Introduction

Hello or Holla to everyone,
My name is Hope Carmona Wilson and I am looking for information on my 
gg parents from Mexico. Like so many of us who are American by birth 
and who are searching for history of our past family memebers from 
Mexico,it seems to be like looking for a needle in a hay stack.I am 
very happy to have found you all.The information I am researching is 
for my maternal ggg mother.
Her name was Anselma Rodriguez, born 1860 in Nochitzlan, Zacatecas, 
Mexico.She died and was buried in Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico date?? She 
married Epifanio Ramirez,born 1850(about)His parents were Rogelio 
Ramirez & Estanisla Duran. No other information known. Via FamilyTree 
DNA testing I learned I belong to the HVR1 B GROUP. This is a native 
american group which makes sence since back then, there was no United 
States.
As I learn more information I will be happy to help others in thier 
search.
Again, I am very happy to be part of this group.
Hope aka Esperanza




Mexico Travel

Mary:

About getting around in Mexico... as someone noted earlier, the bus 
system is very good in Mexico.. nothing like Greyhound.  There are 
luxury buses that are almost always on schedule and do non-stop 
trajectories between major cities.  You should be able to get from 
Mexico City to Guanajuato without any problems on such a bus.  I have 
rented cars before and driven and believe me I enjoyed the buses much 
more.

As far as maps, the Secretaria de Communicaciones y Transporte has 
very detailed up-to-date road maps of every state in Mexico:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

You can also order a Guia Roji, which is the premiere road atlas of 
Mexico and is updated annually as well.

http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/store/strProductDetail.jsp?
prod_id=9706214186

The SCT map can be searched in Adobe Reader.  From what I can tell, 
there are a number of San Felipes in Guanajuato.  The largest city by 
the name is at the intersection of Highways 51 and 37 in the northern 
part

Mexico Travel

Mary Allen wrote:

Message: 7     Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005
19:49:29 -0700 (PDT)      From: Mary Allen
mary.allen3770@...      Subject: Re: collecting
oral history

Thank you, Natalie: I have gone to the section you
recommend and am trying to prepare myself for a good interview. One of the
persons I will visit is in her 90s so I will try to do it right the first
time.

Mary

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi
Mary!      Your message above reminds me of what I just
learned a couple of weeks ago.  I interviewed a 91 year old cousin (by
marriage) of my mother who provided me with some good
information........although my cousin (her son) told me that his mom's memory
was fading!  Yes, she did have some trouble remembering some things, but
what I did was refer to my Family Group Sheets on that particular family and
 "sort of jog her memory" and it worked!   I went slow......did
not push things on her, made it like an ordinary

Haplogroup A ancestor

Message: 8       Date: Wed, 19 Oct
2005 03:55:34 -000        From:
"Erlinda Castanon-Long"

Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor

Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group A
16111T 16223T 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A

Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing?

Linda in Everett

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Hi Linda.....Hi
Victor!

Is this what you are
referring to (below)

 

 

HVR1 Haplogroup

A

HVR1 differences

from CRS

16223T

 

16290T

 

16319A

 

16362C

I just printed all this out
last night and really did not read it (properly) due to a lack of time.  I
have been in Houston for a week and unable to do "my thing" with my
genealogy/DNA projects.  What do these numbers mean?   If any
match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we have a common ancestor
"somewhere"

Haplogroup A ancestor

Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group A
16111T  16223T  16290T  16319A 16335G  16362C 16526A

Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing?  

Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
 wrote:
>
> Linda and Josie,
> 
> These are my HVR1 numbers: HVR1 Haplogroup A
> 16075C, 16111T, 16223T, 16239T, 16290T, 16319A, 16362C
>  
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my 
research  
> > I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
> > Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line 
goes 
> > from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's 
female 
> > line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my 
line 
> > help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of 
names.  
> > In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula 
Jalisco 
>

collecting oral history

Thank you, Natalie:  I have gone to the section you recommend and am trying to prepare myself for a good interview.  One of the persons I will visit is in her 90s so I will try to do it right the first time.

 

Mary

Natalie wrote:

Mary,
Have you had a chance to search the message archives here. There was a
discussion of the collection of oral histories last spring. Enter oral
history in the search box to bring up those messages.
Also, check the "Ancestry.com" site >go to Learning Center >type in
oral history - to bring up a multitude of references regarding
collecting oral histories. There is more to read than you probably have
time for, but maybe they will provide some additional ideas. Maybe
those that you interview can tell you about what the community was like
years ago.
Good luck on your trip.

Natalie Coleman in VA



collecting oral history

Mary,
Have you had a chance to search the message archives here. There was a 
discussion of the collection of oral histories last spring. Enter oral 
history in the search box to bring up those messages.
Also, check the "Ancestry.com" site >go to Learning Center >type in 
oral history - to bring up a multitude of references regarding 
collecting oral histories. There is more to read than you probably have 
time for, but maybe they will provide some additional ideas. Maybe 
those that you interview can tell you about what the community was like 
years ago.
Good luck on your trip.

Natalie Coleman in VA




Haplogroup A ancestor

Linda and Josie,

These are my HVR1 numbers: HVR1 Haplogroup A
16075C, 16111T, 16223T, 16239T, 16290T, 16319A, 16362C
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my research  
> I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
> Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line goes 
> from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's female 
> line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my line 
> help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of names.  
> In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula Jalisco 
> back to Chilchota Michoacan from about 1680 to 1780.. I picked up 
> almost 1,500 names from that dream!  I will never question what I 
> don't undertand again!
> Linda in Everett
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mary!    What you describe as "a strange

Haplogroup A ancestor

Josie I had the exact same experience as you, Early in my research  
I said I have  Espanol ancestors and then my mtdna came back 
Haplogroup A as you said is Native American.  My female line goes 
from Jalisco to Michoacan and I have matched 2 others who's female 
line was from Guanajuato. Also like you the "Muse's" from my line 
help me do genealogy at night!  Not much sleep but lots of names.  
In fact from a dream my Gutierrez line went from Tamazula Jalisco 
back to Chilchota Michoacan from about 1680 to 1780.. I picked up 
almost 1,500 names from that dream!  I will never question what I 
don't undertand again!
Linda in Everett
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
wrote:
>
> Hi Mary!    What you describe as "a strange feeling" is a good 
thing!!!  It
> happens to me all the time and the first time (a few years ago) I 
did not
> understand what was happening!  I now feel that it is the 
ancestors way of
> telling us that they are helping us!  I also

Travel in Mexico

Hi
Mary!    What you describe as "a strange feeling" is a good
thing!!!  It happens to me all the time and the first time (a few years
ago) I did not understand what was happening!  I now feel that it is the
ancestors way of telling us that they are helping us!  I also dream of them
(I even "attended" a wedding on 15 Aug 1810 of one of my ancestors!) and that
dream is still quite vivid in my mind.  When I travel in Mexico I feel like
"I am at home" and I expect to "see people that I know".........quite a strange
feeling!  The odd thing is that I do not know of any living relatives I
have in Mexico, other than a few "primos & primas" that are younger than I
am!!!  But that does not count!!!  I want to meet OLD people who can
tell me their stories!  :-) 

Today I just received
the DNA results for my mother's line (using my brother's DNA) and I spoke to a
person at the lab in Houston that does the testing.  She told me that my
maternal line shows a large "Native American"

Mexico Travel

Hi Mary & Victor!    Victor is right,
Mary!  It seems that things have changed a lot when one travels now. 
I travel a lot and have flown to MX City alone and boarded a bus to Oaxaca to
visit my daughter a few years ago....alone.  It was all very pleasant and
everything went well for me.......and that was the first time I had travelled
alone by bus in Mexico.  I will say this:  Mexico has VERY NICE BUSES
as well as those "chicken buses" you hear about.  I have travelled on
both!  Sometimes you have to take what you can get!  :-)  When I
travelled by "chicken bus" it was to a nearby village and I was with my daughter
so it was all ok.  It is also very important to "downplay" everything as
much as possible......I only wear earrings as jewelry....no rings, etc.; I dress
comfortable.....no heels!........I speak the language......when I have
to!......I try not to let on that I am not from MX.....but as soon as I open my
mouth they know!   They tell me they detect my Texas

Fancy Gadgets for Genealogists

In case anyone was wondering what the gadgets that Emilie is talking 
about look like and cost... I am a big technology junkie but the film 
scanner is way beyond my means.

http://www.heritagecreations.com/products/st100.php

http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=119781

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Mary, I don't know how much you know about all the new-fangled 
technical gadgets besides audio recorders and digital cameras that 
are available to serve our genealogy purposes, but if you could, 
maybe you could get some and take them with you.  You might be able 
to access some computers in certain towns at internet cafes too if 
you can't take a laptop along.  The people at the genealogy society 
here and at the local FHC have some amazing things.  One lady showed 
me a gadget she uses to scan books.  Honest, it was no bigger than a 
ruler and she would start at the top of the page and move it down, 
then she showed me on the

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico



Mary Allen wrote:
Emilie:  I am basically self-taught when it comes to computers and things technical or electronic.  Just recently I bought a scanner which my brother installed.  He gave me a few quick lessons.  Don't you just hate it when they say, "It's easy."  It's not.  But I have had fun scanning photos and documents and e-mailing them to my cousins.  We have met with a purpose to meet monthly and  work really  hard on the oral history.  It's amazing how many times someone says "Oh, I didn't know that.  Are you sure?"  So, we have started an ongoing history under different topics.  For example: did anyone every see Grandma Garcia smile?  No one.  Then while scanning photos I found several where she is smiling.  So now the quest is to find out when she stopped smiling and why.  I think I know.  Then I bought an Adobe photo program. I glared at my brother before he could say "It's easy." It's not,
but I am having fun trying to decipher the handbook. But I

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Emilie:  I am basically self-taught when it comes to computers and things technical or electronic.  Just recently I bought a scanner which my brother installed.  He gave me a few quick lessons.  Don't you just hate it when they say, "It's easy."  It's not.  But I have had fun scanning photos and documents and e-mailing them to my cousins.  We have met with a purpose to meet monthly and  work really  hard on the oral history.  It's amazing how many times someone says "Oh, I didn't know that.  Are you sure?"  So, we have started an ongoing history under different topics.  For example: did anyone every see Grandma Garcia smile?  No one.  Then while scanning photos I found several where she is smiling.  So now the quest is to find out when she stopped smiling and why.  I think I know.  Then I bought an Adobe photo program. I glared at my brother before he could say "It's easy." It's not,
but I am having fun trying to decipher the handbook. But I know what you mean and I so admire those

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Mary, I don't know how much you know about all the new-fangled technical
gadgets besides audio recorders and digital cameras that are available to
serve our genealogy purposes, but if you could, maybe you could get some and
take them with you.  You might be able to access some computers in certain
towns at internet cafes too if you can?t take a laptop along.  The people
at the genealogy society here and at the local FHC have some amazing
things.  One lady showed me a gadget she uses to scan books.  Honest,
it was no bigger than a ruler and she would start at the top of the page and
move it down, then she showed me on the computer what it had scanned. 
Amazing.  Then others have these little tiny things no bigger than a
lipstick case that attaches to the back of the computer and they upload or
download all sorts of stuff.  There are also these microfilm viewers that
attach to your laptop so you can download images directly, no need for a copier,
etc.  They also have

Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Thank you, Joseph.  With all the wonderful suggestions I am receiving, it will be possible to put together "Oral History Interview 101"  This is really important because one could blow a meeting and even cause annoyance or alienation.  It already happened with our last surviving uncle.  I asked an innocent  question and hit a nerve.  A good warnwing for newcomes; we don't need to learn some things genealogical by experience. Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Mary just a quick word about collecting Oral history. You probably have been doing it for a long time so please excuse me saying stuff that you might already have been practicing (just pretent that I'm talking to someone else). I've found that if you go into an "interview" loaded with questions you won't get as far a if you just let "them tell their story (their stories)." Many times asking "when did so and so pass?" will make for a difficult question as compared to "Were you married when so and so died? . . .and "were any of

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forsale or offers to other members. I will control this if it gets out
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the messages and send them out once a month. Some of these hobbies are
definitely genealogy related. I'll be involved in this as well but am
not ready to get involved yet.


joseph



Collecting Oral History: Re: Travel to Mexico

Mary just a quick word about collecting Oral history. You probably have
been doing it for a long time so please excuse me saying stuff that you
might already have been practicing (just pretent that I'm talking to
someone else). I've found that if you go into an "interview" loaded
with questions you won't get as far a if you just let "them tell their
story (their stories)." Many times asking "when did so and so pass?"
will make for a difficult question as compared to "Were you married
when so and so died? . . .and "were any of your children born yet when
so and so had passed?" Later you can calculate from their birth the
date. Something about asking them to remember exact dates that throws a
wrench in the whole works. I have had good success with questions like:



"Tell me about what things were like when you were in grade school?"



"Tell me what it was like during the depression?"



"Tell me what things were like when you were 20 years old?"



"Oh, tell me more about that story?"



"Oh

Travel to Mexico

thanks!!  Mary

Josiett3@... wrote:





   Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Mary Allen


Guanajuato.  I found
photos and a lot more information.

Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you
travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a
bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried
mine with me.  It can be a small, light-weight one but anything is a
big help when you are talking to someone and cannot get your point

across!  :-)  Good luck on your travels and I hope you find a wealth of
information! 
Josie in San Antonio, TX
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Travel to Mexico

Thank you, Victor.  Now I know where San Felipe is located and it is not a surprise visit. And I will purchase a cellular phone.  There are two more places I need to visit, but perhaps not on this trip: San Luis Potosi, SLP and Salinas, SLP.  Something to look forward to.
 
It's a strange feeling: I have been working so intensely on this project for the last few weeks.  Now that I have a few photographs,  their faces  are so etched on my mind that I dream about them.  I feel as if I know them and I am just going to go "meet" them on their own turf.  I have been sharing each step with my family and we all feel as if something great is about to happen, as if one of them walked in the front door, we wouldn't be surprised.  It's just  that we have been looking for them for so very long and now, suddenly, they start to appear with their stories, some of them quite sad. They are more than names and dates and pictures; they are real.  As if they are coming home to us.
 
Mary

"v.h.villarreal"

Travel to Mexico

Mary,

I'd say that traveling by bus is OK, as bus drivers know the roads
very well.  Of course this isn't a surprise visit, right?  It might be
worth buying one of those cheap cellular phones to keep in touch with
your contacts. 

San Felipe is located in the northern part of Guanajuato.  To get an
overview of Guanajuato click on the following link.
http://www.guanajuato.gob.mx/turismo/frames/nuestroedo_2.html

For a detailed map of Guanajuato and preferably if you have a
braodband connection there's an excellent map in the next link:
http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/geografia/espanol/estados/gto/gto.pdf?c=459&e=11&CFID=966958&CFTOKEN=59264336

Hope this helps.  Enjoy!

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> Thank you to both Josie and Victor:
> I thought about that.  I hope that someone from those I meet in
Mexico City will offer to go with me to Guanajuato.  I have travelled
alone extensively, but now I think prudence is the best

Travel to Mexico

Thank you to both Josie and Victor:
I thought about that.  I hope that someone from those I meet in Mexico City will offer to go with me to Guanajuato.  I have travelled alone extensively, but now I think prudence is the best thing. I won't drive and if I can't find a companion, would going by bus be acceptable?  I understand it is a five hour drive from DF to the town of San Felipe, Guanajuato.  So far I can't even find it on the map.  Any advice is gratefully accepted.   Mary

"v.h.villarreal" wrote:

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>    Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>

Sena de Abajo and Sena de Abajo, Zacatecas

Can someone tell me where these two ranchos are located?

Can someone tell me anything about them?

I understand that families of Apache descendancy settled here  from
the US.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Elvira




Travel to Mexico

Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
>     Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Mary Allen 
>  
>  Guanajuato.  I found  photos and a lot more information.
> 
> Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you 
> travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a 
> bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried 
> mine with me.