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I think the group should stay like it is now.  That is
my vote!
--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> No.  I like what we're doing.    Sorry you're
> feeling overwhelmed, dear 
> Joseph.    Marge:)
> 
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I grow weary.
> >
> >  I can't go any more than how I'm going.
> >
> >  If we were to get a few moderators to handle all
> the added traffic and
> >  keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might 
> > consider
> >  opening up the research area. But truthfully I
> can't handle anymore 
> > and
> >  if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is
> >  I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the 
> > wall.
> >  This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
> >
> >  For that matter why not just everyone move over
> to Jonathan's group? 
> > its
> >  already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall
> its the membership
> >  that

I grow weary.

I can't go any more than how I'm going.

If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and
keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider
opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and
if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is
I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.
This group might need a new Moderator

Congratulations, Joseph, on breaking through your brick wall.  It
gives me hope that I can also break some brick walls of my own!

Also, I sympathize with you being "cansado" from all you duties and
chores as a group admnistrator.  You seem to have answered your own
questions from a previous message.  

Easy does it!  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
> through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
> knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a
collection 
> or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
> certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
> that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
> came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia 
> Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from 
> Huejucar

Hurray!!!!! Congratulations!!!!



On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

elviraz wrote:

And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not

see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be

finding out about.



Elvira

last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos maternos are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia Lopez had

No. I like what we're doing. Sorry you're feeling overwhelmed, dear Joseph. Marge:)



On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I grow weary.



I can't go any more than how I'm going.



If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and

keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider

opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and

if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is

I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.

This group might need a new Moderator before too much longer.



For that matter why not just everyone move over to Jonathan's group? its

already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall its the membership

that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all join that group also.

There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without restriction.



there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago about 15 months or so we

opene

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
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From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Bigger is not better.  Let's keep the group and states
as they are.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I grow weary.
>
> I can't go any more than how I'm going.
>
> If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the
> added traffic and
> keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might consider
> opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't
> handle anymore and
> if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is
> I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the wall.
> This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
>
> For that matter why not

Bigger is not better.  Let's keep the group and states
as they are.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> I grow weary.
> 
> I can't go any more than how I'm going.
> 
> If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the
> added traffic and 
> keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might consider 
> opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't
> handle anymore and 
> if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is 
> I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the wall. 
> This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
> 
> For that matter why not just everyone move over to
> Jonathan's group? its 
> already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall
> its the membership 
> that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all
> join that group also. 
> There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without
> restriction.
> 
> there is nothing

I grow weary.

I can't go any more than how I'm going.

If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and
keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider
opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and
if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is
I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.
This group might need a new Moderator before too much longer.

For that matter why not just everyone move over to Jonathan's group? its
already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall its the membership
that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all join that group also.
There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without restriction.

there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago about 15 months or so we
opened up and took in Aguascalientes. I'm all in favor of taking in all
of historical Nueva Galicia. But I just don't have the energy to do it.

hey why

----- Original Message -----
From: "elviraz"

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos

Joseph,

I have always been a little puzzled as to why San Luis
Potosi is not part of Ranchos.  Seems to me it should since
part of San Luis Potosi at one time used to part of the
region  of Zacatecas.  One of my greatgrandfathers was born

in SLP when part of it belonged to the region of Zacatecas.
By the way, he called himself Zacatecano. The Zavalas have

always been from Zacatecas.

It seems to me that we need a good history lesson as to
where the boundaries were for the 1800s and before, where
most of us are going with our genealogy.  The boundaries for
the reinos changed according to the person reporting the
information.


I think we need to define the Ranchos area of coverage to
cover the actual physical boundaries of where Jalisco,
Zacateacas and Aguascalientes  really were according to the

And speaking of Michoacán....  If we were to speak about the old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and Sinaloa.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
wrote:
>
> Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher
> wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their
> research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph
> has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share
> research.
>
> I'm truly learning as I go in the
genealogy but have learned that
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since
>

And speaking of Michoacán....  If we were to speak about the old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and Sinaloa.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher 
> wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their 
> research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph 
> has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share 
> research.
> 
> I'm truly learning as I go in the genealogy but have learned that 
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or 
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since 
> they followed established roads for migration after the soldiers 
> made them safe to establish

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for
the
ranchos group:

From time to time people not from our geographical
area express intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:

maybe there is a
misunderstanding. we are focused on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. I don't understand why you would be interested in this group?
Now if you "THINK" that you might have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you
for a 1 year temporary membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year
depending on how much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or
Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.

is this what
you'd like to do?

Do you agree with this? Or should I make special
exceptions for those

Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher 
wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their 
research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph 
has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share 
research.

I'm truly learning as I go in the genealogy but have learned that 
our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or 
Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since 
they followed established roads for migration after the soldiers 
made them safe to establish new pueblos, towns and states. Or some 
of us had ancestors who were soldiers and they were moved from place 
to place.  I always said my Gutierrez and Mendez families was from 
Jalisco but I've discovered they arrived in Jalisco about 1775 from 
Michoacan and were only in Michoacan for about 50 years so they had 
to come from someplace else before that! Even though my focus is 
still in the states we are grouped together

Joseph,

This is a though one.  I'm not deciding yet how to vote but I just
want to add a comment.

I understand how certain people might want to join the group just to
see what they can get out from it without making any contribution in
return, or extract information for non-genealogical purposes.  This is
not acceptable.

However, I'm sure there must be at least a few good researchers and
genealogist who, although not directly rooted in the Ranchos
geographical area, can act as bridges to other genealogical groups in
Mexico, US, Iberia, the Caribean, etc.  I for one have membership and
visit several groups  even in places where I still haven't found any
ancestors.  I have directed to this group a few persons who I knew
were interested in the Rancho's region but were unaware of this
group's existence.

Maybe the solution isnt'a yes-no, let-them-all-in / keep-them-all-out
situation.  How about adding another level or layer of protection to
the files or information that we want to

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
ranchos group:

>From time to time people not from our geographical area express intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:

maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are focused on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes. I don't understand why you would be interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you might have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year temporary membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year depending on how much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.

is this what you'd like to do?

Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions for those "high quality" researchers that express interest in the group?

I'm torn between being "fair" to all and the possible benefit to "all" from letting a top researcher into the group.

what do you all think?

So far all of our polls have been invalid for

I'm wondering if everyone is participating in the who's who database? if

I prefer you move them, Joseph. I haven't a clue (and don't want one) about it. Memarge:)

On Nov 2, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

thanks Carol, Marge, Helyn, and Maria for volunteering. I'll eventually get your files moved over, but if you all feel energetic you could move them yourself, otherwise I'll do it. If you do take a try at it keep the same format as is found: your name (email address), locations being researched, etc.



thanks,



joseph



Carol Turner wrote:

It's fine with me too.



Carol

--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:

Jofes, whatever you deem best. You're the boss!

Marge V.:) I need to

redo mine anyway, I think.:)

On Nov 2, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Is there anyone in the Ranchos1 files area that

would be willing to

let

me move your files to the Ranchos2 files area?



thanks,



joseph







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I'm wondering if everyone is participating in the who's who database? if
not please go there now and fill your very detailed info in. But I'm
also wondering if those that are more database savy can answer this. .
.is there room for another catagory without having to redo the whole thing?

Reason I'm asking is that recent events have pointed out that members
should have a place where they can let other members know what areas
outside of the Ranchos Target area they are researching. So If i find
that so and so is searching in Juarez, Chihuahua for Perez well then
I'll fire off a PRIVATE email to so and so telling them about all my
Perez from there.

So what do you think. . .I think you see where I'm going, but no I'm
very very resistent to opening the group up to wholesale research for
the whole world. We are and will remain focused on Jalisco, Zacatecas
and Aguascalientes. But having said that why not lets groom other
group-masters to start their own group for some of