A new set, still in its box, may be sold at auction on eBay in January.  I don’t think it will be cheap.  

Hi Sandra, 
I bought mine from Portal de Archivos de Nueva España (https://panes.info/books). They are not cheap but can be really helpfull with certain last names, here is a list with the ones included https://panes.info/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Retonos-Index.pdf . 

Best regards

So, my understanding is that it's not so easy to acquire a complete set of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia anymore. Hopefully you're successful.

In the mean time, try locating a set at a nearby library (Worldcat).

Also, Retoños was first published about 15 years ago or so, and since then numerous researchers here on Nuestros Ranchos, on Ancestry, on FamilySearch and on Wikitree have documented many of the families that were written about by Mariano González-Leal and his collaborators. Consider posting your brick wall ancestors here, or your questions, and I am positive the amazing Nuestros Ranchos community will gladly lend a hand.

Lots of luck to you.

Sergio, muchas gracias por compartir tus hallazgos.

La ciudad de Utre en Génova es conocida hoy como Voltri (Vötri o Ütri en la lengua ligur).

• Voltri - Wikipedia (es)

If one is labeleled as español and the other mestizo, and they are labeled correctly, then they are most likely half - siblings   The probability is higher of finding first  a record naming the parents of Nicolasa Vásquez (d. bef1735) - Espanola,    And then use his parents as a focal point to find his half siblings Melchora de los Reyes parents 

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Dispensa for Marcos de Espitia and Anastasia de Quesada: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6X9P-5P

There is an earlier NR thread about this family. Some of the information is dated and has been proven incorrect, but there's some interesting info about Maria Rubio's possible origins: https://nuestrosranchos.org/node/22015

According to one of the contributors, Pedro Hernandez cc Maria Rubio were among the founders of Lagos de Moreno. This might help support that: on 3 Feb 1569, a Pedro Hernandez was granted a titulo y merced de un sitio de estancia para ganado mayor and a caballeria de tierra in the jurisdiction of Lagos. I don’t know if it’s the same man: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-J7ND-X?view=explo…

You might already have this, their son, Lic. Cristobal Gutierrez, founded a capellania in July 1621: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DGJH-Y?i=259&wc=3JWY-T…

It includes the distribution of the estate of Pedro Hernandez to his heirs, naming the entire family group, including spouses of those already married (Catalina Rubio cc Luis Lopez

Gracias por la respuesta, es una verdadera pena que el censo ya no esté disponible porque era una herramienta extraordinaria para iniciar investigaciones genealógicas.

It's not just the 1930 census. Images of civil and parochial records from about the 1920s and later are also not available. I don't know why, but I suspect it's very likely related to privacy protection legislation that passed in Mexico earlier this year.

• Ley Federal de Protección de Datos Personales en Posesión de los Particulares
• Ley General de Protección de Datos Personales en Posesión de Sujetos Obligados

Toribio Hernández de Arellano constitutes a sizable portion of our family's ancestry as we descend from 3 of his daughters (through multiple lines, and probably a 4th daughter as well, just not conclusively proven, yet). So I'm extremely grateful to you, Erik, for providing this information about Toribio and his ancestry.

Best regards,

Travis

Saludos Erik Andres Reynoso, 

I’m curious as to whether you were able to compare the Toribio Hernandez signature on:

(bottom right): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GH-8?i=422&cat=…

With the signature that you have from the Torbio Hernandez de Arellano from Salamanca, son of “Sebastián Hernández (arrendador), and Águeda Sánchez”.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci

Another wonderful analysis, Erik Andrés, thank you for sharing. I recall you sharing this information in your forum, and I followed it closely, since this family is also among my ancestors. I’ve also followed your posts regarding this family, Rick, thanks again!

If you don’t already have the signature of Toribio Hernández with which you can make comparisons, in a land & water document dated 26 Sep 1590, in Villa de los Lagos, one of the witnesses presented was Toribio Hernández, and he left his signature and gave his age as “mas de cincuenta años” (bottom right): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GH-8?i=422&cat=…

He was also presented as a witness on 4 Apr 1570 in Lagos, in the proceso del Santo Oficio contra Pedro Nuñez; at the time, he held the office of regidor and he gave his age as “mas de 40 años”; unfortunately, these files are currently restricted: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-QQN1-2?i=41&cat=3…

Thank

Saludos Erik,

Here is a description given at the website of the sword:

“Se sabe que Sebastián Hernández “el Viejo”, labró en Toledo a finales del siglo XVI, según se desprende de los inventarios del príncipe D. Carlos, hijo del rey Felipe II.

Según la lista de Palomares, seguía viviendo en 1637. Curioso pomo muy similar al nº 47 del libro de Norman y que fue utilizado entre 1545 y 1640.

• GUARNICIÓN: de lazo de hierro dorado. Tiene siete guardas y dos patillas al recazo. Los gavilanes son planos, calados y vueltos en sentido contrario, con un escusón de pico en el centro. También plano y con el mismo calado, es el aro o guarda que llega hasta el pomo. Puño de madera ahusado y alambrado con una pequeña virola en la parte superior. Recazo con vaciado para el pulgar. El pomo es cónico, con dos resaltes macizos y otros dos planos y calados. Luce perilla con cuatro lados.
• HOJA: recta. En el tercio fuerte, tres canales con la inscripción repetida de la marca de Hernández “el viejo” y el resto a dos

Saludos Erik,

Thank you for sharing your information on Toribio Hernandez Arellano.   As I continued researching the Toribio Hernandez Arellano from the Golluf family, the cloud over that research has been not ever finding the definitive piece of evidence that they were the same people.  Though I thought that it was a only a possible match I continued researching the Golluf/Sanchez family and adding information on their genealogy. 

Thanks again for sharing these findings, 

Rick A Ricci

Hola Rick y Edward, igualmente un saludo a todos los que pudieran leer éste mensaje que creo necesario hacerlo público en éste post

Advierto que puedo extenderme un poco al respecto pero considero que le será útil a cualquier descendiente o estudioso del tema ya que he analizado el traslado de la ejecutoria de hidalguía litigada por los hermanos García López Osorio, Bernardino Osorio y Cristóbal Díaz Narices hijos de Martín Álvarez Osorio y Mariana López Narices.

La primer palabra que puedo utilizar para describir dicho documento es "sospechoso" y ahora les haré una lista de los testigos y los puntos clave que me han generado cierta incomodidad al leer el documento, sensación que me atrevo a pensar que sentía el acusador Francisco de Vargas al conocer la sentencia favorable a dichos hermanos.

También les compartiré un pequeño resumen con más dudas que surgen antes de que cualquier otra persona en éste u otro espacio de encuentro genealógico simplemente tache el documento de falso y la

Saludos Leo,

Un Dia en el futuro nos vemos en Mexico.  Gracias por compartir tu informacíon.   

Saludos Edward,

Unfortunately something came up and I won’t be able to be in the San Fernando Valley on Monday after all.   I am looking forward to meeting you soon.  

Gracias,

Rick A. Ricci

Apenas he leido una parte del principio y ya puedo compartirles algo curioso, Bernardino Osorio solicita el traslado de la ejecutoria para pasar a la Nueva España en 1561 y la original se quedará con su hermano mayor en Sevilla.

en el estudio Martín López, Carpintero de Ribera por Guillermo Porras Muñoz se encuentra el traslado de una Real Provisión dirigida a Martín López Osorio en la cual se puede leer lo siguiente:

"Vuestra clara Genealojia pues desendeis de la esclaresida casa de Pedro Alvares Ossorio que por su lealtad murio malamente en tiempo de nro progenitor el Rey Don Pedro"

la Real Provisión está fechada en Madrid el 10 de noviembre de 1551 diez años antes de la petición de Bernardino Osorio, es interesante pensar cuando fue que Martín igualmente levantó algúna información genealógica antes de que su primo llegara con una copia de la ejecutoria de sus padres desde Sevilla.

Edward te agradezco enormemente haber compartido ese maravilloso documento, me gustaría poder encontrarme personalmente con los dos e igualmente discutir abiertamente el tema y lamento no poder hacerlo. pero me dedicaré a leer ciudadosamente todo el manuscrito y les compartiré por privado mis concluciones una vez revisado. igualmente Rick agradezco tu incansable actividad e interes en éstos temas esperando algún día podamos conectar las dos generaciones que no quedan claras.

Saludos.

Saludos Leo y Edward,

Leo tiene razon en gue hay otra generacion. Dos documentos hacen La linea mas larga.  

Si descendemos de lo Lopez Osorio como tiene el documento que tiene Edward pero hay una generacion mas en la cadena a los Cornejo.   Despues lo mando.   
 

Gracias Leo y Edward,
Rick A. Ricci

Muchisimas gracias Edward y Leonardo por compartir esta informacíon. Yo creo que necesito ir al Smithsonian para buscar por el libro que tiene el arbol familia hasta lo Osorio y que  alamejor puede contestar las preguntas que tiene Leonardo. 

Rick

Descent from Alonso Cornejo 1 & Ines Ramirez de Cantillana to my cousin Maggie Hunter.

Línea-Primera:

14.)- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

13.)- Alonso Cornejo II cc. Francisca Rodríguez (Acosta o Serrano)

12.)-  Micaela Ramírez-Cornejo cc. José Vallejo Osorio Gordívar

11.)-  Francisco Vallejo y Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Gabriela María Martínez de Alcaraz

10.)- Blas Jerónimo Vallejo cc. Antonia de Lomelín

9.)- María Gertrudis Vallejo Lomelin cc. Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla

8.)- Maria Bernardina de Jesus Padilla + Jose Maria Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza Suazo de Carmona

7.)- Eulogia de San Rafael Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Juan Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

6.)- Maria del Refugio Gomez y Gomez + Gregorio Perez De La Torre

5.)- Maria S de R Perez Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Nicolas Ramirez y Gomez

4.)- Juana Ramirez + Jose Prospero Perez Franco

3.)- Maria del Carmen Perez Ramirez + Jose Hermenegildo Romo Franco "don Mere"

2.)- Maria Luisa Romo Perez + Jorge Ávalos

1.)- Margarita

Saludos y Muchisimas gracias Leo,

Todavia no reviso toda las lineas, pero tienes a “Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla”  como Anastacio de La Mota Padilla.    Jose Remigio Anastasio de la Mota Padilla Es su nombre completo.

Y un analysis de “DNA” (ADN) nos dice que Antonia Lomelin es India o mestiza porque La linea materna es india. Descendencia de Antonia Lomelin a mi madre son mujeres.

Rick A. Ricci

Hola Rick y Edward, lamento no haber comentado antes, me he tardado meses en revisar y rectificar toda la información 

genealógica que poseo, te explico rapidamente nuestros ancestros Cornejo en común Rick.

Línea-Primera:

01- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

02- Alonso Cornejo II cc. Francisca Rodríguez (Acosta o Serrano)

03- Micaela Ramírez-Cornejo cc. José Vallejo Osorio Gordívar

04- Francisco Vallejo y Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Gabriela María Martínez de Alcaraz

05- Blas Jerónimo Vallejo cc. Antonia de Lomelín

06- María Gertrudis Vallejo cc. Anastasio de la Mota Padilla

Línea-Segunda:

01- Alonso Cornejo I cc. Inés Ramírez de Cantillana

02- Nicolás Cornejo cc. ---- (Aún ignoro el nombre de su esposa)

03- Rosa Ramírez-Cornejo cc. Miguel García del Castillo

04- Bartolomé García del Castillo cc. Ana de Herrera

05- Manuela Victoria García del Castillo cc. Felipe Macedonio de la Mota Padilla

06- Anastasio de la Mota Padilla cc. María Gertrudis Vallejo

yo desciendo de Luis Padilla hijo de

What happened to Leonardo’s comments that had been posted in this thread?   I would like to study the documents regarding the common ancestors that I share with him that descend from Alonso Cornejo.   

Que paso con los comentarios de Leonardo?  Leonardo y yo somos primos lejanos y el encontro unos documentos que enseňan descendencia de dos hijos de Alonso Cornejo.   Yo quiero estudiar esos documentos.

Thank you Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Edward y Leo,

Muchas gracias por la informacíon.   Ahora si hay documento conectando Nicolas Cornejo con su padre Alonso Cornejo.   

Tambien les quiero avisar que Mayor Velasco Tambien desciende de Osorio y Que Ella y Su esposo son primos lejanos.  

Tambien Diego Temino de Velasco es primo lejano de Mayor Velasco por lo Velasco.

Rick A Ricci

Saludos Edward,

Subject:  Mayor de Velasco

So according to what you posted, Mayor Velasco is the mother of Garcia Alvarez Osorio.  And we know from the lawsuit over the taxes on the inherited property from their father that Garcia Alonso Osorio and Martin Alvarez Osorio are full brothers sharing the same inheritance and same parents.  You also posted her parents as Pedro de Velasco, I Conde de Haro, and Maria Garcia de Sarmiento.   I already had Mayor’s parents as ancestors as her brother is my ancestor through my Padilla ancestry.

This Alvaro Perez de Osorio was a lord over the many regions, and  “La Rioja” was one of them. So may explain the Rioja/Riojano surname.   

Great work Edward,

Thank you,

Rick A. Ricci

Merging the two Pedro [  (18.)-  Pedro Alvarez de Osorio] has stayed on my mind.    I don’t feel comfortable merging the two.   I think more research needs to be done. From the nobilario and other records we do have lots of information, but I feel more research needs to be done before merging these two Pedro Alvarez Osorios.

We do know that Martin Alvarez Osorio and Garcia Alvarez Osorio are brothers and we know their fathers name, Alvaro Perez Osorio, grandfathers  name, Pedro Alvarez Osorio, and great grandfather’s name, Juan Alvarez Osorio; But the question that hovers over the whole situation is the names of the mother and grandmother.    I think we should look up more records to make sure we are making the right decisions as to their names 

Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

I have the coat of arms of Martin Lopez Osorio.  The document even has an image of it     It is beautiful.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/17938?nm

I also want to point out that more research is needed.    (Alvaro had children with his wife.  Right now I can’t confirm if we descend from her. More research is needed.)

Rick A. Ricci

1.)- Edward Rojano

2.)- Rojano

3.)- Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4.)- Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5.)- Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6.)- José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7.)- José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8.)- José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9.)- José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10.)- Salvador Cornejo

Saludos Edward y Leonardo,

I wondered why the Riojano/Rojano (variation of De Rojas/de Riojas) would continue popping up with the surname Cornejo and not Osorio.     But now there is an answer to that.  This de Riojas/Rojas ancestry has a connection to the royal family.  The line descends from King Fernando III de Castilla aka “El Santo Rey”. They were as much nobility as the Osorio, if not higher. I’m at work on my dinner break   Tomorrow I will post an ancestral line to King Fernando III El Santo .

And as to dropping parts of the last name.   One of my lines is Alvarez Tostado but in the 1800’s we dropped the Tostado.  My father in laws grandfather was Alvarez Tostado but he dropped the Alvarez from the name and my father in laws surname was Tostado.  My Martin del Campo dropped the del Campo in the 1800’s and my mother in laws Martin del Campo ancestorschanged their surname to just Campos.

Rick A. Ricci 

1. Edward

2. Father (living)

3.Pedro Rojano Parra: born 18 October 1921, San Juan de Amula, Jalisco; died 10 October 2024 in Oceanside, CA.

4. Margarito Rojano Castillo: born 10 June 1888 El Límon, Jalisco; died 21 July 1934 in San Juan de Amula, El Límon, Jalisco.

5. Juan Cornejo Garcia  (also known as Juan Rojano Garcia): born 26 November 1847 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 27 April 1900 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

6. José Remigio Cornejo Tostado (also known as Remigio Rojano): born 30 September 1824 in Coca, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 17 November 1892 in Ejutla, Jalisco.

7. José Ramón Nonato Cornejo Franco (also known as Ramon Rojano): born 1795 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

8. José Servando Cornejo Ramírez de Hermosillo: born 1755 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; deceased in 1833 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

9. José Fulgencio Cornejo Romo: born January 1730 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco; died 20 January 1793 in. Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

10. Salvador Cornejo Ramírez: born 1689 in

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,

After reading the nobilario, I had more questions in my mind that led me back to Leonardo’s and Edward’s questions regarding the Osorio ancestry, so I went back to my notes and did more research.   I had originally told Edward that I believed that the Rojano/Riojano surname came from a “de Rojas” ancestry in our Osorio line.  But when I went back to look at out ancestral line with Maria Fernandez de Villalobos as Pedro Alvarez de Osorio’s wife I couldn’t find the Rojas line.   Then Leonardo questioned the ancestry.  Those thoughts were lingering as a cloud as I read the nobilario.  So yes the line starts with Juan Alvarez Osorio and his wife Aldonza de Guzman, but the nobilario doesn’t mention the wives names of Pedro Alvarez Osorio and Alvar Perez Osorio.   So I did more research which is hard on this family because there were so many Rodrigo, Alvaro, and Pedro Osorios in the family.  And it turns out that I needed to merge some of the Pedro Alvarez Osorios

Saludos Edward,

Creo Que su nombre es Vicente

Juan Cornejo and Josepha del Castillo are the parents of Francisca Cornejo del Castillo married to Nicolas Acosta on March 30, 1664 at Asuncion, Mexico, Districto Federal.  They are the parents of Gertrudis Cornejo de  Acosta baptized on June 27, 1663 in Centro, Distrito Federal, México.      Are they related to Francisca Acosta and Alonso Cornejo?


Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Leonardo y Edward,

Muchas Garcia’s por compartir sobre esta familia.    Maria Fernandez de Villalobos era pariente de su esposo. Ella tambien descendia de La familia Osorio. Lo de Villalobos viene de Maria Fernandez de Villalobos y no de Pedro Alvarez de Osorio.  El rey hizo a su hijo Señor de Villalobos en gratitud de servicio al rey de su padre. 

17.)- Maria Fernandez de Villalobos (aka Maria Rodriguez de Villalobos) casó con Pedro Alvarez de Osorio

18.)- Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos  (aka Fernando Rodriguez de Villalobos)   (-killed in battle Araviana 22 Sep 1359)

19.)-  Lope Ruiz de Villalobos casó con Berenguela Perez de Castaneda

20.)- Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De Haro

21.)- Teresa Fernandez (Osorio)  & Gil Manrique de Manzanedo (b. 1168)

22.)- Fernando Gonzalez de Villalobos ( d. 1218)& his wife Elvira Pelaez

23.)-  Osorio González Señor de Villalobos (also known as Gonzalo Osórez) born approx 1130 ; died 30 May 1138.

24.)- El Conde Osorio Martínez: born approx 1108 in

Saludos Edward,

I saw that someone had already added the Osorio lineage to the Cornejo line on familysearch.  I haven’t checked it all out yet but I did find one common mistake.  Many genealogists have mistaken two cousins with the same name and the same title.    I am sending you an explanation of the mistake and the right lineage.   

Giron to Fernandez de Villalobos

I. Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (b. 1160) de Fernando III recibe el señorío de Autillo en 1221. Casó con Sancha Rodríguez

II. Gonzalo González Girón, canciller mayor de Fernando III. Casó con Teresa Arias Quesada, hija de Arias González de Quesada y de María Froilaz.

III. Berenguela González Girón, señora de Autillo, quien casó con Lope Ruiz de Haro, el chico, II señor de La Guardia y de Bailén, hijo de Lope Díaz de Haro III, señor de Vizcaya y de Urraca de León.

IV. María Díaz de Haro, señora de Autillo, casó con Ruy Gil de Villalobos, señor de Villalobos.

[Aquí es donde seguimos dos líneas. Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De

I am also interested in this family. I have been stuck for years trying to find primary source information on the parents of Antonio Ramirez Cornejo Riojiano, who was married to Maria Jimenez Hurtado Mendoza

who before me lent the necessary consent

(Who gave me the necessary consent)