Hola,
Gracias por aceptarme en este interesante grupo. Mi nombre es Adriana Lopez. Mis antepasados tambien han poblado la region del Bajio, he encontrado unos 200 nombres, algunos por comprobar. Me interesa informacion sobre esta region. Mis archivos los voy a ir anadiendo en https://nuestrosranchos.org/adilogue
disculpen la falta de acentos
I am looking for the father of Beatriz Vasquez Retamosa, who married
Juan Rodriguez de Chavarria on 6 March 1618 in Aguascalientes,
through a dispensa I found out Beatriz was daughter of Catalina
LOS ORGENES DE LOS PADILLA DAVILA EN ESPAÑA Y MEXICO
ESTUDIO-GENEALGICO
Guillermo Padilla Origel
padillaoguillermo@prodigy.net.mx
Ancestrado en su origen de las villas de Padilla d
A few months ago my book about the Reynoso was made available in Amazon and it includes a chapter about Nueva Galicia. Here is the link if someone is interested.
Dear Members,
I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara. I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile. I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660. I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription. It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists! Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details. It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to how people are related that are not even in his direct line. He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living. Finally, he was extremely rich. He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo, and inherited 124,000 pesos from his father, Fransisco Rodríguez Ponce, el Viejo. Given how long the will, is, I think I will post the relationships in a later post.
Below is the link to the will, which starts on image 159 and tgoes through to 177. When I have included the image number below it is either because I skipped a few images or because I know it will be significant for people's reference:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-W3NJ-H?i=158&cat=…
“En el Nombre de Dios Amen = Sepan quantos esta carta vieren como yo Dn. Fanco Rodrigues ponçe vezo y minero del Rl De Guachinango hijo Legitimo de franco Rodrigues ponçe ya difunto natural de la villa de lepe en los Reyos de Castilla y de Doña franca de Rentería y Velasco su lexitima muger viuda del suso dho. natural de Juchipila en este Reyo de la Galicia que [h]oy vive en el Rl de guachinango Como vesina del considerando la fraxilidad humana y la incertidumbre de esta vida y los peligros que [h]ay en ella…
Y primeramte Como el fundamto de mi Salbassion confiesso en la presencia de Dios y de la Virgen sanctissima Su madre y de tola la corte Zelestial que h vivido en al Fee Catholica…
Primeramte mdo y encomiendo mi alma a nro. Sr. Jesuxpto…
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Y tem mando y quiero que si nro Sr. Fuere servido de llevarme en el RL. De guachinango, mu cuerpo sea depositado en la Yglesia Parrochial del en el sepulco y entierro de mi buen padre y abuelo franco. Rodrigues ponçe y Alonso Rodrigues ponçe… y si mi fallesimiento me coxiegre fuera de dho RL. mi cuerpo sea depositado en la parte E Yglesia de el pueblo o ciudad donde me coxiere para que despes mis albaceas y herederos lo trasladen a la Yglesia de dho. Rl en en entierro de mi padre y abuelo como queda dicho io al entierro de misa. Doña maría verdugo y de todos los abalos que esta en esta ciudad en el convto. De Sto franco. En el Altar de nra. Ssa…
Ytem decalto que yo fui despossado y velado según orden de nra. sta madre yglessia in façie exlesie con doña Juana de abalos y vocanegra hijo lejitima de don. Diego de vocanegra y de Da. maría verdugo y abalos ya difuntos vesinos que fueron del pueblo de zayula y durante veinte as.que [h]a que somos casados poco mas o menos [h]emos tenido y procreado por. nros. hijos a Da. María ya Da. Juana y a don Diego y a Don Joseph u a Da. Fransisca y Doña Angela, declarolos por por nuestro hijo lixitimos y por nrs. Universales herederos.
Ytem declaro qe al tiempo y qdo Contraje el dho. matrimonio con la dha Da. Juana dabalos y vicanegra me hizo la dha. Da. Maria verdugo y abalas que als sason era ya viuda y tutota y curadora de las menores sus hijas escriptura y promisión de detoe de veyte mill pss …después que la dha mi s[uegr]a Su madre murió que me lo entero y pago don Joseph de villasr. mi cuñado y albaçea de la dha. Mi ssa. Doña maría verdugo y abalos …
Ytem declaro que por fin y muerte y por clausula del testamto de franco Rodrigues ponse mi sr. Y padre que este en gloria herede ciento y veinte y quatro mill seysientos y ochenta y cinto pesos con lo mejorado en el tersio y Remaniente del qunito que quedaros en sis haciendas… A que me Remito y A la partission que de dhos. Bienes se hizo entre mi sr. Y m adre doña franca de Renteria y Don Pedro de Vidarte y pardo esposo y como tal con poder de doña catalina de Renteria y ponse su muger y mi hermana y entre don ferdo de oñate y mendoza como conjunta person de Da. Angela de Velasco y Rentería su esposa y mi hermana…
Ytem declaro que las cassas de vivienda que son de cal y canto que el dho. mi Padro labro y edifico en el Rl. De guachinango me pertenecen con todas sus entradas y salidas, usos y costumbres po claussula expressa que el dho. mi sr. Y Padre dexo en su testamento. Que fuesen y pertenesiessen al hijo que se quedasse a vivir en ellas en dho. RL. Y poa ver yo quedado y vivido en ella como acutalmte vivo por dha clausula me pertenecen y son mias…
Ytem declaro qe con mi primo nicolas de Rovera mi mayordomo mayor y a azoguero tengo quenta asentada …
Ytem declaro qe con el Br. Pedro Rubio felix mi Compe Como Beneficiado del dho Rl. Y Cure del le tengo asentado salario Por la administassion de los santos sacramentos tressientos y cincuenta pesos por casa un año…
Bienes:
Primeramte declare las cassad de mi vivienda y morada de cal y canto qe me dejo mi sr y Padre…
Ytem declaro por mis bienes un molina de a caballo que esta en el Rl de guachinango de moler metales…
Ytem declaro qe en dho RL y en sis contornos tengo nueve sitios de ganados mayores y doce Caballerias de tierra que los señores Governadores deste Reyo me hizieron merd…
Ytem declaro por mis bienes qe tengo en dho RL de Guachinango veinte esclavos y esclavas chicos y grandes…
Ytem declaro Por mis bienes todas las minas y Partes de minas que tengo en el RLdel Roxo y sus contonors dos leguas en el Cerro de la mina grande y Sn Juan y Silojuchite, y Zerro del Rango y Panico y Zerro de la plata virgen…
Ytem declaro por mis bienes un molino de moler metales de agua qe tengo en el dho puesto del Roxo de ocho massos y otro de a caballo llamado montesuma…
Ytem declaro por mis bienes unas cassas de mi vivienda en el dho Roxo con adorno de ymagines mesa y cillas scriptorioa y cama
…
Ytem declaro pro mis bienes la estancia de cuyutlan con tres sitios de ganado mayor y cinco caballería de tierra…declaro que al tiempo y quando tenia poblada la dha hazienda de cuyutlan ympuse sobre ella una cappellania de tres mil ps. de principal con cargo de dos missas resadas casa semana por el anima de mis señores Pares y madre y mia y mis difuntos y llame por cappellan della al Ldo. Nicolas Ramos…
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Ytem declaro qe en el valle de tenamastlan provia de tecolotaln de la alcaldía mayor del pueblo de autlan de la nueva Spaña tengo una estancia de ganados mayores llamda Sn. Clemte y Caballerias de tierra que ube y compre a Jno de hortega Maldonado Como albasea de doña Juana de sea viuda de herdo Ximenes Calderon veza del dho valle ya difuncta Como tutor y curado de diego ximenes calderon su hijo en onse mil pesos la cual Compre en publica almondea con todas sus solemnidades de pregones edictos y informassiones… qe se Pagaban al Capn. Don Lucas Camberos como a tuto de Blas blanco vez de tzayula hijo de Jno Gaviño…Y solo la dha hazienda de Sto Clemte tiene dos mil ps. de principal que el Redito de los un mil ps. se paga a Alonso martin siruela como heredero del Ldo. Franco de Villalobos presvitero ya difunto los otros setessientos y cinquenta ps. De principal se paga el Redito dellos que son trentya y siete ps. Y medio en plata en cada un año y se pagan al Ldo. Geronimo de aguayo presvitero como a person que petenese la Cappellania que le Corresponde adho principal y doscientos y Cinqta pesos de principal que son de Reditos quince pesos Al ldo. Lorenzo de la cerva como a persona que sirve dhoa Capellania que los sitios de dha hazienda de Sto. Clemte que Compre que son ocho sitios de ganado mayor y dose Caballerias de tierra…
Y tem declaro que después de hecha la Compra Referida Compre a Da. Juana Cobarrubias el citio de los Yingenios y medio citio llamado el platanal y el medio citio de Sta. Cathalina todo por precio de mil y tresientos ps…
Y tem declaro por mis bienes lacassas de mi vivienda que todas son de abobe y terrado con sus aposentos Y oficinas de vivienda con sus corrales entradas y salidas… y una capilla de adobe con sus puertas y sachristia y un quadro grande de lienso con la pintura del gloriosso san Clemte sumo pontifice y martic con sus ornamentos Calix de Platta missal…
I thought this was an interesting video with regard to the Jewish Origins of 3 families who were originally from Spain and later migrated to Mexico. The Jewish origins of the Pacho, Alcocer, and Vera families, some of their decendants are later found in Jalisco. See video (18 minutes).
This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin.
Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?
If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…
Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in:
https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.
Hope you might find something useful.
Regards,
Dear Members,
I received an email today from Michael Araiza, that spurred me to revisit the Araiza-Medina line. He sent me the link to a marriage between Hernando de Arayze (yes, with an “e”) and María de Gusman in 1592, inquiring if it might fit the timeline for the marriage of Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina (d. 1665). My answer is long, but the short answer, is yes, I do indeed think if fits the timeline.
The main problem with this document is that it took place in Mexico City, and we had not previously had any link of the Araizas to Mexico City. So, I started doing some research. PARES yielded nothing, sadly. However, in familysearch and in my own document repository I found a couple things that may help make the connection.
I found the marriage of a Josephe de Arayça to Juana Martínez in 1623, and it turns out, he is the son of Hernando de Arayça and María de Guzmán. This marriage took place in Mexico City, but Joseph is listed as “natural de la ciudad de çacatecas.” I am therefore fully convinced that Joseph is the son of our Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán. This would mean that the Araizas did have some tie between Mexico City and Zacatecas. This also means that Juan de Araiza y Medina (?-1665) had a full brother we did not know about!
Looking back at Juan de Araiza´s will, it does say, and Michael Araiza pointed out some time back, that Juan de Araiza Medina had a slave named Nicolasa, who was 28-30 years of age in 1665, whom he inherited from his grandparents when she was four years old. “Y ten para cumplir y pagar este mi testamto. Declaro por mis bienes a una negra llamada Nicolassa de edad de Beinte y ocho a treinta años la qual [h]erede de mis aguelos que tendría entonces quatro años” (page 3 of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s will). This would suggest that his grandparents died around 24 years before 1665, so around 1640. Which set of grandparents, we do not know. However, the other thing this shows, I think, is that Juan de Araiza’s grandparents lived in the new world!
So, now that we do have a documented link between the Fernando de Araiza from Zacatecas and Mexico City, I think we can accept that the marriage of Hernando de Arayza and María de Guzmán in 1592 in Mexico City, as the marriage we have all been looking for at least a decade! It took place 23 Feb 1592.
Here is the link, and my transcription:
[Al margen] “Hernan.do de arayze y doña ma- de gusman
En beinte y tres de febrero de mill y quios y nobenta y dos yo goncalo fernandes aviendo echo
una amonestación y con ma. Del governandor En las da y amonestaciones y dispensasion despose por palabras de presente en su casa a herdo. De arayze hijo de Antonio de arayze y de Beatriz peres con
doña maría de gusmá hija de diego desquibel y de franca de gusman vzos desta ciudad hizieronse las amonestaciones y no ubo ynpedimento siendo tos Joan guerero y Joan de medina Sebastian reyes franco diaz texedor de tafetan –
Goncalo fernandez”
Now we know the names of Juan de Araiza y Medina’s grandparents! Antonio de Araiza and Beatriz Pérez and Diego de Esquivel and Francisca de Guzmán! Needless to say this opens up a whole new line of inquiry, because it means, that at the earliest, it was Antonio de Araiza who emigrated to New Spain. Now to find further evidence of this! It also, means, that Juan de Araiza y Medina was probably born in New Spain, rather than in Spain. Was he born in Zacatecas? If so, his baptism is lost because the records there do not go back to the 1590s. But to me, the link that was probably the tie between Zacatecas and Mexico City, is Juan’s grandparents, who probably stayed in Mexico City when Fernando moved to Zacatecas to participate in the mining boom. I would say that it would be ideal to find the will of Fernando de Araiza or maybe even of Antonio de Araiza.
Finally, I wanted to encourage us to form a group to look at the Protocolos of Guadalajara and to Index them. I will post a separate topic on this, but think this is a good place to point out that we are running short of church records, but there are many records yet to be indexed that may help us complete pieces of the puzzle like this one.
Happy hunting!
Sergio Sean Salés
My maternal line has stopped with a woman named Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi, married to Jose Juarez Delgadillo, my 9th great-grandparents. I don’t have an information on their births or marriage, my guess is that they are located in/around Cuquío, Jalisco.
I have arrived to her through my 8th great-grandmother Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, but I have little information for her.
I do have the marriage of Juana Gertrudis Juarez Carrillo, and Juan Manuel Delgado Pacheco (son of Francisco Delgado Lopez and Rosa Maria Pacheco Nuñez) on 5 June 1724, although much is lost to the large decay on the pages: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4YV-9?i=132
I want to continue with research into my maternal line, but in order to do that, I need to find more information on the life of Nicolasa Carrillo de Sandi. If anyone has information or familiarity of anything “Carrillo de Sandi”, or anyone who also has her in their tree, I would very much appreciate it!
Hello Everyone,
My name is Laura Villa and I am oringinally from Los Angeles County, California. My grandparents families come from Zacatecas. I have been working on gathering information, documents, and photos for over 15 years for our tree. I would be happy to share any information I have, and I would also love to connect with any relatives!
My grandfather was Manuel Jesus VILLA who spent most of his life in California. His parents were Margarito VILLA (born in 1881 in Juchipila son of Bruno Villa and Bernarda Perez) and his wife Maria ORTIZ (born in 1886 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter of Calixto Ortiz and Virginia Lara). Margarito and his wife moved back and forth between Mexico and California.
My grandmother was Soledad CASILLAS who was born in Nochistlan. Her parents were not married. They were Isidoro CASILLAS (born 1892 in Nochistlan, son of Severo Casillas Borroel and Daria Teran Tolentino) and Eusebia SOLIS (born 1895 in Tabasco, Zac., daughter or Bernabe Solis and Maximiana "Maxima" Rodriguez). Soledad immigrated to California, but her parents remained in Mexico.
My folder is: https://nuestrosranchos.org/laura107
Hola a todos los genealogistas:
En mis búsquedas encontré que desciendo de Nicolás de Murguía y de María Infante de Villegas, quienes fueron padres en Santa María de Los Lagos de:
1688 María
Seeking any assistance or information on Pedro Jose Montellano or Son Jose Maria Montellano either from Zacatecas or Ojuelos Jalisco, I found information related to Los Pinos or Magueyes Zac. however very limited.
Information I found in Ojuelos Jalisco, Montellano is spelled as Monteyano or Montejano, which could be a typo or possibly how it was spelled during that era.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Busco linea Familiar con relacion a Carlos Salas Jaramillo 1805-1833 posible padre Jose Tiburcio Salas 1738-1826 nacido en Villanueva Zacatecas
I believe I have found the resting place of one Francisco Campos Aguinaga. He died in 1915 after a mining accident in Southern Arizona a few years earlier. His civil death states he was put to rest at the Panteón Francés de la Piedad in Mexico City. (The other Panteon Frances was built in the 1940s.)
An acquaintance was able to get photos of the crypt and marker. However the surname on the larger crypt is different. It is marked "Familia Casasola." The marker at the foot of the crypt, "164," is the only indicator, that helped to find Francisco's plot. (I've included photos of the grave site.)
Other than the civil death record I have no other way to verify that this is our guy.
Now it gets interesting.
After help in locating the plot with help from the Mexican Consulate in Texas, and a genealogist in Mexico DF who took photos, the cemetery is now saying that the plot may not have been fully paid for back in the day. (Is this customary?) The family would like to help restore at least part of the crypt (hasn't been touched in decades were told). But so far I have no deed/land record to verify. (Should the cemetary have this? )
I'd like to obtain more sources about the burial and am asking the cemetery to provide such, especially since he was apparently buried there.
Im not sure where else to go on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
civil death:
Does anyone know of the Maciel Familia? Any history?
Gracias,
Elizabeth
So I was doing my usual researchy thing online looking at struggle lines like Diego de Trevino when I happened up a few older research documents you guys find interesting to add to your stash.
The entomology of the name was fascinating to me so I decided to see what towns they were actually referencing in Spain. So indeed I looked up Temiño, Spain. It is an fact a real town and that is indeed the way it is spelled. It is also the town where the references "Don Alfonso Ruiz de Temirio y Doña Sancha de Velasco". Even in the old research docs the the spelling varies. These are the ancestors that Baltasar Temiño references to prove his noble lineage in Zacatecas.
So while spelling would vary depending on the scribe and their educational and cultural background it is now evident to me that Baltsar Temiño is indeed a Temiño NOT Trevino. Now it could be that the town of Temiño could have old ties to the Condes de Trevino and they are from another branch they however achieved their "grandee status" through the primogenture given to them by Rey Enrique IV in Segovia in December 21 de 1470. They were being given the primogenture aka "La constitución del mayorazgo de los Temirio".
In fact is a Baltasar who is ACTIVELY seeking to not only show proof of nobility but HIS RIGHTFUL ownership to the grandee status of the Mayorazgo and to his descendants FOREVER. So now we have that settled I will move on, his brother comes back with the document from Spain in hand yes the same Fray and because he has joined the church he is not entitled to right of ownership or the title as written in the deed by the King. Furthermore Baltasar shows not just the document but 13 witnesses to prove he is who he says he is and proof of his heritage before his proofs are accepted and they were indeed accepted.
Now why do does this matter to our story of Diego de Trevino? Diego de Trevino is thought to come from the Temiños. Before I thought it might be possible now I am not too sure and we just might be able to cross this group of people off our lists.
There seems to be a clear distinction and not one of misspellings between the name Trevino and Temiño. In fact while both locations are in Burgos one is closer to the Basque region while the other is situated smack dab in the middle of Burgos. The town of Temiño even has the escudos/ family shield of the Temiño family granted to them with the deed. This is NOT the Trevino family or from Trevino the town.
I think I read here that the Diego signed his own name? Can I get a look at that if someone has this on here? I read Spanish paleography also so if you have anything you might throw my way I think I can help.
Meanwhile I will send you what I found online https://riubu.ubu.es/bitstream/handle/10259.4/2360/0211_8998_n235_p475-488.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Please let me know if you have found any updates on Diego de Trevino. I am leaning toward him definitely being a Trevino and not a Temiño especially considering this finding of there being a clear distinction between the 2 names historically with 2 completely different shields. Usually if they come from the same family they will show similar variations of quarterings and here we see they are clearly different. :)
I look forward to your responses and brainstorming!
I wanted to introduce myself to the forum. I'm Raymundo Muñoz from Brownsville, Texas. I've been researching (since COVID lockdown) about my fathers paternal side of the family since i know very little from about them and am wanting to know more since that's the last name I carry.
A few things that I know about my grandfather is that he originated in Teocaltiche, Jalisco and then moved to Matamoros area (supposedly fleeing Jalisco for beating up the son of his boss) where he married my grandmother and then immigrated to Huntsville, Texas. If you can see the attachment, it is confirmed (by my father) that his Pablo Muñoz and Virginia de Anda Quesada. If anyone can help confirm that if I am in the right path and lastly if anyone has any information on Jose Maria Muñoz and his spouse Pascuala Gutierrez.
Thank you,
Raymundo
Hi, I am fairly new to this forum so please excuse me if I do something wrong.
I have several ancestors from the Celaya area, and I am wondering if anyone has information about the parents of Pedro Buitrón Mujica AKA Pedro Vallejo born c.1700 in Celaya and married to Catarina Tena Padilla in 01/FEB/1736 in Celaya.
I am aware he is a "clandestine" son of Francisco Buitrón Mujica, and from the glances I was able to find as previews from "Los Tena de Celaya" by Rafael Nieto y Cortadellas, it looks like his mother might be Manuela Vallejo García (Daugther of Diego Vallejo Torres and Juana García Diosdado), but I haven't been able to find documentation to confirm this, so any help will be greatly appreciated.
I have read in "Retoños de España..." and in this forum that Mr. hfaizcorbe, you are and expert in the region so I would love to know if you have any information regarding this family.
Thank you in advance,
Salvador Rivas
Dear Cousin John:
The origin of the Hacienda de "Los Campos" is wide mentioned in a titled
manuscript " Historia de Montesa" by Don Guadalupe Diaz of Leon in the year
of 1895. In fact it is an historical story of the origin of the family Diaz