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Andrés de ARAIZA

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Hola, everyone:

My name is Rian and I am currently researching my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA. I believe he was born around 1635 and he married Micaela de YSASI/ISASSI around 1655. Their children are: Catalina de ARAIZA (1658-?) and Antonio de ARAIZA (1661-?), both of whom were born in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. Andrés de ARAIZA died 4 Jul 1662 in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. 

This WikiTree* says that Andrés de ARAIZA's parents were Juan de ARAIZA y MEDINA and María de las Islas, however I have not found any sources that support this.

*WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Araiza-16

Has anyone come across my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA, in their research and knows how he fits into the picture?

Siempre agradecido,

Rian R.

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Wed, 2025-06-25 09:15 | Permalink

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The records that provide this information on Andres’s parents is found in the marriage dispensations:


Dispensa matrimonial de su hija Catalina con Antonio Orozco, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 26. 3 de junio de 1682

  • Dispensa matrimonial de su hija Catalina con José de Meza y Cervantes, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 579. 11 de septiembre de 1697
  • Dispensa matrimonial de su hijo Antonio, Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedientes de la série de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII. Mexico: M. Montejano Hilton, 1999, pg. 552. 12 de noviembre de 1699


  • I have a copy
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Hi, Rick - thank you so much for your reply!

Are those dispensas the same ones that mralvarez314 shared on this post? I read through those scans several times, but I did not see any reference to Andrés de ARAIZA's parents, or to Juan de ARAIZA y MEDINA and María de las Islas - did I miss something?

I do not have access to that book of dispensations by M. Montejano Hilton, can the book be accessed online?

¡Gracias!

New Member

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¡Saludos a todos!

I am very excited to be joining this group. I live in California, USA, and I trace my ancestry back to the early Mexican settlers who came to California between 1769 and 1848. I am currently investigating my family's lines in Ahualulco, Jalisco.

Some of the families I am researching are: VÁSQUEZ, GÓMEZ, CORONA, DE ARAIZA, CORTÉS, DE YSASI/ISSASI, TIZNADO, ALVARÉZ, "CASTELO," RODRÍGUEZ, PATRÓN, DE LEÓN, DE HARO, PACHECO, DEL VALLE, DE SOTO, DE ÁVILA, ESPINOSA, LUGO.

I look forward to collaborating with everyone!

Atentamente,

- Rian R. (https://nuestrosranchos.org/rian)

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Published by rian – Wed, 2025-11-12 18:15 | Permalink

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Hola, Rick,

He pasado mucho tiempo investigando la historia de los huérfanos Lorenzana. ¿Has leído “California’s Littlest Settlers: Journey to the End of the World” por Salomé Hernández? Se publica en línea aquí.

Soy un descendiente Lorenzana y igual mi familia es de Watsonville.

¡Saludos!

R.

Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2025-09-12 20:10 | Permalink

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Obispo Francisco Antonio Lorenzana dejo una herencia a los hijos de una señora(ita).   Despues dijeron que se Los hijos de dejo a unos huerfanos.  Deacendientes de el se vinieron a Watsonville y Ventura California.  Yo conozco un descendiente que vive en Camarillo 

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Hello,

Thank you for allowing me to join this group. I am looking forward to learning from everyone here. I've been lurking for awhile now as a visitor reading public posts and am impressed by the knowledge and research of the members here.

Even though I've researched my Texas and American ancestors for a few years I'm a novice with Mexican genealogy. I have many questions and maybe a bit of original research to contribute, also. 

I am researching families primarily in Jalisco and Guanajuato that are spread out like a wide curved paintbrush stroke from Aquascalientes southeast across Encarnación de Díaz and Lagos de Moreno through León and ending around Silao.

Surnames include (bold type indicates special interest): Gómez/Gómes, Tavares/Tabares, Pacheco, Carillo, Mena, Beloso/Veloso/Velas, Villegas, López de Lara, Padilla/Padilla de Ávila, Mezquita/Amesquita, Araisa/Araysa/Araiza, Quirós, Días/Díaz, Abrego, Sánches/Sánchez, Almaguer, Yañez, Ojeda, Hernández Ñagas, Saavedra, Mendoza, Santoy

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1669/1676/1808 Padrones de Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos

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A new member (NA, T) asked if anyone in the group has, or is working on this. Also whether it would be good information to upload to the website (Not my area of research but I'd say YES, please do):

I am working on a transcription of the 1669 padron of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos, with some genealogical notes on its individuals and family groups with some references to records (marriage, baptism and dispensas). I'm only on page 11 so far so it'll be awhile before I'm finished. Ultimately my intention is to cross-reference it with the 1676 padron. Also, I'm indexing the pueblos and ranchos in the 1808 padron (with brief notes on some ranches like chain of ownership, name changes, etc.). 

Joseph Puentes

ps: just in case if you all see any Puente/Puentes/De La Puente in any of those records or Diaz too please bring them to my attention.

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help with translation of another document

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Hi everyone, 

I'm trying to read another document from Francisco de Covarrubias, but I can't make out what the highlighted words say. Could someone take a look and let me know what the highlighted words say? I really appreciate it. 

 

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Francisco de Covarrubias (1.52 MB)

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Wed, 2025-06-18 18:39 | Permalink

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Great job, rvs, that’s how I read it, though there are a couple I see differently, tell me what you think:

4. q[ue h]ay
10. de+ella ya con la m[erce]d
13. al s[eñ]or o[bi]spo
14. no [h]ay otra cosa
15. aviso a v[uestra] m[erced]

Might #2 be “conste”? When I read through, neither really makes sense to me! ;)

For abbreviations, I find this website very helpful: https://www.iifilologicas.unam.mx/dicabenovo/index.php?page=inicio

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Published by rvs – Thu, 2025-06-26 09:30 | Permalink

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Thank you so much for your help and for sharing that tool, Manny Díez! I think that your proposals are more acurate than what I had preoviously shared. 
It will be really useful!

Best regards, 

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Published by rvs – Wed, 2025-06-18 11:01 | Permalink

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Hi @alexfanatico, I am no expert but it seems to me like some of the words are the following:
1. Probanza
2. Conoce
3. Juzgaran
4. ** can't understand this one
5. Cosa faltare
6. Ser cosa tan
7. Tan remotas
8. Ser sus padres
9. Le sobra
10. De ella, ya con la mal * not 100% sure of "mal" as the last word
11. Proveyó 
12. Avisado
13. Al Santo Oficio or Sr. Oficial * not 100% sure
14. Hay Dicha Cosa * not 100% sure of "hay" as the first word.
15. Aviso ahí
16. ** can't understand this one
17. Su mujer __ __ conserve. ** can't make out two or three words of this part.

I hope it may be useful!
Best regards,



 

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Rodrigo de Pinedo

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Estimados compañeros,

¿Alguno de ustedes tiene información que lleve a la localizaión del origen de Rodrigo de Pinedo, residente en Jerez y marido de Catalina Cid Caldera?

Agradeceré enormemente cualquier información al frespecto.

Un cordial saludo,

hfaizcorbe

 

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Jauregui from Nochistlan to Mexticacan

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In search of any Jauregui descendants that  originated in Nochistlan then carried over to Mexticacan & Cañadas Jalisco.  Ancestor Nicolas de Jauregui, from Los Yugos Cañadas, born around 1790, is who we are researching.  Married 1st wife, Petra Gomez. 2nd wife, Juana Yniguez. Searching for  maternal & paternal records for Nicolas Jauregui as his mother was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. He must have taken his mother's surname. 

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Thank you! Can you please tell me where this record is and what year?  We only knew of Nicolas other 2 wives, not Tomasa. The only record we've seen for Nicolas's mother Juana, was that she was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. I assume she was not married by church to Encarnacion Yniguez, therefore Nicolas was not given his father's surname? There were so many Jauregui's in that area. 

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Hello Karina,

Nicolas was the legitimate son of J Encarnacion Yniguez and Maria de San Juana Jauregui and was born circa 1827 according to his marriage dispensation to Tomasa dated:


2 de noviembre de 1846

  They are “ segundo con tercer grado” cousins. 
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684L-SMB7?lang=en

I attached their marriage dispensation to their familysearch tree.     https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJHR?view=index&cc=1874591&lang=en&groupId=


I attached the record to Tomasa Jauregui Gonzalez so check her source dated 1846


I am sorry that I didn’t respond sooner.

Your welcome,
Rick A. Ricci

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Ruiz Esparza names and titles in the 1500s

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When I cleaned up several generations on the Esparaza tree on Family Search to reflect the accurate relationships I was very careful to include the correct mother’s maiden name on each record which was especially important on generations with the same name, like Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa and Lope Ruíz de Esparza Diaz. However, the same Family Search user who had deleted the couple relationship mentioned on my previous post changed a number of the names, including some, but not all of the wives by adding long extensions like these: 

Lic. Lope Ruíz De Esparza Espinoza Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui 
Lic. Pedro Ruíz De Esparza Caparroso Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s son Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s father 
María de Larrasoaña Sra. Del Palacio de Zariquiegui – One of Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici’s wives (Not Lope’s mother)

This extended version of the name was obviously taken

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2025-09-05 11:05 | Permalink

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Hello Travis,

I took another look at Bartolome de Mesquita.  His wife Lucia Torres doesn’t show any Silva ancestry.  In looking for Bartolome de Mesquita’s ancestry. I would first search his name with a mother surnamed Silva.   Next I would replace the Mesquita with Silva and look for a Bartolome Silva.   Mesquita may be a location from where he was from and took it as a surname replacing Silva.  Amesquita is a variation of Mesquita so also search with that spelling.  

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

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Published by Travis – Tue, 2025-09-09 08:33 | Permalink

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Hello Rick,

Thank you for the info and tips. I'll implement them during my searches.

I agree that the Silba/Silva is probably on Bartolomé's side. I charted 2 possible families to which he may belong. One of these families is documented with Converso affiliations. 

Our Gómez line features 5% Sephardic DNA according to ancestry (tested by a very close relative) and Bartolomé Mesquita and Luisa de Torres are ancestors about 7 times over (our family is descended from them through multiple children, sometimes multiple times). So I've been concentrating on the aforementioned converso Mesquita/Amesquita group.

I hope progress can be made as this couple represents such a large part of our family history. 

Thanks again. 

Best,

Travis

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Fri, 2025-09-05 09:53 | Permalink

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I found the post that I wrote that I referenced but it focused on surnames changes according to location. Here it is:


“Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) - Mon, 2016-05-30 20:47 | Permalink

Change in surnames according to location given

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Someone asked me to explain the change in surnames in the Ochoa-Garibay pedigree.

If someone here in West Los Angeles asked where I live I would say Mar Vista. If I was in Northern California I would answer Los Angeles. if I was in another state, let's say a state clear across the country on the eastern coast, I would answer California. If I was in another country, I would answer the United States of America. This is how the surname sometimes changed from one generation to the next for Spaniards in the 15th and 16th centuries. The surnames didn't always change permanently. This was a naming pattern in these basque provinces. Some families kept their same surname even if they moved around. Some other families changed their surname often. In some

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Hello Rick,

Thank you for posting this comment. Your modern parallel using Mar Vista, LA and CA is excellent. It helped.

Yes, 17th century Colonial surnames are challenging for a novice like myself but much more preferable - from a genealogical perspective - over Anglo naming practices, where these valuable clues are lost after marriage! 

Connected story: using the 1669 Padron of Santa María de los Lagos, I charted out the family of Juan Días Toribio and Inés de Abrego. Most of their children assumed the surname Días, but some daughters opted to occasionally use "Abrego." 

For almost a year I assumed that the "Antonia Rodrígues," who lived on the same Hacienda was a worker or servant. She is listed among the servants further down the list from the family. Later, I discovered her serving as madrina in multiple baptisms alongside her father "Juan Días Toribio" as padrino. 

I learned a lesson. Never make assumptions based upon surnames in Colonial records.

This brings me to a surname question:

W

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Published by Travis – Sat, 2025-07-19 18:45 | Permalink

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Hi Dana, 

I'm going through a similar dilemma and settled on a similar solution. Thanks for your perspective. 

Everything is standardized today compared to the past so it's taken me a long time to get my mind around this. Even relatives who recently lived in Mexico don't understand naming customs from the colonial period.

Here's a question - not just for you - but for anyone who can answer: what about those with two completely different names?

Example: Ignacío (b c1630) son of Bartolomé de Mesquita and Luisa de Torres, was obviously named after someone, probably a relative, named Ignacío de Silva. So we have some records naming him Ignacío de Silva and others referring to him as Ignacío de Mesquita.

Thank you, 

Travis

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Ignacio was probably named after a grandparent or greatgrandparent that was surnamed Silva. I have even seen a surname skip even more generations.   I few years ago I wrote about surnames in a post about the Ochoa Garbay family surnames.   I will look for it and add it here.

Rick A. Ricci

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Ruiz Esparza ancestor relationships in the 1500s

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I have been doing major research online from home and my local Family History Center in an effort to ensure a more accurate ancestor tree on Family Search for the Ruiz de Esparza family that originated in the Pamplona, Spain area. I’m aware that back in 2016 there were discussions here about this family, but am sharing my experience in case there may be something new and also, in the hope someone here may be able to assist me with questions I’ve encountered. 

The most challenging issue, my main priority, was correcting the extra generation that resulted from the creation of a record for Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the son of Lope Ruiz Esparaza Espinosa b. 1510 and Maria Caparroso b. 1533. This record presented Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the husband of Anna Maria Díez de Eguino b. 1522 with their child Lope Ruiz de Esparza Diaz b. 1569 (who is the progenitor of the Ruiz de Esparza line in Aguascalientes, Mexico.) Obviously, the son could not have been born before the father and mother

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Address Help

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Hello, all!

I am hoping to get some help with the address in the following document, please.

page 242, record 5049.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ1-K36

record 5220.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ9-JN3

I can make out house 607.  It's the street name that I can't quite make out.  Calle 44 Hidalgo.

I'm hoping to locate the nearest parish to search for baptismal records for the children of Hilario Lopez and Angela Morales.

Thank you!

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Published by familias_bajio – Thu, 2025-07-17 12:48 | Permalink

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David,

Up until the 1980's - 1990's, Guadalajara was divided into four sectors named Hidalgo, Juárez, Libertad and Reforma. Guadalajara is currently divided into 7 zones. Similarly Calle 44 was probably renamed since I was not able to find it in the current map of Guadalajara.

Best regards,

Austin Pérez

 

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