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Website Revival Update 2021-2031 Covered!!!

A few years back the website was a crossroads and the future looked dim. The site was down and Rosalinda Ruiz took the bull by the horns and organized the Nuestros Ranchos WorkGroup (Many thanks Rosalinda). Via that group a small group of individuals formed the Tech Group: Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley, Arturo and I but above and beyond the Tech Group was spearheaded by our Elite Webmaster Lee Ingram (Muchisimas!!!). Anyway as a result of the larger Workgroup a fund raising effort was started and with the help of 26 members a total of $776.24 was collected. Since 2021 when the site was revived Lee Ingram has been working tirelessly to get the site up and keep it up to date. During that time Lee had certain expenses with the work and just recently I was able to reimburse him for out of pocket monies spent and to pay forward for the webhosting and domain registration (Lee could explain it better). Anyway this email is to say that the approximate $800 was well spent for the past 4 years as well

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Joseph, thank you for sharing this incredible story, and thank you, all: Joseph, Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley and Arturo for the work and time you placed into this site. I'm happy to contribute monetarily once a means to do so is established.

Best regards,

Travis

Question and translation needed for marriage record of Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo?"

Hello and Happy New Year!

I have a question: when someone is called "criollo" in colonial records it usually implies they are born in Mexico from two Spanish parents, correct?

Is this a hard rule? Why would someone be called both mestizo and criollo in the same record? Because he is the son of one parent who was born in Spain, perhaps?

Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez, "mestiso soltero i criollo," probable, but unproven, son of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez (possibly Spanish) and Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza (noted as mestiza in multiple sources), both of Lagos. Cristóbal de Santoyo alias Pérez married June 1, 1668 to Ana Burgeño, daughter of Ysidro de Araujo and Beatris Burgeño alias López, in Santa Maria de los Lagos.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5RG-Y

My Spanish isn't proficient enough to understand the entire record - especially the notation in the margin. Would someone please look at it and translate or explain the record for me. This could be a game-changer for

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I have only seen the term 'criollo' used to mean place of birth or origin and not used to signify caste. Of the records that include the term 'criollo' for a person it will also include the person's caste (español, mestizo, indio, mulato.

Saludos,

Austin Pérez

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"...mestiso soltero i criollo de esta villa..."

In this instance, as well as in the other records on the same page, the writer used the word criollo to mean originario (autóctono o nativo de esta villa de Lagos), and not in the usual sense related to the castas colonial that one typically sees in these records.

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Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm a novice to colonial genealogy, and the learning curve is steep. Very appreciative of the assist.

Best,

Travis

Father/Baptism of Manuel de Lizalde-m 19 Feb 1697 at Cuquio (lived Apozol)

One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".

The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9 

While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.

I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.

I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a

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I can’t help you the Lizalde line, but there is something that seems off when you look at the marriages of their daughter Catarina.

 

Is listing Catarine de Lizarde as padres no conocidos in her second marriage an intentional or unintentional error?

Is there a dispensa in the second marriage between Catarina de Lizarde and Jose de Carbajal? 

 

23 Jan 1718

Catarina de Lizarde hija legitima de Manuel de Lizarde y de Maria de Ruvalcaba.

Blas Riuz Nunez hijo legitimo de Diego Ruiz Nunez y de Ana Gonzalez.

 

13 Feb 1736

Catarina de Lizarde hija de padres no conocidos viuda de Blas Ruiz.

Jose de Carbajal hijo de padres no conocidos.

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Don,

Thanks for commenting on the Lizarde/Lizalde family, and the marriage descrepancies. 

I have not come across dispensas for either marriage that Catarina de Lizarde/Lizalde was involved with. I believe the 1736 marriage with Jose de Carabajal stated "diligencias" was necessary, but this could be marriage information, and not a dispensa. Regardless, I have not found dispensas or marriage information records for Catarina. With her 2nd marriage to Joseph de Carabajal, as a widow, parentage was not normally required to be stated. Perhaps listing her parentage was more of a clerical error, then an actual acknowlegment of lack of known parentage.

Here are a few possible reasons for one marriage being "more complete" then the other:

a. Often only one person, frequently the groom, provided the information for the marriage. If he did not know the names of his spouse’s parents, he may have stated they were unknown rather than admitting he did not know.

b. If the marriage was a second marriage for

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Wesley, 

I have the same brick wall with regard to Manuel Lizalde, and also have found nothing naming his father. The Manuel Lizalde family ties back to my Zermeno family, hence my interest.

A Juan Lopez de Lizalde married Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza on 25 Jan 1585 in Lagos de Moreno. 

This family branch appears to be the same noted in a 1791 land record which discusses an even older 26 August 1602 land record in an area close to present day  "Las Animas" (Current day Yahaulica jurisdiction). 

This Juan Lopez de Lizalde was noted as owning caballerias in the area, and was noted as a Calvary soldier. It is highly likely to be the same Juan Lopez de Lizalde that married in 1585.  Either way, the land record places the Lizalde family in Yahaulica very early on, and presents a good likelihood Manuel Lizalde descends in some manner through this family.

Link: 1791 Land Record Link

Lee

 

 

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Hi Lee,

I'm unfamiliar with Manuel, but our family is descended from this same Juan Lópes de Lizalde and his wife, Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza. Are there any credible sources that prove Juan's parentage? 

So far, nothing I've found is provable, but I'm a beginner to colonial era genealogy. 

Best,

Travis

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For Miguel Lopez de Lizalde and wife Leonor Aberruza, little has been uncovered in typical online genealogy records that are available for searching/viewing via FamilySearch, Ancestry, ..etc.  

Some older records (pre 1600) are only available in person at major historical/genealogical libraries, institutions, private collections (manuscripts).  Fortunately for those of us researching the Lopez de Elizalde families, the following works by some reputable genealogists/historians provide sufficient information to ascertain the lineage of the Lopez de Lizalde family who first appeared in the Lagos de Moreno (Jalisco), and Aguascalientes areas by the 1580's.  

Three credible sources come to mind: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, Jaime Holcombe, and Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias.

1st Source -  The following from the book: (by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) Retonos de Espana en La Nueva Galicia, Tomo (book) V. Vol. 2 Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983.  I have not obtained the book, but excerpts from the

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There is a Catalina Carvajal (Garbaxal) Rivera (Ribera) from that time frame which may be worth investigating. She is the daughter of Francisco Carvajal and Cathalina Ribera

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Catalina Carvajal Rivera
Rick A. Ricci

New book/De nobleza inmemorial

I have completed my fourth book, titled De Nobleza Inmemorial, which documents families of proven nobility from Nueva Galicia and New Spain. The work consists of eleven chapters and eight essays on the subject of hidalguía, and will feature a prologue by my friend Jorge Barba Gómez, author of several books of genealogy.

The book will first be available in Spanish on Amazon, with an English edition to follow.

Chapters:

  1. Los Condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América: La rama michoacana de los Gómez Fraile.
  2. El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León.
  3. Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda.
  4. Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano.
  5. Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el nuevo mundo.
  6. Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz al nuevo mundo.
  7. Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del primer imperio mexicano.
  8. Una poderosa unión: los Villavicencio y los Colmenares.
  9. Los Grijalba en la provincia de Colima.
  10. Los Sotelo

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Erik,

That is very cool, will definitely check it out.

Thank you,

Edward

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Great news, Erik! I will surely order a copy!

Saludos,

Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Mr. Erick Reynoso, congratulations for your great work on the book, reading it has been thrilling and exquisite, besides the great quality of the print and the book itself, the information that you share has been really interesting in many dimensions. I hope we are yet to see many of your wonderful publications. Best regards.
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Hello Erik,

I am really looking forward to your latest book.  I have looked for it online, but I haven’t been able to find it. Please let us know when it is available to buy.

Thanks again for your excellent work,

Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Rick:

Thank you very much. The book is available on Amazon. I expanded it more so the content is the following:

1

Ontología de la nobleza y la hidalguía

2

La reconfiguración de la élite en Nueva España

3

El control del occidente novohispano: Nueva Galicia y Michoacán

4

El análisis técnico de la probanza

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La ambigüedad de la nobleza: Orfandad probatoria en los linajes de alto perfil

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Los condes de la Maza y sus parientes en América

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El legado de un explorador: Los descendientes de Juan Ponce de León 

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Los Orozco y Toledo: Un linaje entre la historia y la leyenda

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Una oligarquía invisible en el occidente novohispano: Los Navarro

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Los Ruiz de Esparza: Desde Pamplona hasta el Nuevo Mundo

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Los Señores de Mirafuentes: El viaje de los Fernández de Balduz a la Nueva Galicia

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Los Itúrbide y Huarte: La familia detrás del Primer Imperio Mexicano

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Un digno enlace: Los Villavicencio y los Colmenares

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Los Grijalba en la Provincia de Colima

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Los Sotelo: Nobleza zamorana en la Nuevo Mundo

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El linaje de los
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Congratulations Erik on your latest book. I look forward to reading it.   If I were to pick the three lineages that I am looking forward to the most is (1) Lomeli (2) Nuñez de Soto and Pantoja, and (3) your research on Juan de Portugal. 

Thanks again,

Rick

On the possible origins of Isabel de Mendoza, wife of Toribio Hernández de Arellano

Following the hypothesis that Isabel de Mendoza, wife of Toribio Hernández de Arellano, was a native (chichimeca?), I would like to leave this note for the benefit of future research. 

The proposition of a native origin for Isabel de Mendoza is not new, it predates the publication of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. This possibility was suggested by Mariano González-Leal during a private dinner at his house, years before Retoños was published. It is crucial to emphasize that this remains a speculative theory and no proof has been found. It is based on the following:

  1. Strategic. A marital alliance between a spaniard like the mayor Toribio Hernández de Arellano and an indigenous woman, particularly one of cacique lineage, would have been a strategic asset in the region of Santa María de los Lagos. This area was situated on a volatile frontier (frontera de chichimecas), and such unions could have been a method of securing alliances with indios amigos or indios de paz, thereby

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Hello Eric,

I too have wondered about the document that people have said exists that identifies Diego Hurtado de Mendoza as a relative of the Viceroy and father of Isabel Mendoza. This Diego Hurtado de Mendoza came over as criado of the Bishop. He was single when he came over, and the question remains on whether he traveled back and forth from Spain, or if he just stayed in Mexico after his first trip.  I believe he made more than one trip as the date of birth of Isabel is given by most genealogists as mid to late 1530’s.  If he really is her father then he would have had to come to Mexico earlier than his trip to Mexico in the early 1550’s. Because this Diego is connected to the viceroy, I believe that he worked first for him and that is why he most likely made more than one trip between Spain and Mexico. If he traveled  back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean as representative of the Viceroy and the Bishop, then that could possibly explain why there is not much written about his life

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I would like to clarify my statement.   Isabel de Mendoza was born in what is now Mexico, but she wasn’t full blooded native.  The Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that was identified as her father came over from Spain.   Diego was single when he came over and little is known about him except who he came over with and who he worked for.  I don’t have proof that he was her father, but he is the Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that a document said was her father. The clues that I still need to follow come from his employer. I am seeking out records that may reveal a little more about his time in Mexico. I do know Diego’s ancestry and he is closely related to other Mendoza’s that came over, both in Mexico and South America. It is clear that Isabel’s mother was native or a mestiza.  I do not know the identity of Isabel’s mother.

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you, Tristán and Rick, for your comments.

I hope we, or someone in the future, will eventually find documentation to prove those hypotheses. Researcher Rick Rodriguez posted an interesting comment on Isabel de Mendoza's Familysearch profile, which notes: "Isabel de Mendoza fue de india o mestiza. Esto se deduce porque varios de sus descendientes directos maternos resultaron con haplogrupo indígena." I hope Rick Rodriguez, if he is part of this group, can share more about his interesting finding.

I also have a question, Rick. What document proves that Diego Hurtado de Mendoza is the father of Isabel? And if he did have a daughter named Isabel, how does that connect her specifically to Santa María de los Lagos and to Toribio Hernández de Arellano? This would help clarify that the Isabel in question is not someone else with the same name.

Best regards,

Erik.

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Thank you Erik for sharing this interesting theory. 

Hoping to hear more on this research. I have also been following with great interest your recent thread on Toribio Hernández de Arellano and the possible connection to the Hernández family from Salamanca. No doubt that further evidence will emerge to confirm this association. 

Best regards, 

Tristán Díaz de León

Revisiting Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano

Greetings,

A recent forum topic (separate thread) that was sorting out the various Christoval Lozano's prompted me to revisit the parentage of Juana Lozano, who was married to Diego Reynoso y Renteria.

Christoval Reynoso y Renteria was a son of Diego Reynoso y Renteria and Juana Lozano.  Christoval Reynoso y Renteria did leave marriage information in both his marriages, the first in 1735 (to Gertrudis Flores de la Torre, and the last in 1741 (to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava).  

In his 1741 marriage to Anna Maria Gonzalez de Rubalcava he was noted as the widow of Gertrudis Flores de la Torre. It was also noted in this record that he was the son of Diego de Reynoso and Juana Lozano. The 1741 marriage information record (Mezquital del Oro) provided the relations between earlier Rubalcava family members (Matias and Joseph Rubalcava),  which are all noted at the following record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15212-19282-45?cc=1804458

Besides the 2nd marriage information listed

Information on Miguel Munoz (parents or siblings)? before 1634

Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez de Portugal married Feb 1st 1634.

They were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and had 3 chidren.

Diego Munoz b Sept 11 1634

Antonio Munoz b Aug 28 1636

Juan Munoz b Jul 22 1638

They were all born in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

I descend from Juan

 

Does anyone have any information about Miguel to find more of my paternal line?

Any assistance on places to check on this would be greatly appreciated.

It is interesting to note that there is extensive information on line showing that his wife Mariana Gomez de Portugal is a direct descendant of King Manual the 1st of Portugal, although illegitimate.

Thanks 

David Munoz
 

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Miguel's wife Mariana de Portugal had an aunt with the same name that married Bernardino

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Son Diego is named with the compound last name Muñoz Rubio in his marriage with Josefa Martín de Bocanegra:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5T4-B?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 410 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

and also in his marriage with Mariana del Ángel (de los Ángeles), in which his father is named as Miguel Muñoz Rubio:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-8?cc=1874591&wc=3J6F-… : 15 December 2021), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 > image 440 of 523; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

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Austin 

First off I would like to thank you for looking into this for me.

Looking at the birth records for the the 3 boys Antonio, Diego and Juan, Who were born to Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez. There is no reference of the Rubio name attached to Miguel. However the baptism record for child of Diego and Josepha is in the right time period. Diego's parents were listed as Miguel Munoz and Mariana Gomez in his baptism, so I don't think Rubio is part of this family, or at least I have not been able to confirm yet. The search continues .

Thanks again

David M.

 

Birth registration term "enero proxima pasado"

Hello

I have seen the term "enero proxima pasado" on a birth registration. Date of registration is February in 1911, date of birth is 29 January. 

AI says the term indicates that the birth was in January of the year before (that would be in 1910). However, I am not sure AI is correct. Anyone else ever interpret this term/phrase?

The birth registration itself is from Guanajuato which is off-topic, but the issue is one that could show up in records from Jalisco and Zacatecas - which share a border with Guanajuato - and Aguascalientes. (One branch of the family in question - Araiza - may have come originally from Jalisco.) 

Best regards

Denise Fastrup

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la familia Araiza tiene sus inicios debidamente documentados  en CDMX, posteriormente se traslada a Zacatecas y Aguascalientes y de allí se diversifica a otras regiones; termino mi investigación en el norte de Guanajuato.

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Hello Austin

Thank you for your quick response. I have a birth record for a baby born in 1910 (with the phrase enero proximo pasado) and a death record for a girl who died in May1911 at age 1 yr 1 month. Trying to see if could be the same individual. Bit of a mystery! Parents names are the same and the ages too.

Thanks again!

Denise

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Hello Denise,

The expression "próximo pasado" is used to refer to the immediately preceding day, week, month, or year. In your example the birth date would be 29 Jan 1911.

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

Antonio Cornejo Riojano

Hello to everyone,

I have been researching Antonio Cornejo Riojano with the purpose to discover more information and get a better picture of this person, who several of us here descend from. I have received a lot of assistance in the past from Rick and Dibleet, who found his birth registration from 1658, (year listed as his birth but had not been able to find before) to an Alonso Cornejo and Francisca de Acosta. 

Ozumba. Religious Legitimation Records 1650–1664 | San Pedro Atzompa. Religious Marriage Records April 1662–February 1666

 

I will use this post to add any information I come across about Antonio, please feel free to add anything, so that we can uncover more information about him together.

I came across this record below of Antonio Cornejo today, which I think is very fascinating. Aside from the historical information it contains about landowners near the Jalos region in Jalisco, Antonio is mentioned several times throughout this source. The land record with "Antonio Cornejo Roxano

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Hello all, 

Here is a very interesting record. On image 569 it states,  "en el puesto de Tecameca", Manuel, Nicolas and Salbador Cornejo are named as "hijos de Antonio Cornejo Roxano." The sons sign the document and sign as "Nycolas cornejo ramires, Manuel cornejo and Salbador cornejo Ramires."

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-131D-2?view=fullT…

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I am just starting to scan through this record of Guadalajara. Land Records 1770 of which contains 610 images in total. Antonio Cornejo is in so many pages of this album. This will take a while to go through. I did locate another page with his signature, which is below.

Guadalajara. Land Records 1770

 

The below link, which is all part of the same Guadalajara. Land Records 1770, mentions Manuel Cornejo, his son and Antonio Cornejo, images 587 - 591. Image 591 has a map of land belonging to Cornejo.

Guadalajara. Land Records 1770

Thank you, 

Edward

ORIGEN DE LOS LÓPEZ DE LA CRUZ DE SANTA OLALLA??!

Hola prim@s,

Aquí las informaciones genealógicas del familiar y alguacil mayor del Santo Oficio, Domingo de Onís y Vela, y de su esposa, María Mancina, fechada el 11 oct 1684 en Llerena, minas de Sombrerete: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM4-J?cat=31792&…

María Mancina era de Tlaltenango y bisnieta de Miguel Rivera y Leonor Ortiz, de Guadalajara, esta última hija de Francisco López de la Cruz y Alfonsina de la Paz, naturales de Santa Olalla y vecinos de Guadalajara. Por eso se incluye la probanza de la familia López de la Cruz Haedo (o Ahedo), hecha en Toledo y en Vizcaya en 1616, y en nombre de los hermanos Diego, Alonso, Lorenzo, y Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo, y en nombre de Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo su sobrino, hijo de su hermano Francisco, ya difunto. Los cinco hermanos eran hijos de Juan de la Cruz, vecino de Santa Olalla: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-W91B-D?cat=31792&…

Se describe cómo su abuelo

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These are records relevant to Bachiller Francisco Lopez de la Cruz, son of Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Alfonsina de la Paz. He was the cura beneficiado del partido de Tlaltenango. His name is seen in various records - in the almoneda de bienes of his mother, Alfonsina de la Paz: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69X3-W?i=303&cat=…, and as a witness for records regarding his siblings: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69FV-2?i=137&cat=…

Here’s his Informaciones, found at PARES. It’s dated 1600 in Guadalajara, with witness interviews. The document is in pristine condition and is easy to read; it establishes Francisco as son of Francisco cc Alfonsina, and how they were antiguos pobladores of Guadalajara, and gente honrada y principal etc: https://pares.mcu.es:443/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/344700

This one is dated 3 Mar 1603, and he appears to be requesting compensation for being beneficiado of Tlaltenango? https://www

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According to the probanza from 1616, the Lopez de la Cruz Haedo line would look like this:

    i.    Pedro de la Cruz, Señor de la Casa y Solar de Haedo (o Ahedo)
    ii.    Diego López de la Cruz cc ?
    iii.    Juan de la Cruz cc ?
    iv.    Francisco, Diego, Alonso, Lorenzo, Cristóbal López de la Cruz Haedo

With the information that I have, this would be Maria Mancina’s descent from Francisco Lopez de la Cruz and Alfonsina de la Paz:

    i.    Juan de la Cruz cc Marina Álvarez
    ii.    Francisco López de la Cruz cc Alfonsina de la Paz
    iii.    Leonor Ortiz cc Miguel de Ribera
    iv.    Miguel de Ribera cc Catalina Gonzalez
    v.    Magdalena Ribera cc Gerónimo Mancina
    vi.    María Mancina cc Domingo de Onís y Vela

It would make sense that Francisco Lopez de la Cruz Haedo and Francisco Lopez de la Cruz cc Alfonsina de la Paz were the same person - why else would they include that probanza in the folder? But chronologically, there are some problems:

1. Francisco Lopez and Alfonsina de

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For those who descend from Miguel de Ribera and Leonor Ortiz, here is his testamento: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-696T-5?i=366&cat=… and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69FL-3?i=136&cat=…

And here, Leonor Ortiz, on behalf of her minor children,  grants power to Geronimo Arias: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6961-G?i=386&cat=…

And here is Geronimo Arias, acting on their behalf: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-69J6-M?i=42&cat=1…

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Gracias Agustín, por registrar los datos de los testigos; estoy seguro de que serán útiles para quienes desciendan de esas personas. Y si lo leí correctamente, no pudieron encontrar el acta de bautismo de Catalina González, esposa de Miguel Ribera: según quienes realizaban las diligencias, los antiguos libros parroquiales se perdieron en una inundación y fueron arrastrados por las corrientes del río, lo que explica por qué no hay registros anteriores a 1626 en Tlaltenango (!!).
Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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Como siempre, muchas gracias por compartir estas valiosas y detalladas informaciones.

Anexo a la petición de Domingo de Onís y Vela se encuentra la información de limpieza de su esposa María Mancina que se hizo en el pueblo de Tlaltenango entre los meses de marzo y julio de 1685, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-WSM9-3?cat=31792&….

Los testigos presentados fueron:

  1. El capitán Lucas Rubio Abarca, español, vecino del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 55 años de edad poco más o menos.
  2. Luis de Luna, español, vecino y natural [haber nacido] del partido de Tlaltenango, de 69 años de edad.
  3. Bartolomé de Luna, español, vecino y natural del partido de Tlaltenango, de 55 años de edad poco más o menos.
  4. Antonio de la O, español, vecino y natural del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 70 años de edad.
  5. Juan de Moreira, mulato libre, vecino de la jurisdicción de Tlaltenango y natural del pueblo de Tlaltenango, de 48 años de edad. Compadre de Jerónimo de Mancina y Magdalena de Rivera “…por