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What I found was Cienega de Abajo in the municipio of Tabasco and a 
Ciana de Abajo aka Santa Potenciana in the municipio of Valparaiso.

I hope that this helps.

Jonathan

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I have attached a document from FHL Intl 445242 Entierros (Tepetongo,
Zacatecas) that is a marriage document. I have found others. Being
listed among the dead is no way to start a marriage. But, it is another
reason to look at entierros.

George

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.

I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the
information can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the
person was married it will many times only give the spouses name but
if the person died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon
but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age
and the location and that they were previously married (but not who
to). And the cause of death.

I've found a few that gave all the details and agonized over the ones
that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was the name of the
person and spouses name and cause of death.

my Grandfather had 11 siblings according

Hi Arturo and all,

I've been following this thread because I hit a brick wall on one of 
my lines and had the same thought as Arturo--to look at the death 
records.  However, a recent post by Jonathan got me thinking of 
ordering the Informacion Matrimonial film.  I had not planned on 
ordering that film because I have a copy of the marriage record for 
the couple in question.  I've changed my mind since and I think I'll 
take my chances with the Informacion Matrimonal for the couple.  I 
may find more info there than in the death records.  I thought I 
would mention that to you Arturo, in case that film is available for 
the parrish you are interested in.

Maria

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> Arturo,  again I have found the same things in the death records as 
has Alicia.  I always thought my grandmother was an only child, but 
when I checked birth and death records, I found that infant mortality 
was high then.  Also, if a child

Hi Arturo and all,

I've been following this thread because I hit a brick wall on one of 
my lines and had the same thought as Arturo--to look at the death 
records.  However, a recent post by Jonathan got me thinking of 
ordering the Informacion Matrimonial film.  I had not planned on 
ordering that film because I have a copy of the marriage record for 
the couple in question.  I've changed my mind since and I think I'll 
take my chances with the Informacion Matrimonal for the couple.  I 
may find more info there than in the death records.  I thought I 
would mention that to you Arturo, in case that film is available for 
the parrish you are interested in.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
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> Arturo,  again I have found the same things in the death records as 
has Alicia.  I always thought my grandmother was an only child, but 
when I checked birth and death records, I found that infant mortality 
was high then.  Also, if a child

I looked for it but couldn't find it. I even looked in the Cubas
dictionary and came up with nothing.

joseph


campezina wrote:

Can someone tell me where these two ranchos are located?

Can someone tell me anything about them?

I understand that families of Apache descendancy settled here  from
the US.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Elvira







Yahoo! Groups Links

Josie & Linda,

We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an exact match we
do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with mitochondrial
DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our female common
ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical times.

Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is called "Deep
Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share the same
Native American roots in the distant past.

Warm Regards,

Victor


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> Message: 8       Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:55:34 -000        From:
"Erlinda
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> Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
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> Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group A 16111T
16223T
> 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
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> Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing? 
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> Linda in Everett
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I've found two relatives through entierros--one said what he died of and gave his age as over 100 but he really was 86 or something similar...I know because I found his birth record before I found his entierro. In a second entierro record that was included in some nacimientos, I found my great-grandfather's first wife--Ma. Eleuteria Tovar de Gonzalez, who died in childbirth, giving birth to her third child. But can I find this record again? Noooooooo. This is frustrating.:( Marge:)

On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Arturo,

 

I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can be hit or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but very sparse in terms of familial connections. For example if it was a spouse who died at child birth it will give the husband's name but won't say who her parents are. Most of what I found in entierros or defunciones did not give a lot of

I'm going to be changing a rule. I will no longer be accepting
genealogies that include living relatives. This is for privacy sake. In
the early going I was lax on this point so there might be a few in the
files that include living relatives. I would strongly suggest that those
files be modified to remove those individuals.

also I've not accepted or will accept .gedcoms. . .I prefer a genealogy
report or if you must a chart.

thanks,

joseph

Can someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing
burials
tell me how extensive the information listed in these books
is?  Does
it list parents, survivors of the deceased?  I have two
particular
issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m.
Maria
Barbara

"Pardos Enterados: Unearthing Black Papantla in the Eighteenth Century."

Journal of Colonialism and Colonial History 5:2 | © 2004 Jason
Frederick

"Pardos Enterados: Unearthing Black Papantla in the Eighteenth
Century."

     Jason Frederick
     Penn State University, University Park

  1.

2. In 1787 Antonio Alcedo published his Diccionario
Geographico-Histórico de las Indias Occidentales o America. This work
details a variety of information on population centers throughout North
and South America. For the town of Papantla, Veracruz, Alcedo recorded
15 families of Spaniards, 535 families of "indios Mexicanos," and 200
pardos, divided into two companies of militia.1 Two centuries later
Peter Gerhard offered population figures for the same period in what has
become the standard historical geography for colonial New Spain.
Gerhard's numbers for Papantla were considerably higher than Alcedo's:
2,269 native tributaries and 215 Spanish families in 1795

Mary:

About getting around in Mexico... as someone noted earlier, the bus
system is very good in Mexico.. nothing like Greyhound.  There are
luxury buses that are almost always on schedule and do non-stop
trajectories between major cities.  You should be able to get from
Mexico City to Guanajuato without any problems on such a bus.  I have
rented cars before and driven and believe me I enjoyed the buses much
more.

As far as maps, the Secretaria de Communicaciones y Transporte has
very detailed up-to-date road maps of every state in Mexico:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

You can also order a Guia Roji, which is the premiere road atlas of
Mexico and is updated annually as well.

http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/store/strProductDetail.jsp?
prod_id=9706214186

The SCT map can be searched in Adobe Reader.  From what I can tell,
there are a number of San Felipes in Guanajuato. 

Can someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials 
tell me how extensive the information listed in these books is?  Does 
it list parents, survivors of the deceased?  I have two particular 
issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m. Maria 
Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a 
Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived, his 
children were born, etc.).  I cannot find a marriage or birth record 
for him...

The other is that baptismal and marriage records for Jerez, Zacatecas 
seem to be missing for the crucial period at the end of the 17th and 
beginning of the 18th century when many families moved from there to 
Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that death records will make the 
connection.

Mary:

About getting around in Mexico... as someone noted earlier, the bus
system is very good in Mexico.. nothing like Greyhound.  There are
luxury buses that are almost always on schedule and do non-stop
trajectories between major cities.  You should be able to get from
Mexico City to Guanajuato without any problems on such a bus.  I have
rented cars before and driven and believe me I enjoyed the buses much
more.

As far as maps, the Secretaria de Communicaciones y Transporte has
very detailed up-to-date road maps of every state in Mexico:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

You can also order a Guia Roji, which

Just thought I would share my "experience" of riding the bus in Mexico.
This was in 1996. I had gone to Mexico around Holy Week to visit my 
youngest son who was in a study abroad program. Since his spring break 
coincided with Holy Week we decided to try to visit Zacatecas (I had 
previously contacted some distant cousins about the possibility of 
meeting them). According to the schedule the trip was to take 8 hours, 
so we decided to take the overnight bus, scheduled to arrive at about 6 
AM. It was a comfortable ride, but we fell asleep - slept through our 
stop (Zacatecas city)- went on two more stops (about 45 min.) then had 
to wait over an hour to catch a bus back to Zacatecas. We didn't dare 
wander away from the bus stop for fear of missing the bus back. We made 
it back OK, 'though the cousins were worried that we had not arrived at 
the appointed time.
The return trip to Mexico City was w/o incident.
 
Natalie Coleman in VA
PS - we had a lovely visit to the city - so much

Hope:

The marriage records usually have the names of parents listed and 
your grandmother's marriage with Epifanio is listed in IGI and you 
can order the film from your local family history center to view the 
full record and see the parent listing.  One of our members, Deena 
Ortiz has this film at her local FHC.

ANCELMA RODRIGUEZ  
  Female   Family 
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  EPIFANIO RAMIREZ  Family 
  Marriage:  04 MAR 1878   Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico 
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:       Source Call No.:  Type:  
 M606265     1874 - 1880  0226734           Film 


You should also know that there is a very good and detailed genealogy 
of the oldest settlers in Nochistlan, so if your gggrandmother's 
family is originally from there, you should have a great resource to 
go back pretty far.

Genealogía de Nochistlán, antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el 
siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales 
Authors Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías, José Luis (Main Author) 

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