 they said they don't have any books for 1925 they were all destroyed or lost.
 
In Tlachichila the smaller town they have the books but they still won't let you see the books and there again they did not have records for 1925. I need to talk to the town historian or read a little history to see what happened in the year 1925.
I too have had better luck at my local FHC as well as at Salt Lake FHC. It's still good to visit your ancestor's town but don't expect to see much in terms of records or

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging.
 
I am especially concerned about my grandfather  Jose Adalberto Garana.  This is all I know about him:   He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know where. I don't know his father's name but I believe his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to believe that his father's name was something else.  He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits.    He married Petra Romero Gonzalez of Salinas, SLP, probably in 1904 and lived in San Luis Potosi, SLP,  and had a son in 1905 and daughters in 1907 and 1911.  In 1917 he crossed through El Paso with his wife and three children and others hired to work on the Santa Fe railroad.  They went to Fort Madison, Iowa.  I find him again in 1921 in San Antonio, Tx.  He died in Corpus Christi, Tx in 1958.  
 
Of my great grandfather I have found even less.  Victor Romero married Refugio Gonzalez and had a daughter Petra Romero Gonzalez in 1873 in Salinas, SLP.  I have found a photo of him dated 1894

Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

Arturo, When I was in El Limon Jalisco in 2003 we went to the parish 
office and talked with the girl in the office who told us we could 
not look at the actual books even though they were on the shelf 
behind her.  The priest walked in and asked what family we were 
looking for? My cousin's husband was trying to find his Santana 
ancestors who turned out to be part of the priests family.  He asked 
what year and took out a book wrapped in plastic because it was 
frail.  We opened it and the pages started turning to dust and 
blowing away.  Needless to say we closed it immediately and thanked 
him for allowing us to try.  It's very dry there and no special 
precautions were taken to preserve the books.
We went to Tamazula de Gordiano Jalisco next and they were so busy 
that they gave very poor service telling us they tried but couldn't 
find the records.  They had no copy machine so would have to do a 
form letter for whatever information was found, came home and found 
the records at

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

For how long, the films stay at the FHC, depends on the Center. 
Especially, on how much room, they have.  Some centers, once the films
 go on indefinite loan, they stay forever.  Others stay until, the
center decides to send, them back.  That is why it is called "Indinite 
Loan".  In my center, thay stay forever,  I have not had a indefinite
loan film, go back to Salt Lake.

Also, in some centers, they have film copiers and scanners, where you
can make your own copies, of the documents, that you want.

If you have more questions, let them fly.  I am sure that between all
of us here in the Ranchos group & the Mexicanfhr group, we can find a
answer, for you.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. 
When I go
> to

Help With Questions

Hi Joseph,
 
If you want to see if INS records contain
information on where an individual comes from you might be interested in the
following sites.  As you might know, INS is no longer.  The new Agency
is the US Citizenship and Immigrations Services.  However, the border
crossing records are still available through NARA.  I
have also attached some Word documents on the specific records that
are available and what you can expect to find in them.  There are NARA
regional sites.  I have one here in Ft. Worth but I believe there are six
total outside of Washington D.C.
 
Hope this info addresses what you were requesting
below and is of assistance for those of us who are still in the early 1900s
researching our great grand parents and their brothers and sisters.  The
links below contain lots of information and you may find that it won't be
neceessary to interview anyone, at least for now.
 

Films on permanent loan.

You
and me both, brother.....
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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on
permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your
feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and
just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working
order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking
for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate
it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors. 
jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

---
In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"
wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
>
I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the
actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is
it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
Whe

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Mary,

If you could tell me, the names and what information, that you have on
the grandfathers, that you are searching for.  I'll see if I can find
anything.

Also, to all of the Ranchos members,  if you have elusive ancestor,
send me the information.  And I will see, if I can find anything.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> Hello, Jonathan:  I am one of the newer members, not only in Ranchos
but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have been working
steadily for about nine years and made a lot of "progress" but was
striking out in all directions and actually don't even know if I was
running into ancestors or not.  Then I ran into Ranchos and it put the
whole thing into focus.  Now I am rather excited because by sending
out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have my first "hit".
It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the granddaughter of the
very man I was looking up.  I may really need some help later

Films in Database

I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the 
database.  Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed 
so you know who has them at their local FHL.  I will try to add batch 
numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have 
time.




Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

I will be spending about three weeks this December and January in 
Jalisco and Zacatecas and am hoping to make it to the parrishes in 
Colotlan and Tlaltenango, perhaps Atolinga as well as the archives in 
Guadalajara...

Question... has anyone ever asked to see the actual books held at the 
parrishes?  I am thinking of asking to photograph some of them, but 
don't know how well that would go over.

Any tips would be appreciated.  I am also going to try to do an 
interview with Esteban Valdes Salazar who has published some very good 
genealogy and history books on Totatiche.  He is the local "cronista" 
and has obviously spent lots of time pouring over old archival 
documents, including the transcription of the 1591 census of Tlaxcaltec 
migrants to Colotlan and the entire 1770 Totatiche census (over 3000 
names).  So if there are any questions anyone would like to ask, please 
let me know.




Films on permanent loan.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. 
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
 Do you
> have these microfilms in your

Parroquia Rincón de Romos

Stuart: just write in your search space in the web site  the words rincon de romos, choose the first result or the one you like.

 

                   hope I helped,     

                              Leticia



Stuart Armstrong escribió:

Does anyone know where I might find a history of la Parroquia de
Rincón de Romos and also of the Parroquia San José de Gracia?

I understand that for awhile there was an auxiliary San José parish
separated out of the main San José parish. It also seems that the
parochial jurisdictions changed over the years. I would like to be
able to decipher what belonged to what, and when, and how they
correlated with the civil jurisdictions.



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Oh, my gosh, Connie,

I was in El Paso for 2 days as of the 11th and just left this morning! I went to visit my sisters, one of whom is recuperating in a hospital! Wow! How interesting it would have been to talk on the phone a wee bit. Marge:)

On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Connie Dominguez wrote:


Alicia,

 

I worked for about a year at the beginning, with very few breakthroughs, but just enough tidbits to keep my appetite going. My early research taught me many things the hard way – lots of experience from mistakes.   As I moved into my second year of research, I realized that this was definitely not going to be a piece of cake.  While there were a few dates & such that I came across, I found much less than I had anticipated.   

 

But I resolved two things:  First, to learn about everything I could while I was on this ride…even if it wasn’t

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Arturo,
Thank
you so much for taking the time to answer me.  I don't spend as much time
as I would like, or as I used to, researching my family.
I
haven't really been paying attention to the messages, because of my schedule, so
I was confused (as you can tell).
I
really do envy you all for the time and effort you put into your individual
genealogies and the time you take to help others.
 
 
Thanks
again,
Peggy
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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Arturo
Ramos
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:18 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Jonathan's Film
File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Peggy:

We
don't literally "have" the films in our possession... rather, they
are at
our local family history center on "indefinite" loan.  They
put films
into such a status when someone has renewed the same film
three times...
basically meaning it is a critical or heavy use film
in that family
history

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Peggy:

We don't literally "have" the films in our possession... rather, they 
are at our local family history center on "indefinite" loan.  They 
put films into such a status when someone has renewed the same film 
three times... basically meaning it is a critical or heavy use film 
in that family history center.  I personally don't have any on such 
status but people who have been at this a lot do... After all it is 
only $12 to get a film to stay at your center... it is worth it.

Podcasts are audio clips that can be downloaded to your computer to 
be listened to and if you like they can be synchronized to an iPod to 
listen to on your way to work, etc.  If you don't have an iPod you 
can still listen to them on your computer.

Check out this link for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual

I get the database point. . .maybe

You guys are too quick for me!  Yes, Joseph that is the point of the 
database--to have a single source of all the info and not have to 
have it repeated in several different files. Yes, a lookup means 
getting a scanned image of a document for another member provided 
they give you the film number, date and full names.  I think that we 
multiply the number of films we all have access to at one time by 
helping one another out to further our research.  I don't get to my 
FHC often either, but if I can help anyone I would be happy to do so.

As Arturo points out, the database has the advantage of allowing you 
to import and export into it.  

You've been reminding us about how we're running out of space in the 
files area, so I thought the database would help with that problem. 
Or does the data we put into the databases add to the amount of space 
alotted for files?  Even if it does, I would imagine that doing away 
with redundancy would help a little.

Thanks Arturo for your great

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Good
Afternoon fellow researchers....
 
I have
a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual microfilms that
you refer to in this message?
How is
it that you can get them for such a long period of time.  When I go to the
FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in from SLC, I look
through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of certain
documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?  Do you
have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost
more?
 
I've
been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying for a civil
service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?  What information is being given here?  Sorry about all
these questions, but after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for
my work's union and almost going

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Hello, Jonathan:  I am one of the newer members, not only in Ranchos but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have been working steadily for about nine years and made a lot of "progress" but was striking out in all directions and actually don't even know if I was running into ancestors or not.  Then I ran into Ranchos and it put the whole thing into focus.  Now I am rather excited because by sending out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have my first "hit". It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the granddaughter of the very man I was looking up.  I may really need some help later but in a couple of weeks I am flying to Mexico City to meet this person who is willing to receive me.  I will see what she can give me; I understand she is very alert.    I definitely will need help with the other grandfather who absolutely hides from  me:  The secret may be in Salt Lake City.   I have ordered
some of the films, waited a very long time to receive them only to realize I

Hispanic Genealogy Conference in Salt Lake

For those of you, who want copies of the material.  Please send me
your mailing address. To me private email: jonathan@...

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> For those of you who are too far west to have made it to the Hispanic 
> Genealogy Symposium at the National Archives, the Family History Center 
> and BYU are hosting a similar conference this weekend:
> 
> http://familyhistory.byu.edu/hg_conf.asp
>





Hispanic Genealogy Conference in Salt Lake

For those, who want copies, of the material.  Please send me, your
mailing address to my private email:  jonathan@...

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> For those of you who are too far west to have made it to the Hispanic 
> Genealogy Symposium at the National Archives, the Family History Center 
> and BYU are hosting a similar conference this weekend:
> 
> http://familyhistory.byu.edu/hg_conf.asp
>