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Rosalio Onate

I've been a Nuestros Ranchos member for about 18 years.  Any information on my great-grandfather Rosalio Onate b. about 1856 Villa Garcia, Zacatecas, his father Pablo Donate b. about 1824 Agostadero or Asientos, Aguas., and Bernabe Donate b. about 1800, also from Agostadero or Asientos, Aguas. would be greatly appreciated.  I've searched several years with no avail for definitive dates and places of birth.  Thank you all so much,  Alice B Blake  

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You didn’t give me much to go one as you didn’t provide wives names or why you came up with those dates.    
Many people use a mother’s surname or a grandparent’s surname instead of the father’s surname.

Here is a Bernabe Oñate that was born in 1808 :


Jose Antonio “Bernabe” Elizarraras Onate is the son of Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras and Maria Gertrudis De Onate.

Maria Gertrudis De Onate is the daughter on Jose Dionicio Oñate (Doñate) and Maria Estefania Ledesma.

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Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras Is the son of Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras and Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez.

Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Cruz.

Pedro Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Simona

Good luck in your research, 

Rick A. Ricci

Avila Huizar

Need help, can't find any info on my great grandfather or anyone before him.  I was told that my great grandfather Alfredo used his mother's maiden name Avila and Huizar - Paternal - Alfredo Avila Huizar from Jerez, Zacatecas. Anyone with info or where to look please do so.  I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Bracamontes came out in my search

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Go to https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKMP-TG6L

Look at the top left corner to look at the page number of the image  

Image 793

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998B-F9LV?view=index&action=view

And  then click twice on the arrow on the middle right to go to image 795    

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L98B-F9GN?view=index&action=view


Rick A.  Ricci

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Hi,

In your very first post, you asked for help/assistance of areas to look into.  All I have are suggestions, and a little extra info on the family from border crossing slide 795. 

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I have no known relationships to this Avila family, which is the family (listed on border crossing slide 795) that appears in the 1930 Chihuahua, Mexico census. This family does not appear to be directly related to your Alfredo born 1903, Jerez), but may be a relation of some type.  First, both Francisco and Josefa were both born in Zacatecas (coincidence?).   They were at this location by at least 1906, as all presumed children were born in Chihuahua. The name Alfredo Avila (born 1923), Chihuahua - coincidence?) may have been named in honor of a close family member, so even though this is not your direct family, it may be a branch relation or hint to follow up on.

1930 Mexico Census - Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico (Note: Both Francisco's were noted as Carpenters.  Not sure of your Alfredo's occupation

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Jose Huizar Bañuelos and Francisca de Avila are candidates as parents of Alfredo Avila Huizar.   They for the time frame but I have not found conclusive proof.   They wrote that Alfredo H. Avila crossed with his aunt but forgot to write her name.

Rick A. Ricci

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Rick,
That lead certainly looks promising.  I find Alfredo and family listed in Juarez, Chihuahua,  El Paso, Texas, Colfax County, New Mexico,
and as far north as Colorado in one record.  Various records indicate up to 10 children. No leads through these records, although I
know there are Catholic parishes not listed on familysearch that are located in El Paso, Texas. Perhaps more info can be found in one
of these El Paso parish records. My interest is with Angela Cueva's first marriage to Felipe Padilla, as I have a number of Padilla
connections through my grandson, who married into the Zermeno family.  I believe this Felipe Padilla may have actually died in
Juarez, Chihuahua in May 1927 (of tuberculosis); but the children of Felipe and Angela were all baptized in Tacambaro, Michoacan,
the last child baptized in 1925. Did Felipe Padilla move the entire family to Juarez, only to die in 1927? Perhaps this is him, although
the civil death record is sketchy, and does not mention Angela?  
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1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you. Macias is nowhere in my research. What border crossing? I found one but stated he was crossing with his wife Angela.

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It is in the same border crossing that you mentioned.   You only looked at the first card.  Look two images later and it says he crossed with his MO ( mother) Josepha Macias de Avila and then for nearest relative they list Josefa’s mother at the bottom 

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Yes it does have parental information on the back of the card.   The back of the crossing the border card that you are referring to.   The front of the card says is wife’s name and the back of the card says “Alfredo Avila”traveling with “Mo” which means mother, and “Josefa Macias de Avila.   Then for nearest relative or friend that they are traveling to it says “GrMo Feliciana Medina” who is Alfredo Avila’s maternal grandmother.   And for nearest relative that have where they are coming from it says Francisco Avila who is Alfredo Avila’s father.   It looks like Francisca but it should be a “o” at the end.   To see this back of the card go to that image that you have of the border crossing and then click the right arrow twice and it will take you to this back of the card .


Rick A. Ricci

Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango 1912

Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango Diario Oficial del Estado de Zacatecas 1912.

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Meaning of "coates"

Hello, I came across the word coate after a birth name. I'm not
sure if it is part of the name or a description. It is shown as
"Antonio coate mulato". I cannot tell if it is capitalized or not. Has
anyone come across this word in your research? I thought is
might be coyote, but mulato is listed right after.
Cynthia

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Could it be that Antonio is a cuate or mellizo (fraternal twin)?

If so, than a possible translation could be: "...Antonio, twin, mulatto..."

 

RUIZ DE ESPARZA EN SAN LUIS POTOSÍ

Has anyone else noticed that in San Luis Potosi, there was a man named Lope Ruiz de Esparza, living there as early as 7 June 1644? On that date, in the parish of Nra Sra de la Asuncion de Tlaxcalilla, he married Elena de la Cruz, who according to other records, lived in the home of Martin Navarro, on whose rancho and carbonera this couple would live for years, said to be his “criados.”

They had at least 4 children: 
1. Josepha Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1645, San Luis Potosi 
2. Domingo Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1646, San Luis Potosi 
3. Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, b. 08 Dec 1648, San Luis Potosi, m. Francisco Delgadillo aka Juan Delgado, 7 Jan 1664, San Luis Potosi 
4. Pedro Ruiz de Esparza Cruz, b. 27 Aug 1651, Aguascalientes, m. Juana Prieto Gallardo, 20 Oct 1671, San Luis Potosi.

Around August 1676, Elena de la Cruz died, and on 8 Feb 1678, in San Francisco de Pozos SLP, Lope Ruiz married his second wife, Elena de Acosta y Gogorron.

They had at least three children: 
1. Maria de Esparza Acosta, b. 24

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Happy New Year to all!  Thank you, Manny, for once again and again and again giving us all something interesting to read, to think about and hopefully find more leads to answer the questions we have.  I haven't read any of the links so don't know how Criado was used whether servant or was raised by Martin Navarro.  Come the new year, I will definitely read!  

Saludos, Primo

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Manny,

You must remember that criado did not mean servant back then.    Criado meant that you served under someone with a higher position.   You could have a high position and still be called criado because you had a boss.  

Testamento de Francisco Rodríguez Ponce; indexing Protocolos

Dear Members,

I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara.  I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile.  I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660.  I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription.  It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists!  Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details.  It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to  how people are related that are not even in his direct line.  He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living.  Finally, he was extremely  rich.  He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo

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Dear Members,

As I mentioned before, I find it fascinating how much Francisco Rodríguez Ponce focused on how everyone was related, even when as far as we can tell they were not HIS relatives.

He names his father, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce (?-1643) and his mother Francisca de Rentería y Velasco (?-1661), as well as his paternal grandfather, Alonso Rodríguez Ponce (?-?).  He also names his wife, Juana de Avalos y Bocanegra, and his in-laws, Diego de Bocanegra y Cervantes (?-), and the powerful and well-known María Verdugo y Avalos (?-before 1660).  He finally mentions his six children, whom he names specifically, María Verdugo y Ponce, Juana de Avalos, Diego de Bocanegra, Joseph Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, Francisca Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, and Angela de Velasco. They are obviously named for several grandparents or great-grandparents of the same name. 

He also names his uncle Miguel de Rentería Muxica, and his two sisters Catalina de Rentería y Ponce (married to Pedro de Vidarte Pardo)

Help with translation "campo santo ventilado"

I've run across this phrase in a record of burials in Mexico and I've never seen it before. "Campo Santo" of course is graveyard. But what does "ventilado" mean in this context? See image below. The phrase occurs repeatedly in this set of records. Thanks to all.

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Who is this Francisca de la Ascencion?

If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is? 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…

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That’s an interesting clue.

On some records, Francisca de Islas, daughter of Juan de Islas Sandoval cc Juana de Rivera, and wife of Juan Lopez de Lizardi, was called Francisca de la Asencion (baptisms of sons Juan de Dios and Cayetano).

Good eye! Thanks for sharing!

Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

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Yes, it matches now with the 14 year old Domingo Mejia. I just dismissed him as a possible padrino because of his age and assumed it was more likely the ~40 year old Domingo Mejia. Thanks

Interesting Baptism Name

This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin. 

 

Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?

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I appreciate your explanation! I learned something new :)

-Laura