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Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?

PAF 4.0 English Instructions

For an Ancestor Report
1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for
report.
2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...'
option.
3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books
tab.  The starting person will be the ancestor that
was selected from step 1.
4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio
button.
5. Choose the desired options or leave the default
options.
6. Select the 'Print to File' check box.
7. Select the Print button.

Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line
ancestor and then select the Modified register
(Descendancy) radio button

PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español

Para un Informe Antepasado

1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el
Informe.
2. Del Archivo menú, escoge 'Imprimir Informes...'
opción.

3. Del Informes y Cuadros panel, escoge Libros tab.

Emilie:

I live just a few blocks from NARA's main building here in Washington 
DC.  If you give me your father's full information I can try and look 
him up when I am down there next.  I still have not found my 
grandfather's border crossing records either and the people at NARA 
are not very helpful... the records and films are not very easily 
useable and the films are horrible quality as well.  It really makes 
me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems, etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> To Michael Gonsalez:
> 
> Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below.  I had to 
laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in the 
early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers 
and sisters".  It made me feel so old.  I am trying to find an 
immigration record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 
through the border crossing at El Paso TX.  I would so much like to 
see

Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's
date of birth for the death certificate was

Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as 
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a 
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary 
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's 
date of birth for the death certificate was anyone but the deceased, 
so they could easily make a mistake.  The spelling of the name 
(Refugio vs. Refugia) I wouldn't be too concerned with either.  I've 
seen records where the priest writes the name two different ways in 
the same record!  If all the names and the place and time period 
match up, then it is likely the same Petra Romero you are researching.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  
wrote:
>
> I actually do have that record and I have been studying it because 
in records at home I found her birthdate as June 8, 1873.  Perhaps 
the 1872 date is incorrect.    I recall as a girl that she would 
insist she was indeed from

Rosalinda,

If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met
a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City
and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.

I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of
documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his
paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image
of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".

Victor

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Hi all--
 
Here's the main page for the Archivo:
 
http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in
 
I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search  pages. 
 
http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic
 
If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search
name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo
Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is the last
choice.  Then  you can search all of the categories.
 
It appears they offer services as

Linda,

FYI, there is a free edition of Legacy Family Tree software.
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
It lacks some of the functions of the Deluxe Edition but it still does
so much, including the report I wrote about.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the 
> Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next 
> purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's 
> a learn as I go project.  I just started using the Family Tree 
> program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each 
> other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, 
> what a blessing that has been!
> thanks again, Linda
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Linda,
> > 
> > I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a
> > function built into my genealogy software

Arturo,

I've been to the Ixtlahuacan del Rio parrish twice. My first time 
going I called about a month prior to my trip and asked for the 
specific records. The girl agreed to have them ready when I got 
there. When I arrived the girl was very nice, but said she hadn't had 
time to get the records, but she still had the list of names and 
dates. There were quite a few and I offered to help her look through 
the books. She allowed me to look through the books and get xerox 
copies!  The books were from the early to mid 1800's and were in 
fairly good shape. The cover appeared to be a piece of leather and 
for a clasp it had a string wound around a button. I had taken a gift 
to her and she was very happy.  I offered a donation at the end, but 
she would not take it.

My second trip was not as fruitful. There were two teenagers working 
there who were not very helpful and the office was full people 
waiting for help. I had a fairly long list, and they were having 
trouble finding the

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Raigosa Family.rtf 
  Uploaded by : peggydelgado  
  Description : Jalisco and Zacatecas 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Raigosa%20Family.rtf 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

peggydelgado 
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Aguirre Family.rtf 
  Uploaded by : peggydelgado  
  Description : Aguirre Family of Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Aguirre%20Family.rtf 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

peggydelgado 
 

Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the 
actual parish records of the San Luis parish.

However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives 
that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal 
records from the mid and late 1600s.  They may go back further than 
that.

I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very 
pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for 
indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical 
communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec 
section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc.

I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the 
modern times. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan 
Convent 
> >set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan 
> >church.  These include baptismal and marriage

I believe that I have uploaded most of the films that were in the 
individual files in RANCHOS2.  Can those of you who have files there 
check and let me know if I missed some...

I guess the next step is to put the IGI/VRI batch numbers associated 
with the films.  If anybody has these for one of the towns that is 
already there, please add them.

I have ordered three Sagrada Mitra films as well.  I will report back 
on what those films are like.  I imagine they have a wealth of 
infomation.  FYI in case you want me to do a lookup of a citation that 
you have found from Luz Montejano's book...  these are the films I 
requested...

0167992
0168004
0168006

Wow! The messages have been amazing the past few days. Thanks to all 
who have shared their insights regarding research.
(Confession: I am really bummed - I was writing this message, and had 
written quite a bit, then accidentally hit the wrong key, and lost 
the entire message. Now I am going to try to reconstruct, and hope I 
don't leave anything out.)
One of the things stressed by Dr. George Ryskamp at the recent 
Hispanic Family History Symposium held at the National Archives in 
Washington, DC, was the importance of knowing/understanding the 
locality of your ancestors. Learn about the geography, community, 
economy, culture, etc. Get to know about the jurisdictional concepts 
for your locality: political, ecclisiastical, judicial, military, 
etc. He highly recommended the preparation of a written locality 
report.
In another presentation he mentioned the National Archives of Mexico -
 it sounded amazing. Has anyone in this group been there?
BTW, his bibliography was quite

Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the 
Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next 
purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's 
a learn as I go project.  I just started using the Family Tree 
program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each 
other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, 
what a blessing that has been!
thanks again, Linda

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
 wrote:
>
> Linda,
> 
> I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a
> function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print 
out a
> "source citation report".  Of course this requires that everytime 
you
> find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy 
database
> that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a 
source. 
> 
> With your source citation report on hand you just sort by
> chronological order the

Linda,

I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a
function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print out a
"source citation report".  Of course this requires that everytime you
find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy database
that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a source. 

With your source citation report on hand you just sort by
chronological order the entries grouped by source (batch number). 
Then, when you get a chance to review the microfilm of each batch
number you just locate each date from your report in a forward
sequence, take a picture (or transcribe the manuscript) and move to
the next, etc.

The ideal thing would be to read the whole book from start to finish
but the circumstances usually make it impractical if not impossible. 
This is a very efficient method to get your records fast.  Let's say
you need some 20 or 30 records from a microfilm you can get them in
about an hour.

Hope this

I have started using the batch numbers to do the groundwork before 
going to the FHC to read the actual films.  There are so many 
entries that are smeared or too light to read that having them read 
by someone else has been a Godsend. In doing marriage records for 
Tamazula the online batch # gave me a marriage for my ancestor 
Benito Gutierrez that I never would have been able to read on my 
own. I allow for misspelled names and missing dates.  There are 
times when I know I will have to order the film a second time but 
when time is an issue pulling all the surnames I'm researching with 
the % and a surname has saved the day more than once. Now when I go 
to read the film I've already started my record with dates and names 
in sequence so I do them first and then go back and do the complete 
record a second time. I always order at least 2 films because one 
usually is being used by someone else and I've waited up to 2 months 
for a film to arrive or as little as 8 days. 
My husband

I went to Zacatatecas and visited a number of towns. Fortunately, I was able to take a 
long-lost relative to Valparaiso, Zacatecas, where he showed me around, including taking 
me to the Iglesia of that city. He knew somebody there at the church but that person was 
not available. He then took me to directly to a small office located adjacent to the church, 
where all the baptism/marriage/death records were kept. We asked if we could review 
baptism records but we received only a cold stare, not a no and not a yes. I got the 
definite impression that it was not allowed. My friend and I kept talking in Spanish, being 
friendly, and dropping a few apellidos here and there; I imagine the entire town is related 
directly or indirectly if you go back far enough.

Anyway, after a little more chit-chat, I told her exactly what years and types of records I 
wanted to see, e.g. 1890-1895 baptisms. Amazingly, she brought out the INDEX to those 
baptisms, which included dates, names

There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent 
set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan 
church.  These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the 
foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC 
films)... These are the ones I really want to look at.

I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to 
obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more 
reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have heard 
that documents created since the time civil registry was instituted 
in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records because 
of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were written 
with much more durable inks on much more durable paper.

We will see.  I am looking at writing to the parish head before I 
head down and perhaps getting a local historian to vouch for me. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
>

Joseph, the films with no name are simply films with batch numbers 
next to them, so that they can more easily be searched in IGI and 
VRI.  The database was originally for batch numbers and it has only 
recently been updated to include permanent loan information.

Thus the missing permanent loan info on some and missing batch info 
on others.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in 
the 
> permanent loan column?
> 
> does anyone know?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't
> 
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the 
> >database.  Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are 
listed 
> >so you know who has them at their local FHL.  I will try to add 
batch 
> >numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I 
have 
> >time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups

Mary Allen, do you have this record?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International
Genealogical Index v5.0 
  Mexico 
PETRA ROMERO GONZALES  
  Female 
Event(s): 
 Birth:  
 Christening:  27 MAY 1872   Nuestro Padre Jesus,
Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico

Parents: 
  Father:  VICTOR ROMERO  Family 
  Mother:  REFUGIA GONZALES 

Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout
Call No.:  Type:  
 
Batch: K601881  1864 - 1875  Film #0708217  
 
Just Curious

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, Ca.


--- Mary Allen  wrote:

> Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging.
>  
> I am especially concerned about my grandfather  Jose
> Adalberto Garana.  This is all I know about him:  
> He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know
> where. I don't know his father's name but I believe
> his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to
> believe that his father's name was something else. 
> He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits