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I cut the 1650 Tlaltenango Padron into 5 chunks so it would be easier to
download. It is in the links area now:

go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/

then go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links

then go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/1650_Tlaltenango_Cen_001131149315/

joseph

ps: thanks Arturo!

Emilie,

Don't despair.  Do what Angie suggests and check the Civil Registry
records.  What I find strange is that the dates don't quite check
because the Mexican Revolution started in 1910 not 1903.  Maybe it was
some other disaster or maybe they made a typo when they captured that
record.  I've seen microfilms whose contents don't exactly agree with
the index at the Library Catalog.  So maybe you can take a look at
those microfilms anyway just to be sure.  After all that, if you still
haven't found anything, then you can cry, but just a little!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Oh, Angie, Victor,
> 
> I guess the priest my father talked to was correct.  The records for
1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion.  The
films skip from 1902 to 1906.  I want to cry. 
> 
> Emilie
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garciamailto:auntyemfaustus@h...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos

Okay I've created a special Yahoo ID and Password and created a
YahooGroup for Nueva Galicia.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NuevaGalicia/

My purpose is to try to encourage people to join the group and start
formulating a plan for the future. A plan that would include a research
area that encompasses all of what Nueva Galicia was Historically. After
you all join and come to some kind of agreement as to who will run this
group and who will be moderators to help run it, I will turn over the
Yahoo ID/Password for ownership. Tied to this ID/Password is the email
address: NuevaGalicia2@...

So please I would encourage you to join this group and let the planning
start. Later if you want you can completely change anything and
everything. Since its just a planning committee group I made it unlisted
and private to group members only (no open archives).

I'll be part of the committee but only in a supportive role. I like the
idea of opening up the research area. I just don't

Emilie,

Have you tried Civil Registration?  I don't know if I have the right 
city, but here is this list:

Nacimientos 1902 -  FHL INTL Film [ 1081920 ]
Nacimientos 1903-1904 -  FHL INTL Film [ 1081921 ]
Nacimientos 1905-1906 -  FHL INTL Film [ 1089629 ]

This was taken from:
http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai
lsprint.asp?titleno=310581

Good Luck on your search,
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Oh, Angie, Victor,
> 
> I guess the priest my father talked to was correct.  The records 
for 1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion.  
The films skip from 1902 to 1906.  I want to cry. 
> 
> Emilie

Emilie,

Here is this list:
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1867-1891 -  FHL INTL Film [ 439889 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1891-1902 -  FHL INTL Film [ 439890 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1906-1919 -  FHL INTL Film [ 439891 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1953-1961 -  VAULT INTL Film [ 439892 ] 

Taken from this page:
http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai
lsprint.asp?titleno=354158

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring over the microfilm 
for baptisms from Jerez around the time my father Guadalupe Olague 
was born (January 28, 1903).  I have never been able to locate my 
father's birth record in it, even though I have found his father in 
Tepetongo (Rancho Salitrillo) and others there back to the early 
1700's. While I was loading the film yesterday, I noticed that the 
title of the book filmed was "Bautismos de Hijos

Congratulations, Joseph, on breaking through your brick wall.  It
gives me hope that I can also break some brick walls of my own!

Also, I sympathize with you being "cansado" from all you duties and
chores as a group admnistrator.  You seem to have answered your own
questions from a

Linda,

Here's some additional information with what Arturo and Emile wrote.

Here is Marriage extract:
MANUEL ROMERO
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARCELINA DE LA TORRE
  Marriage:  19 OCT 1870   Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M603739  1869 - 1876  0218529

The couple had at least two children:
+ JOSE MARCOS ROMERO TORRE
Gender: Male Christening: 07 OCT 1871 Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, 
Mexico
+ JOSE SERAPIO ROMERO TORRE
Gender: Male Christening: 14 NOV 1872 Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, 
Mexico

Here is Marriage extract:
JOSE DE LA TORRE
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  ELENA ROMERO
  Marriage:  04 FEB 1880   Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged

here is an idea. Why not try to recruit some more people into the group
with roots in Tepatitlan de Morelos? Go to Rootsweb and to the message
boards and then in the search window enter "Tepatitlan de Morelos" and
then just plain "Tepatitlan." Have a look around for the messages of
people that seem to be serious and invite them to join Ranchos. I got
over a hundred hits on Tepatitlan and 27 for Tepatitlan de Morelos.

maybe go over

Emilie:

That is a very good write up to get somebody started on this 
research.  Be careful Linda, because once you start, it becomes a 
sort of addiction.  The more you find, the more questions pop up and 
the more you go looking.

Here is the IGI entry for your great-granparents' marriage in 
Tepetitlan.  The next step would be to go to your family history 
center and order this film.  It should list both the bride and the 
groom's parents and then you should be able to find their baptism 
records in IGI or VRI as well, and those often list grandparents in 
addition to parents so you get two generations in one swoop.

MANUEL ROMERO  
  Male   Family 
Event(s): 
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  MARCELINA DE LA TORRE  Family 
  Marriage:  19 OCT 1870   Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico 

Batch No.: M603739
Source Call No.: 0218529 Film



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Linda,
> 
> We mostly start by looking in the IGI in the FamilySearch

here is an idea. Why not try to recruit some more people into the group
with roots in Tepatitlan de Morelos? Go to Rootsweb and to the message
boards and then in the search window enter "Tepatitlan de Morelos" and
then just plain "Tepatitlan." Have a look around for the messages of
people that seem to be serious and invite them to join Ranchos. I got
over a hundred hits on Tepatitlan and 27 for Tepatitlan de Morelos.

maybe go over to some of the other large groups and see who is
researching that area.

you say you've been to SLC, but are you ordering films and seaching them
in the family history center close to you? What city do you live in?
Where are you stuck and which type of records have you researched so far
and during what time period?

joseph




Linda R Romero wrote:

My main focus is in Jalisco - Tepatitlan de Morelos to be exact. I
have not been able to find anything farther away than that little
burg. In fact, after lurking on this list all summer, I

My main focus is in Jalisco - Tepatitlan de Morelos to be exact. I
have not been able to find anything farther away than that little
burg. In fact, after lurking on this list all summer, I haven't
found anyone with a connection to my Romero/de la Torre family from
that area. You are all such good researchers. I've been to SLC and
copied information from the Baptismos from Tepatitlan and am trying
to connect the Romero/de la Torre names to my family. My father was
born there but told so many "stories" the truth is hard to find. He
even had us kids claim he was born in Guatamala throughout our school
years. I found the truth when I was an adult. He also never allowed
us to learn Spanish. What a character! So I'll keep lurking and
learning from all you great researchers.

  Where do you find all that good information?

Linda Romero
  Ramon Romero/Marie L. Hallstead
     Castulo Romero/Sophia de la Torre - Donald Hallstead/Merle Beltz

Manuel Romero

Congratulations on breaking through your brick
wall...I'm jealous, wish it was me.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> 
> elviraz wrote:
> 
> >>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because
> I do not
> >>see much discusion about the ranchos we were
> supposed to be
> >>finding out about.
> >>
> >>Elvira
> >>
> Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact
> I didn't break 
> through it I pulverized it into non existence. I
> started off by not 
> knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to
> finding it by a collection 
> or oral history and the brief mention of a surname
> on my mom's death 
> certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I
> made contact with some 
> that told me that they were related to this
> grandmother and that she 
> came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my
> grandmother, Antonia 
> Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a
> Rancho not far from 
> Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and
> Rosalia Garcia. Her 
>