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I had run across this before with another record that I must have not 
gotten a copy of and if I remember correctly, I think your first 
theory is correct Jose.

In this record, Jose Maria Miramontes appears as the padrino later in 
the record, along with his wife.  I think that what happened was that 
perhaps the padrinos went to baptize the child without the father and 
the sacristan must have written down the wrong name on whatever he 
was recording on and then the priest corrected the record when he 
wrote it into the book?  Is this the way the process works?

In the other record, the grandfather is erroneously listed as the 
father (in parenthesis) and then appears as the maternal 
grandfather.  I think that once the priest started writing out the 
whole record, he must have run across the conflicting information and 
corrected it, but left in the paranthetical name to match the 
original information that was taken at the actual ceremony...

The baptismal record is from 1907 in

all you guys are so bad! Why don't we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,

    You know I'm game.  I'm also sure the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be interested.  Please let me know when and where..

Irma

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

Robert, Irma and Alicia:

I am just delighted to have enough interest.  I think we should time 
it around Alicia's schedule since she is the one who has the longer 
drive.  I'll coordinate with Alicia for a time and date and get back 
to the rest of the group.

Maria

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  wrote:
>
> Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
> don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
> time and date . . .
> 
> --- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> 
> > Maria,
> >  
> > I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> > group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> > daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> > Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> > Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> > Sacaramento.
> >  
> > Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
> >  
> > Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> > Ca
> > 
> > readysetgo95814  wrote:
> > In

Joseph,

That is why we are having the get together in Salt Lake next
year.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: "ranchos@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Meeting in
Sacramento
Date: 10/27/05 02:22

all you guys are so bad! Why don't
we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone
bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and
party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma
GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,

   
You know I'm game.  I'm also sure
the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be
interested.  Please let me know when and where..

Irma

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26,
2005 5:33 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[ranchos] Meeting in Sacramento

In reading Alicia's
note about meeting in person I was reminded of a
conversation I recently
had

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Maria,
>  
> I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> Sacaramento.
>  
> Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
>  
> Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> Ca
> 
> readysetgo95814  wrote:
> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------

In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded of a
conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several of
us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to
get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy
tips and tricks. Any interest out there?

Maria Cortez

In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded of a 
conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several of 
us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to 
get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy 
tips and tricks. Any interest out there?

Maria Cortez

Welcome Sally,

I wanted to mention that I have a Villalobos line from Lagos and 
several Diaz lines (one from Jalostotitlan).  I also have a Luna line 
from Tepechitlan, Zac.  When you have some time please take a look at 
my genealogy reports and see if we have any matches.

Regards,

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "matthew_chavez1" 
 wrote:
>
> Dear Joseph and members, 
> 
> My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach 
> on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of 
her 
> lines have taken me to  other cities as San Miguel El Alto 
> Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,
> Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.
> Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)
Sermeño,Ortiz,
> Villalobos,Ornelas and others.
> On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac. 
> also from Jerez and Monte Escovedo. He was born in Juanchorrey

A "WILD GUESS" only...
>From personal experience my opinion is: 

Jose Maria Miramontes was a probable padrino
erroneously mentioned before the baptized legitimate
parents... thus ( ). 

Jose Maria Miramontes could of been the father, died,
and the viuda remarried prior to childs birth.

Jose Maria Miramontes may have been related to Maria
Guadalupe De Luna. I make this statement based on a
theory,,, relations of the Miramontes and De Luna from
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas in the first half of the 17th
century: 

What time frame is your bautismo record?


--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Has anyone run across this or have an inkling of
> what it might mean?
> 
> ...que nacio en Santa Cruz, el dia veintiseis del
> corriente a las once 
> de la manana a la que puse por nombre Luisa, hija
> legitima de (Jose 
> Maria Miramontes) Telesforo Gutierrez y Maria
> Guadalupe de Luna.  
> Abuelos paternos Catarino y Anastacia Jara...
> 
> Who is this man Jose Maria Miramontes and what is

I will venture my opinion regarding this matter.  I haven't found any similar record but this is my opinion.

I believe both names refer to the same person, Jose Maria Miramontes and Telesforo Gutierrez.  But the scribe, unwilling to act against his conscience and being in any way untruthful, he decided to write the person's baptismal given name and the person's self-declared, newly (for whatever reasons) adopted name.  Besides, the church's sacramental books were privy objects, or so they thought at that time, so who would question?.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" wrote:
>
> Could it also be that, at the baptism, conflicting information was given by the parties present, and the sacristan or priest noted all names, but put in parentheses that info that did not sound likely to be the case?
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: elviraz
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Hello Emilie,

I don't know if I can be much help with the Olague surname but I will 
give you what information I have. I have two Olague lines that I found 
just this year. One is when I found my ancestors Pedro Chavez Banuelos 
married to Aguada Olague in 1681 whos parents are Miguel Olague and 
Juana De La Torre Del Rio. The other line is Sebastiana Olague married 
to Francisco Davila Caldera in 1713 no parents for her because she was 
married before to a Nicolas Dena. But I did find a despensa in the 
Sagrada Mitra book that says Sebastiana was the hija natural of Jorge 
Olague doesn't give her mothers name. 
Thank you and all the group for your warm welcome. Since I came upon 
this site it has been so enjoyable reading all those messages. 

Regards
Sally

Has anyone run across this or have an inkling of what it might mean?

...que nacio en Santa Cruz, el dia veintiseis del corriente a las once 
de la manana a la que puse por nombre Luisa, hija legitima de (Jose 
Maria Miramontes) Telesforo Gutierrez y Maria Guadalupe de Luna.  
Abuelos paternos Catarino y Anastacia Jara...

Who is this man Jose Maria Miramontes and what is his relation to this 
baptism?

nice site for first names:

http://www.thinkbabynames.com

Hello group,
I am fairly new to the group  and really enjoy reading what everyone has to say. Also rejoice in the information  that is found and the excitment that it brings. I am touched every time I see that someone has found new information about there family. Thank you for sharing all your feelings with everyone. I for one am encouraged to keep looking and digging!
Hope
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From: Margarita Vallazza 
Date: 2005/10/25 Tue PM 09:02:06 CDT
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Sally's Introduction

Wow!!!! Based on what Sally told me in another message, I'd say I'm a  
Banuelos descendant as well!!!!! Yaaaaahooooo!!!! Marge:)
On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
>
>  matthew_chavez1 wrote:
>> Dear Joseph and members,
>>
>> My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach
>> on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her
>> lines have taken me

Hello Alice,

Would love to meet you some day my only problem is I don't drive very 
far from Hollister any more.  Use  to in my younger years, San Jose  
is just has to much traffic for me.

Regards
Sally